Spiritual Warfare

Is Social Media Ruining Relationships?

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35 minutes ago, Buck Edwards said:

Well you talked about breaking up and not about questioning things earlier. The boyfriend can question it and try to know her mindset and not judge her badly for her choices. That's called giving space and freedom. A loving boyfriend will never dump his girlfriend just because she is posting sexy photos, that's quite childish and immature. If my husband kept calling random women, I would definitely want to know what's it's about, but of course I won't break up with him. Relationships are built on mutual communication. So if a partner is not loving, not communicating his insecurities and not holding space for the other person's freedom, that's a huge red flag and the woman is kinda better off without him. If he is breaking up over such a thing, he needs to investigate his own feelings as to why he is so bothered by it to the point that he wants to break up. Breakup usually happen over big issues like cheating or serious lack of integrity or lying or something sinister, they don't happen because someone posted sexy pics.. Your ideas about women are quite outdated. They seem oppressive rather than helping men achieve security or stability. It's like you're playing on men's fears. Men who are matured understand their girlfriends well and also know when to establish boundaries and when to be assertive. You aren't preaching men security, in fact you are misleading men by preaching them insecurity. 

I’m pretty sure I said one should talk to their partner before breaking up. Secondly, I have provided you with plenty of good arguments for why it’s not normal for a girl to behave this way in a healthy relationship. Answer the question of why the girl’s love for her boyfriend isn’t enough. What is rooted in insecurity is why the girl chooses to engage in these foolish actions, and you still haven’t answered that question. Instead, you just say that I and many men are insecure without any valid reasons. We have plenty of good reasons for why we become insecure.

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1 hour ago, Buck Edwards said:

But guys post half nude Pics of themselves too showing their abs and much more. 

Don't even bother mentioning this. The clever mind will find all types of reasons why it's a different story. Men don't realize thyre the ones projecting their sexual beliefs unto women. They don't realize that for some women posting sexy pics is like posting a pic in a winter coat. To them it's just fucking posting a pic. Women have sexy bodies, they post a pic and that's it. If you didn't do an interview to ask her her reason for posting that pic, you're projecting and assuming. Period. Same goes for men

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56 minutes ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

This is for those of you in a relationship with a girl who seeks attention from other guys. Talk to your girlfriend and express that you don’t like her posting almost nude photos on Instagram or elsewhere. She should be asked to stop because you, as her boyfriend, should be enough for her.

If she continues to seek attention from male friends and shares revealing photos, it raises trust issues. If she were truly loyal, she wouldn’t share those photos with other guys.

If she doesn’t care about your feelings and insists on posting semi-nude photos, it may be time to consider breaking up. You deserve a partner who truly loves, respects, and is loyal to you.

Are you aware plenty of men love for their women to show off their bodies. YOU ARE PROJECTING YOUR BELIEFS UNTO THE WORKD ABOUT SEXY PICS ONLINE. I've had men make suggestions to me to do stuff I'm not comfortable with and they were respectful men who cared about me. They just didn't see anything wrong with it. They just thought I was beautiful and could do that stuff too. Plenty of high caliber men and men of means, social status, respectable men who love women, enjoy women and are well established some if them love it when their beautiful women show classy sexy pics of themselves online. I'm sure there are also men of these calibers who don't. I only mentioned those things to make the point that it's not disrespectful, low-life, dirty or abusive men etc that will encourage their women to do this because they donlt respect them, it's men of all categories. Usually it's secure men who have businesses to attend to, have an established life and are taking care of their women who don't give a shit about these issues. It's dusty men who are insecure and don't have much going for themselves who do and who wastes time and energy about this petty things in life.


 

 

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1 minute ago, Princess Arabia said:

Are you aware plenty of men love for their women to show off their bodies. YOU ARE PROJECTING YOUR BELIEFS UNTO THE WORKD ABOUT SEXY PICS ONLINE. I've had men make suggestions to me to do stuff I'm not comfortable with and they were respectful men who cared about me. They just didn't see anything wrong with it. They just thought I was beautiful and could do that stuff too. Plenty of high caliber men and men of means, social status, respectable men who love women, enjoy women and are well established some if them love it when their beautiful women show classy sexy pics of themselves online. I'm sure there are also men of these calibers who don't. I only mentioned those things to make the point that it's not disrespectful, low-life, dirty or abusive men etc that will encourage their women to do this because they donlt respect them, it's men of all categories. Usually it's secure men who have businesses to attend to, have an established life and are taking care of their women who don't give a shit about these issues. It's dusty men who are insecure and don't have much going for themselves who do and who wastes time and energy about this petty things in life.

Read all my comments, and you will get your answer. I’m not going to rewrite everything just for you to dismiss it later.


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4 minutes ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

Read all my comments, and you will get your answer. I’m not going to rewrite everything just for you to dismiss it later.

I've read enough to know you're telling people how to run their relationships as if they're not adult enough to do so. Also, you're assuming women are looking for validation and whatever else you're assuming. Some are, some are not. How will you know which ones are and also SO WHAT. It's just another way to do what you've also done at one time another in your life. SAUGHT VALIDATION. Who cares. I don't see them murdering people and doing mass shootings, go focus on how to stop those and leave people and their relationships that didn't ask you anything alone.

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1 minute ago, Princess Arabia said:

I've read enough to know you're telling people how to run their relationships as if they're not adult enough to do so. Also, you're assuming women are looking for validation and whatever else you're assuming. Some are, some are not. How will you know which ones are and also SO WHAT. It's just another way to do what you've also done at one time another in your life. SAUGHT VALIDATION. Who cares. I don't see them murdering people and doing mass shootings, go focus on how to stop those and leave people and their relationships that didn't ask you anything alone.

Why are you being so aggressive? All I’m saying is that there should be boundaries and trust in a relationship. Am I the villain for expressing that? I want healthy relationships for people because I have empathy and I’m not selfish. You are coming across as very selfish in the way you write. There is nothing wrong with caring about others.


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1 minute ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

Why are you being so aggressive? All I’m saying is that there should be boundaries and trust in a relationship. Am I the villain for expressing that? I want healthy relationships for people because I have empathy and I’m not selfish. You are coming across as very selfish in the way you write. There is nothing wrong with caring about others.

I'm through with that sly, cunning, fox of an ego there. I'm responding to the assumptions you're making about why women post pics online and assuming things. And giving unsolicited advice to men on how to read things and projecting your own boundaries and beliefs. Anyone reading ALL your comments, can tell what you've written here is not ALL you're doing.


 

 

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1 minute ago, Princess Arabia said:

I'm through with that sly, cunning, fox of an ego there. I'm responding to the assumptions you're making about why women post pics online and assuming things. And giving unsolicited advice to men on how to read things and projecting your own boundaries and beliefs. Anyone reading ALL your comments, can tell what you've written here is not ALL you're doing.

I have provided good reasons for why I am right, while you have been emotional and haven’t said anything to support your perspective. If you’re going to continue being frivolous, I ask that you stop writing to me. And no, everything I say comes from my own experiences.


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@Princess Arabia You only prove my points more when you get so upset. Answer why a woman should seek attention from others when her partner has already given her love and attention. You haven’t addressed that. You’ve just been evasive.


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Humans are by nature potentially incompatible with any phenomenon which come after industrial revolution.  


Nothing will prevent Willy.

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6 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

Humans are by nature potentially incompatible with any phenomenon which come after industrial revolution.  

It’s difficult, but not impossible.


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2 minutes ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

It’s difficult, but not impossible.

It's case by case 🤔


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30 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

It's case by case 🤔

Yes


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4 hours ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

I’m pretty sure I said one should talk to their partner before breaking up.

OK. 

4 hours ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

Secondly, I have provided you with plenty of good arguments for why it’s not normal for a girl to behave this way in a healthy relationship.

You have provided plenty of arguments for why you think it's not normal for a girl to behave this way in a healthy relationship. That's totally your beliefs and projection. Maybe others don't agree. Maybe women don't agree. And you can already see that multiple people disagreed with you on this thread. Need I say more? It can be safely said that it's a you problem since others seem to be fine with it. It's your belief and society doesn't revolve around your beliefs. 

4 hours ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

Answer the question of why the girl’s love for her boyfriend isn’t enough.

Again who says this except you? You're creating a hypothetical scenario for the girl. You aren't a spokesperson for that girl's feelings. What if she feels completely satisfied with her boyfriend and still does this. This is your assumption that it's not enough. Maybe she is happy and just enjoying her life. Why not? 

4 hours ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

What is rooted in insecurity is why the girl chooses to engage in these foolish actions, and you still haven’t answered that question.

These are foolish actions to you because you are a guy with a mindset who has possibly never been in a relationship from the nature of the posting and has absolutely no clue of female psychology but likes to dictate how women should behave so most of your so called plenty of arguments fall flat. 

Now I'll answer. Beauty is the most important value for women. A woman can do anything for beauty. Maybe not all women. But a lot of women value beauty even more than men. Either it's socially conditioned in us or it's biological. So a woman cares a lot about her beauty. Her beauty gives her confidence. She loves to flaunt it because she sees power in it, just like guys love to flaunt wealth, whether they are married or unmarried or have a girlfriend or not, guys love the idea of having more wealth and also boast about it. Similarly girls like to flaunt their beauty to the world. It's not about seeking validation or attention. She finds it very Empowering to show her beauty and sexuality to the world and she likes compliments on it. So she won't care if she is married or not or if she has a boyfriend she will still do what her core feminine is passionate about and it's her beauty and sexuality. Every woman likes to look beautiful and sexy. So any woman who looks beautiful will immediately capitalize on it just like men don't shy away from showing their wealth. Now you can sit there and rationalize it any which way you want, but people will do what gives them joy. A girl finds joy in showcasing her beauty. The fact that you hate it is your problem and not hers. The fact that you don't understand this about women also shows that you lack the fundamental understanding of female nature and psyche. The boyfriend probably knows that she likes doing this and that's why he doesn't bother about it. 

If you interfere with what a woman wants in the area of beauty and sexuality, she will most likely give a strong reaction to you because you are attacking her most valued passion, her core feminine instinct, then she will obviously feel attacked and controlled and will not tolerate it. She will fire back and leave the relationship. 

If I told my man to stop working and stop making money, he will be angry too. He will see it as interference and control with his core masculine instinct. He loves to be passionate about his work and making as much money as he can make. So he will think I'm a clingy girl. He will think of dumping me because he doesn't feel safe that his core masculine instinct is being interfered with. 

Similarly a woman won't take shit if you tell her to compromise on her core feminine instinct. It's a direct attack on her solidarity as a woman. Only a doormat will listen to her boyfriend and do what he says, probably the kind of relationship you are looking for from the nature of your sexist posting before.

You're only thinking about yourself and not caring about the woman's emotions. If you don't care about her instincts and feelings, then she has no reason to care about yours either. 

Our sexuality and our beauty belongs to us and not to any man. And what we do with it is entirely our business. It's outdated mindset to assume that a woman's beauty belongs to her boyfriend. No. It doesn't. And women will always do what women want as society evolves, whether you like it or not. Women will eventually settle for men who are evolved enough to understand their needs and mindset so the immature men have the catching up to do.. In old days women didn't have the freedom or the option to explore their beauty or sexuality so openly. So they couldn't do it, doesn't mean they didn't want it. But post the sexual revolution, women have finally landed the freedom and opportunities through technology to finally do what they always wanted to. And that's what they are doing. Not all women feel this desire but most women do. That's why the makeup industry is a giant billion dollar industry. Because women love beauty, clothing, makeup, Sexiness. Plenty of options for women to explore and indulge their feminine side. This is a woman's freedom, desire and empowerment. And if you feel threatened, insecure or oppressed by a woman's freedom and empowerment, then maybe you should never entertain the idea of dating women or find a woman who revolves her life around your fingers. 

4 hours ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

Instead, you just say that I and many men are insecure without any valid reasons. We have plenty of good reasons for why we become insecure.

Well let me break this to you. Women have been oppressed by men for millions of ages. Now we don't give a shit and we don't give a fuck. We have plenty of good reasons and technology to give us what we need and want. We can live alone, even without a man, it's a harsh truth. A woman can choose a cat over a man and a fat bank balance. Again times have evolved, feminism exists and will continue to exist, whether you like it or not, not our problem. Why should we care about your feelings when our feelings and instincts were hurt, oppressed and suppressed for millions of years. Might sound harsh right. But women are finally climbing out of the shell of male control and dominance and hedgemony, you don't have monopoly over our feelings anymore and probably some men are losing their grip on women and feel threatened by a woman's independence. Who cares. Your insecurity is your business, not ours. Like you said the guy should break up with her because she is not ready to listen to him. Well women listening to men is an antiquated idea. It's long gone. It was already well gone in 60s. You're probably still living in the 50s. And if the guy prioritises his own feelings and insecurities over her needs, who cares, why should she want such a man anyway. Also if she is beautiful, young and sexy, she has loads of options. Plenty of simps just waiting desperately to be her boyfriend. If her boyfriend leaves her for his silly insecurities, then she will find another guy in no time. You don't like all this. Well a woman doesn't like a man who doesn't care about her feelings either. 


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7 hours ago, Buck Edwards said:

OK. 

You have provided plenty of arguments for why you think it's not normal for a girl to behave this way in a healthy relationship. That's totally your beliefs and projection. Maybe others don't agree. Maybe women don't agree. And you can already see that multiple people disagreed with you on this thread. Need I say more? It can be safely said that it's a you problem since others seem to be fine with it. It's your belief and society doesn't revolve around your beliefs. 

Again who says this except you? You're creating a hypothetical scenario for the girl. You aren't a spokesperson for that girl's feelings. What if she feels completely satisfied with her boyfriend and still does this. This is your assumption that it's not enough. Maybe she is happy and just enjoying her life. Why not? 

These are foolish actions to you because you are a guy with a mindset who has possibly never been in a relationship from the nature of the posting and has absolutely no clue of female psychology but likes to dictate how women should behave so most of your so called plenty of arguments fall flat. 

Now I'll answer. Beauty is the most important value for women. A woman can do anything for beauty. Maybe not all women. But a lot of women value beauty even more than men. Either it's socially conditioned in us or it's biological. So a woman cares a lot about her beauty. Her beauty gives her confidence. She loves to flaunt it because she sees power in it, just like guys love to flaunt wealth, whether they are married or unmarried or have a girlfriend or not, guys love the idea of having more wealth and also boast about it. Similarly girls like to flaunt their beauty to the world. It's not about seeking validation or attention. She finds it very Empowering to show her beauty and sexuality to the world and she likes compliments on it. So she won't care if she is married or not or if she has a boyfriend she will still do what her core feminine is passionate about and it's her beauty and sexuality. Every woman likes to look beautiful and sexy. So any woman who looks beautiful will immediately capitalize on it just like men don't shy away from showing their wealth. Now you can sit there and rationalize it any which way you want, but people will do what gives them joy. A girl finds joy in showcasing her beauty. The fact that you hate it is your problem and not hers. The fact that you don't understand this about women also shows that you lack the fundamental understanding of female nature and psyche. The boyfriend probably knows that she likes doing this and that's why he doesn't bother about it. 

If you interfere with what a woman wants in the area of beauty and sexuality, she will most likely give a strong reaction to you because you are attacking her most valued passion, her core feminine instinct, then she will obviously feel attacked and controlled and will not tolerate it. She will fire back and leave the relationship. 

If I told my man to stop working and stop making money, he will be angry too. He will see it as interference and control with his core masculine instinct. He loves to be passionate about his work and making as much money as he can make. So he will think I'm a clingy girl. He will think of dumping me because he doesn't feel safe that his core masculine instinct is being interfered with. 

Similarly a woman won't take shit if you tell her to compromise on her core feminine instinct. It's a direct attack on her solidarity as a woman. Only a doormat will listen to her boyfriend and do what he says, probably the kind of relationship you are looking for from the nature of your sexist posting before.

You're only thinking about yourself and not caring about the woman's emotions. If you don't care about her instincts and feelings, then she has no reason to care about yours either. 

Our sexuality and our beauty belongs to us and not to any man. And what we do with it is entirely our business. It's outdated mindset to assume that a woman's beauty belongs to her boyfriend. No. It doesn't. And women will always do what women want as society evolves, whether you like it or not. Women will eventually settle for men who are evolved enough to understand their needs and mindset so the immature men have the catching up to do.. In old days women didn't have the freedom or the option to explore their beauty or sexuality so openly. So they couldn't do it, doesn't mean they didn't want it. But post the sexual revolution, women have finally landed the freedom and opportunities through technology to finally do what they always wanted to. And that's what they are doing. Not all women feel this desire but most women do. That's why the makeup industry is a giant billion dollar industry. Because women love beauty, clothing, makeup, Sexiness. Plenty of options for women to explore and indulge their feminine side. This is a woman's freedom, desire and empowerment. And if you feel threatened, insecure or oppressed by a woman's freedom and empowerment, then maybe you should never entertain the idea of dating women or find a woman who revolves her life around your fingers. 

Well let me break this to you. Women have been oppressed by men for millions of ages. Now we don't give a shit and we don't give a fuck. We have plenty of good reasons and technology to give us what we need and want. We can live alone, even without a man, it's a harsh truth. A woman can choose a cat over a man and a fat bank balance. Again times have evolved, feminism exists and will continue to exist, whether you like it or not, not our problem. Why should we care about your feelings when our feelings and instincts were hurt, oppressed and suppressed for millions of years. Might sound harsh right. But women are finally climbing out of the shell of male control and dominance and hedgemony, you don't have monopoly over our feelings anymore and probably some men are losing their grip on women and feel threatened by a woman's independence. Who cares. Your insecurity is your business, not ours. Like you said the guy should break up with her because she is not ready to listen to him. Well women listening to men is an antiquated idea. It's long gone. It was already well gone in 60s. You're probably still living in the 50s. And if the guy prioritises his own feelings and insecurities over her needs, who cares, why should she want such a man anyway. Also if she is beautiful, young and sexy, she has loads of options. Plenty of simps just waiting desperately to be her boyfriend. If her boyfriend leaves her for his silly insecurities, then she will find another guy in no time. You don't like all this. Well a woman doesn't like a man who doesn't care about her feelings either. 

Once again, you’re not answering my question. You say, “what if the woman is happy but does it anyway?” Do you see how the logic breaks down there? If you’re truly happy, you wouldn’t seek attention from others. I never said I don’t care about women’s feelings. I want structure, and there’s nothing wrong with that. So stop making things up to make me look bad. It’s obvious that you don’t really know what you’re talking about. Everything you’re saying comes from your own experiences, and you’re trying to take your anger out on me. Get a grip. I respect women, but I want a loyal woman. You’re encouraging insecurity because that’s what you’ve been taught. Learn to see things from other people’s perspectives, or stay quiet. Unfortunately, you’re just writing nonsense.


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@Buck Edwards 

And stop saying that I don’t understand women, I understand them very well. Just because women are different from men in many ways doesn’t mean they can behave however they want. I know they love beauty, anyone can understand that. You don’t have to be an expert to get it! Everything you’re saying about women is obvious to anyone, but when you’re in a relationship, there need to be boundaries, and there shouldn’t be any excuses for why a woman has to do this. A woman doesn’t have to do anything, just like a man doesn’t.

You’re upset because you recognize yourself in this situation, doing the same thing while you’re in a relationship. Get it together and stop playing the victim.


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58 minutes ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

Once again, you’re not answering my question. You say, “what if the woman is happy but does it anyway?” Do you see how the logic breaks down there? If you’re truly happy, you wouldn’t seek attention from others. I never said I don’t care about women’s feelings. I want structure, and there’s nothing wrong with that. So stop making things up to make me look bad. It’s obvious that you don’t really know what you’re talking about. Everything you’re saying comes from your own experiences, and you’re trying to take your anger out on me. Get a grip. I respect women, but I want a loyal woman. You’re encouraging insecurity because that’s what you’ve been taught. Learn to see things from other people’s perspectives, or stay quiet. Unfortunately, you’re just writing nonsense.

Yes it seems nonsense to you because unfortunately you don't understand women's mindset. You are thinking from a very selfish pov. But you can find a doormat kind of a girl if that's what you mean by a loyal girl. Also this is another woman whose Instagram you're creeping on. Why does it bother you what she is doing. Shouldn't it be her boyfriend's business and not yours? She is not asking your attention at least. I mean she isn't knocking on your door and asking for your attention. It seems like you are the one overly interested in her affairs. You can of course choose not to see those pics. That tells me maybe it's you who wants her attention rather than the other way around. I mean it's not like you didn't start sexist threads before. 

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3 minutes ago, Buck Edwards said:

Yes it seems nonsense to you because unfortunately you don't understand women's mindset. You are thinking from a very selfish pov. But you can find a doormat kind of a girl if that's what you mean by a loyal girl. Also this is another woman whose Instagram you're creeping on. Why does it bother you what she is doing. Shouldn't it be her boyfriend's business and not yours? She is not asking your attention at least. I mean she isn't knocking on your door and asking for your attention. It seems like you are the one overly interested in her affairs. You can of course choose not to see those pics. That tells me maybe it's you who wants her attention rather than the other way around. I mean it's not like you didn't start sexist threads before. 

The previous post was more of a joke, but biologically speaking, it’s true that traditionally women have been associated with cooking and men with working. Once again, you claim that I don’t understand how women think, but you fail to provide any arguments to back that up. Stop embarrassing yourself and give some real arguments that support your claims.


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Just now, Spiritual Warfare said:

The previous post was more of a joke, but biologically speaking, it’s true that traditionally women have been associated with cooking and men with working. Once again, you claim that I don’t understand how women think, but you fail to provide any arguments to back that up. Stop embarrassing yourself and give some real arguments that support your claims.

Like you I won't engage in personal attacks. If you don't respect what women do that's a you problem. Well I'm glad that there are men out there who don't share this mindset and adore their women. Women need that kind of men. And with society rapidly evolving men are catching up so whatever your pov is will eventually dissolve just like your thread of "women should know their place." lmfao. Have fun. Who cares. My last reply to you. 


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1 minute ago, Buck Edwards said:

Like you I won't engage in personal attacks. If you don't respect what women do that's a you problem. Well I'm glad that there are men out there who don't share this mindset and adore their women. Women need that kind of men. And with society rapidly evolving men are catching up so whatever your pov is will eventually dissolve just like your thread of "women should know their place." lmfao. Have fun. Who cares. My last reply to you. 

Stick to the topic. It’s interesting that you avoid having a real conversation and accuse me of making personal attacks, when that’s exactly what you’re doing. How is it my problem that I don’t respect certain actions women take? In a relationship, there must be boundaries, and you know this very well. By your logic, I shouldn’t care if my girlfriend sleeps around with other guys, that’s called cheating. You don’t have to respect everything a man or woman does.


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