Who will be the admin after Leo's death?

[Exystem]

I guess he doesn't believe in the existence of anyone else "living on" after he dies. In this case actually he could play the clever devil and sell the rights now (before his death, provided he doesn't get killed) in a lottery where each member can buy the money-equivalent probability to win the whole thing. Who else would bet a buck? XP

 

[Keryo Koffa]

11 minutes ago, Exystem said:

I guess he doesn't believe in the existence of anyone else "living on" after he dies. In this case actually he could play the clever devil and sell the rights now (before his death, provided he doesn't get killed) in a lottery where each member can buy the money-equivalent probability to win the whole thing. Who else would bet a buck? XP

His solipsism is confusing, sometimes it sounds relative, other times it's absolute, absolute makes sense regardless, but how relative is it additionally?

[Exystem]

4 minutes ago, Keryo Koffa said:

His solipsism is confusing, sometimes it sounds relative, other times it's absolute, absolute makes sense regardless, but how relative is it additionally?

To me it sounds quite relative, but from what I suspect since he's aware of infinite intelligence there's actually no real difference between "others having feelings of their own" and "everyone is a NPC" since you as infinite intelligence would know the feelings and perspectives anyways in the sense of experiencing/being them in some way or another.

And I guess he would not go in line with my (humoristic) shallow reasoning beforehand since the question of how far "karmic bonds between dreams reach" seems difficult to answer, if we accept the concept of karma in any way.

Glad Leo has high integrity and huge context awareness to not fall for relative-solipsistic lines of reasoning

[Exystem]

@Keryo Koffa

If I had to summarize my understanding of his view on solipsism in a non confusing way I would say:

"The experience to be you (a being called human + its environment called experiential bubble/world) actually takes as much imaginative power/intelligence/space as the experience to be the whole universe. Each experience happens only here&now, and at the same time there is no other here&now. The only apparent difference is the state of consciousness. Right here&now the state of consciousness imagined by infinite intelligence is that of "human experience" - so this is all there is. There is no objective reference point, there are no other things/beings outside of it to compare it to, it has no scale and you can imagine to zoom infinitely into every direction inwards & outwards. Infinity with no real center. Everything imagined "being apart from it" is an illusion, it's illusions/dreams all the way down, it's an infinite fractal/hologram consisting of nothing but illusions/dreams, a giant hallucination of nothing. In a way, the only game in town for you as infinite intelligence is to change your state of consciousness and therefore become more or less aware of your dreamlike nature."

I don't know if he would agree to this but that's how it sounds to me (although it was very briefly summarized, would take more nuance to put the whole view into words of course).

Does it sound like that to you or where would you disagree?

Edited October 15 by Exystem

[Something Funny]

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[Keryo Koffa]

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[Keryo Koffa]

23 minutes ago, Exystem said:

@Keryo Koffa

If I had to summarize my understanding of his view on solipsism in a non confusing way I would say:

"The experience to be you (a being called human + its environment called experiential bubble/world) actually takes as much imaginative power/intelligence/space as the experience to be the whole universe. Each experience happens only here&now, and at the same time there is no other here&now. The only apparent difference is the state of consciousness. Right here&now the state of consciousness imagined by infinite intelligence is that of "human experience" - so this is all there is. There is no objective reference point, there are no other things/beings outside of it to compare it to, it has no scale and you can imagine to zoom infinitely into every direction inwards & outwards. Infinity with no real center. Everything imagined "being apart from it" is an illusion, it's illusions/dreams all the way down, it's an infinite fractal/hologram consisting of nothing but illusions/dreams, a giant hallucination of nothing. In a way, the only game in town for you as infinite intelligence is to change your state of consciousness and therefore become more or less aware of your dreamlike nature."

I don't know if he would agree to this but that's how it sounds to me (although it was very briefly summarized, would take more nuance to put the whole view into words of course).

Does it sound like that to you or where would you disagree?

I would agree with much of what you've written. However, beyond that, I've heard Leo say many things that I don't readily agree with. It also sounds to me like he is implying that there is only one observer, the same observer at all times. And also, the way he often phrases it, it sounds like this observer is always the only perspective in existence. I clash with this view because there is a meta-awareness that materializes one's experience that one is not aware of, but Leo often says that there is literally nothing outside of direct experience. Yet there is my subconscious that filters patterns from my entire life, and there is the infinite space of possibility from which it all comes, and that I don't know how it does, but I have seen Leo say that reality just snaps itself together all the time, with no "behind the scenes" at all, I also see the universe as a fractally branching space of possibility that collapses potentials into actuality, and those potentials always exist as potential anyway, but Leo makes it sound like there is nothing you don't already know exists until it suddenly pops up. He also did this in his Infinite Gods video, and he described the experience as expanding into nuance and then "always being" as duality collapses. I'd make a distinction here, the CTMU is a good place to start, with the concept of "Boundless Telesis" (undivided infinity unaware of itself) and G.O.D. (God or Global Operator Descriptor) as the highest agent organizing itself out of this "Boundless Telesis" or "Infinity", consciousness is always changing and so would any being that can recognize itself through its own exploration or interaction.

Edited October 15 by Keryo Koffa

[Exystem]

31 minutes ago, Keryo Koffa said:

I clash with this view because there is a meta-awareness that materializes one's experience that one is not aware of, but Leo often says that there is literally nothing outside of direct experience.

Btw I love these kind of conversations, thanks man <3

31 minutes ago, Keryo Koffa said:

Yet there is my subconscious that filters patterns from my entire life, and there is the infinite space of possibility from which it all comes, and that I don't know how it does, but I have seen Leo say that reality just snaps itself together all the time, with no "behind the scenes" at all, I also see the universe as a fractally branching space of possibility that collapses potentials into actuality, and those potentials always exist as potential anyway, but Leo makes it sound like there is nothing you don't already know exists until it suddenly pops up.

Yeah the idea of "the unconscious" may just be another layer of deception. Like people who repeatedly report to dream in black&white actually report to dream in colour if asked instantly after waking up - this backwards rationalization/recontextualization/interpretation to fit the data into a coherent narrative may be the same principle at play here. Everything "pops into existence" and your mind just creates a consistent/logical story to justify it.

I think what Leo tried to point out is that every story you create about "how things come into existence/what the source is" is actually just another *popped*-concept, so the mind creates the next consistent narrative. Everything is *popped*, including the mind. This is the AUM, the infinite *pop*, the alpha and the omega, without beginning or end. The idea that there is linear chain of plops is just another *pop*, so every story of source or behind the scenes or unconscious - just *pop*.

31 minutes ago, Keryo Koffa said:

I'd make a distinction here, the CTMU is a good place to start, with the concept of "Boundless Telesis" (undivided infinity unaware of itself) and G.O.D. (God or Global Operator Descriptor) as the highest agent organizing itself out of this "Boundless Telesis" or "Infinity", consciousness is always changing and so would any being that can recognize itself through its own exploration or interaction.

Chris Langan goes into great detail about the mechanics of the plopping so to speak. I think it is one of the best ways to put the whole thing into words - a radical nondualist would say G.O.D as an entity is a construct, it's another illusion. I am not sure if Leo would state the opposite - unawareness of oneself is just a state of consciousness G.O.D. imagines. In a way both are two sides of the same coin, the absolute and the relative. But I intuit that I share the same headknots as you do at that point. I am still not sure about this myself.

[Alex_R]

Well maybe you can dream some other Guru that takes his place, maybe with some hair

[LSD-Rumi]

Could someone at least scrap this forum and provide us with a copy.