I don't believe in solipsism

[Some dude on the net]

@Javfly33 I'm sure you will be so blissful if you had a lobotomy. You took the thing's out of context. It is, you lose the consciousness of moving your legs, or feeling, or thinking. I'm not jack shit, I'm not special, I'm not smart, I just am. You don't know what your talking about, it's about being a functional human being in society and advancing humanity. And you can't be one if you are lobotomised, I see more that you know. 

[Javfly33]

3 minutes ago, Some dude on the net said:

@Javfly33 I'm sure you will be so blissful if you had a lobotomy. You took the thing's out of context. It is, you lose the consciousness of moving your legs, or feeling, or thinking. 

Your logic is deeply flawed, look:

If you have 2 legs and you lose 1 in an accident, yes, you lose the consciousness of one leg.

Now you have the consciousness of only 1 leg, would you say consciousness has been reduced to 50%?

No, is still the same. 

In the same way if we give you 5 xanax and 4 vodkas, your brain will be deeply affected, so what? Consciousness is still there, wheter with your mind clear and active or when you are almost close to pass out.

 

As you can see, you are confusing consciousness with brain stuff. Which is precisely why you are so convinced consciousness can only exist in the brain. 

Watch this two short clips please:

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxB5bm88_LjbrwK-0QkozQXU6Q9Vhj5K1K?si=q-MvsYDeJb3pA1xX

https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkxpg_qAuf1ZFghZSiE_M0DGv48ETlWl7bu?si=3C7OEaNUvyivauWU

 

[Some dude on the net]

@Javfly33 I'm listening to the greatest minds in history. Not to psychedelic junkies, when you go and have 200 trips in 2 years it's because your running from something in the real world. Here’s how Jean-Paul Sartre, Albert Einstein, and Carl Jung might reacted to Solipsism. 

 

Jean-Paul Sartre:

 

Sartre, as an existentialist, was not a solipsist. In his major work, "Being and Nothingness", he talks about "the Other" and how relationships with other people are essential for the development of the self. Sartre believes that we are aware of the existence of others, and our experiences are shaped by interactions with them, which contradicts Solipsism. Because people here who don't know basic psychology claim to be woke. You can have traumas before you were born. The anigdala starts to record emotions from the 5 month of pregnancy, if you mom was beaten or stressed all that cortisol fluids the fetus brain and he feels shock and terror, what the mother feels the baby feels. You could be born to perfect parents but still develope anxiety just for this reason. Because when you were born your body existed, but you Solipsistic view of the world did not. You didn't exist, but your Amigdala did. This is holistic healing. All the people going hardcore on 5 meo are Solipsists. Maybe because it lies to you. As I've said in a previous post, we create our egos in relationship with the surrounding environment in the first 2 years of life, not with a projection of your mind. Although Sartre emphasizes the radical freedom of the individual and personal responsibility, he does not deny external reality. Others are not mere projections of our minds, but represent an essential part of the human condition.

 

Albert Einstein:

 

Einstein, as a physicist, would have rejected solipsism from a scientific perspective. His theory of relativity and scientific discoveries are based on the hypothesis that there is an objective reality, accessible through scientific methods. He believed in an external world independent of our perception, governed by physical laws that can be understood through observation and experiment. For Einstein, solipsism was a limiting view, as it contradicts the fundamental principle of science, which requires testing hypotheses against a universe that is objective and shared by all observers.

 

Carl Jung:

 

Jung, a psychoanalyst and founder of analytical psychology, would have seen solipsism as a problematic idea, especially from the perspective of the collective. He developed the concept of the collective unconscious, which suggests that there are deep layers of the psyche shared by all people, with common archetypes and universal experiences. This contradicts solipsism, as Jung believed that the individual is not only connected to their own self but also to a shared psychic reality. While Jung emphasized introspection and inner development, he did not deny external reality and its influences on the human mind.

So relax with your 5369 trips per year. You're just getting lost in illusions. 

[What Am I]

@Some dude on the net do you think the concept of consciousness ultimately being singular comes only from people who use psychedelics?

Edited October 12 by What Am I

[Ulax]

@TruthFreedom But how do you know about what others say? You perceive it via your physical senses. You have never had an experience which is not generated by your mind. It has always only involved your 5 senses and your thinking mind.

You cannot use your mind experiences to prove that there is something other than mind.

[Yimpa]

6 minutes ago, What Am I said:

consciousness ultimately being singular comes only from people who use psychedelics?

5 minutes ago, Ulax said:

It has always only involved your 5 senses

 Me-5Only senses are tingling 

[Breakingthewall]

19 minutes ago, Ulax said:

@TruthFreedom But how do you know about what others say? You perceive it via your physical senses. You have never had an experience which is not generated by your mind. It has always only involved your 5 senses and your thinking mind.

You cannot use your mind experiences to prove that there is something other than mind.

If your mind generates a image is because there is something out of your field of consciousness, if everything were inside of your field of consciousness, your field of consciousness would be absolute, then without any definition, no diferenciation. To diferenciation exist must be things out of your field of consciousness. In an infinite reality is there is something out of your field of consciousness, are infinite things out of your field of consciousness, then infinite others out of your field of conciousness. Solipsism is so low, it's like the understanding of a kid. 

[Some dude on the net]

@What Am I Let me tell you something really, really deep. The reason my subconscious mind picked Leo 8 years ago was because he was presenting spirituality with the exact tipe of dogma as my caregivers did until I was 4. My subconscious mind felt the exact tipe of signature energy as my hard-core Christian grandma and it felt like home. Your subconscious mind is 100x smarted than your conscious mind. This is my Solipsism is nonsense. You subconscious mind penetrates reality a lot deeper than psychedelics. Psychedelics make you lost in your mind. In those 8 years I continuetly felt this energy from Leo. And my Spidey Sense was never wrong in 26 years. I feel people emotions better than them. I read the energys of people in 5 seconds. It's the gift of healed trauma. You are kind and neutral, so kodos to you! Definitely one of the more kind out here. When I see people fight to defend the ideology of Solipsism, I just see my Grandma trying to drill Christianity into my head when I was 2-3.

[Some dude on the net]

@Breakingthewall Exactly dude! 💯😎💯

[What Am I]

8 minutes ago, Some dude on the net said:

@What Am I Let me tell you something really, really deep. The reason my subconscious mind picked Leo 8 years ago was because he was presenting spirituality with the exact tipe of dogma as my caregivers did until I was 4. My subconscious mind felt the exact tipe of signature energy as my hard-core Christian grandma and it felt like home. Your subconscious mind is 100x smarted than your conscious mind. This is my Solipsism is nonsense. You subconscious mind penetrates reality a lot deeper than psychedelics. Psychedelics make you lost in your mind. In those 8 years I continuetly felt this energy from Leo. And my Spidey Sense was never wrong in 26 years. I feel people emotions better than them. I read the energys of people in 5 seconds. It's the gift of healed trauma. You are kind and neutral, so kodos to you! Definitely one of the more kind out here. When I see people fight to defend the ideology of Solipsism, I just see my Grandma trying to drill Christianity into my head when I was 2-3.

When observing layers of awareness, do you acknowledge those who can meditate into the superconscious (also referred to as the unconscious)? Is that something you've ever come across when researching? It's at that depth where the subjective experience takes on the formless display of an infinite singularity. And it's this state of consciousness that leads people to boldly make the claim of solipsism regarding the true nature of reality.

I understand if that sounds strange and unlikely, but it becomes a lot more believable once you've tasted the full transcendence for yourself. The profundity is impossible to convey without direct experience. That's also why psychedelics shouldn't be underestimated. When used correctly, they open that same exact door, albeit by a chemical catalyst.

[Princess Arabia]

1 hour ago, Some dude on the net said:

You're just getting lost in illusions. 

There is no brain, and the body isn't real. There is no person having a life. There are no experiences and there is no world, not even on the inside. There is no one and there is no you to claim there is no one. There is no past and there is no future, there is not even a present moment because that implies a past and a future moment. There is no NOW either, because that implies time and that there is a THEN. Einstein and Jung and whomever else you claim to be so smart never existed and that's why they are not here to back up your claims about them. There is no movement and nothing is really happening. There is no one dreaming, nor is the Universe a mirror. There are no stars and no moon and sun. Jesus was never born and never died. My mother never existed or she would still be here. 

Everything you claim to know are just thoughts repeating themselves and will be repeated by another illusory figure to come that will claim to know stuff. Knowledge is an illusion and it's all descended down from dead ancestors who themselves didn't know anything. There is nothing here it's all empty and there is no point of reference, no facts, no truths and nothing false.

Need me continue. Who is delusional now. Prove me wrong.

[Some dude on the net]

@What Am I I've told you my stance. All the people who do psychedelics end up at Solipsism, I wonder why. I've had 2 chemist friends in university, they started to make MDAM, one of them died because they had 2 kg of MDAM and they fucked something up during the chemical process. The one that lived took 50 LSD trips in one year. He's not the same person anymore, even after 6 years, and he's a Solipsist. I agree that we don't agree and that's a healthy thing to do. Psychedelics are like any other thing in life. Too much it's bad for you. If you drink 10l of water in a day you die. Any excess is bad, doesn't matter the substance. Go to Sad-Guru and tell him you can't meditate without 5 meo, he would slap you. 

[Some dude on the net]

@Princess Arabia Mam' with all do respect. How they can be here and now when they are dead for 100 years? The only thing that is eternal and indescribable is the human will. And the will of Sartre, Einstein and Jung lives through me, and they tell me Solipsism is a trap. Man yellow is bonkers, you can't be influenced. Because in my mind there is a court with Einstein, Jung, Sartre, Schopenhauer, Buddha, Camu and many others. And all of them disagree with Solipsism. I agree with many things you said. Yet you use all of those illusions to justify Solipsism xd. I've never met a Solipsist that didn't do hardcore psychedelics. 

[Some dude on the net]

 "Search for truth, but doubt those who find it" - André Gide. Thank you all for the discussion. (Besides a sociopath or two) Cheers. 

[Ulax]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

If your mind generates a image is because there is something out of your field of consciousness, if everything were inside of your field of consciousness, your field of consciousness would be absolute, then without any definition, no diferenciation.

Your mind could just be generating illusions

[Yeah Yeah]

@Some dude on the net So you aren't afraid of death? Like if you supposedly did not take the meds and one week later death was to struck at the irreversible turn you'd be fearless? I am interested to hear your answer to this question, sir

[Yeah Yeah]

The major question to this problem I sense comes down to: To what extent of the words do you mean that people may or may not exist ... Because people seem to have minds of their own; nor can you decide to make a billionare contact you in the 3 months to transfer money into your account; I'm sure a lifetime of meditation or magic LOA will not allow this - Or could it? But would that time be too much for what it is worth ... But it'd maybe prove a point in the end. If you cannot 'mind-control' others; then maybe what you mean by others is like they share some universal substantial energy as yourself (conciousness as an example; or simply brains and hearts and similar sensory organs) I mean you and other came from sperm and eggs, everyone has eyes and mouth, emotions and thoughts, and it is all alike - If aliens visited Eartch, you'd all look alike essentially anyways ...

Edited October 12 by Yeah Yeah

[Yeah Yeah]

2 hours ago, Some dude on the net said:

@Javfly33 I'm listening to the greatest minds in history. Not to psychedelic junkies, when you go and have 200 trips in 2 years it's because your running from something in the real world. Here’s how Jean-Paul Sartre, Albert Einstein, and Carl Jung might reacted to Solipsism. 

 

Jean-Paul Sartre:

 

Sartre, as an existentialist, was not a solipsist. In his major work, "Being and Nothingness", he talks about "the Other" and how relationships with other people are essential for the development of the self. Sartre believes that we are aware of the existence of others, and our experiences are shaped by interactions with them, which contradicts Solipsism. Because people here who don't know basic psychology claim to be woke. You can have traumas before you were born. The anigdala starts to record emotions from the 5 month of pregnancy, if you mom was beaten or stressed all that cortisol fluids the fetus brain and he feels shock and terror, what the mother feels the baby feels. You could be born to perfect parents but still develope anxiety just for this reason. Because when you were born your body existed, but you Solipsistic view of the world did not. You didn't exist, but your Amigdala did. This is holistic healing. All the people going hardcore on 5 meo are Solipsists. Maybe because it lies to you. As I've said in a previous post, we create our egos in relationship with the surrounding environment in the first 2 years of life, not with a projection of your mind. Although Sartre emphasizes the radical freedom of the individual and personal responsibility, he does not deny external reality. Others are not mere projections of our minds, but represent an essential part of the human condition.

 

Albert Einstein:

 

Einstein, as a physicist, would have rejected solipsism from a scientific perspective. His theory of relativity and scientific discoveries are based on the hypothesis that there is an objective reality, accessible through scientific methods. He believed in an external world independent of our perception, governed by physical laws that can be understood through observation and experiment. For Einstein, solipsism was a limiting view, as it contradicts the fundamental principle of science, which requires testing hypotheses against a universe that is objective and shared by all observers.

 

Carl Jung:

 

Jung, a psychoanalyst and founder of analytical psychology, would have seen solipsism as a problematic idea, especially from the perspective of the collective. He developed the concept of the collective unconscious, which suggests that there are deep layers of the psyche shared by all people, with common archetypes and universal experiences. This contradicts solipsism, as Jung believed that the individual is not only connected to their own self but also to a shared psychic reality. While Jung emphasized introspection and inner development, he did not deny external reality and its influences on the human mind.

So relax with your 5369 trips per year. You're just getting lost in illusions. 

Dude did you really use ChatGPT or AI to write these answers for you bro ... like you haven't actually read their works and concluded in your own words and contemplated thoughts actual insights to what they may have actually said? I hope this isn't AI or you lose credibility from me on this one dawg

[Princess Arabia]

1 hour ago, Some dude on the net said:

@Princess Arabia Mam' with all do respect. How they can be here and now when they are dead for 100 years? The only thing that is eternal and indescribable is the human will. And the will of Sartre, Einstein and Jung lives through me, and they tell me Solipsism is a trap. Man yellow is bonkers, you can't be influenced. Because in my mind there is a court with Einstein, Jung, Sartre, Schopenhauer, Buddha, Camu and many others. And all of them disagree with Solipsism. I agree with many things you said. Yet you use all of those illusions to justify Solipsism xd. I've never met a Solipsist that didn't do hardcore psychedelics. 

I never mentioned anything about Solipsism in my last comment, the one you just replied to. I don't have to justify Solipsism because if all I said is true, there is no Solipsism either, but only as a concept and idea like we're talking about now. There's nothing justifiable but only within the illusion within the illusion. Now, we can continue to be illusionists.

[TruthFreedom]

To the people who still believe in solipsism, I ask,

Why do people use the phrase "putting your head in the sand"?

This refers to a survival technique used by ostriches,

And might I add, not a very helpful one.

The ostrich believes only his perception is reality, and if HE can't see the predator, then the predator can't see HIM.

If you still believe in solipsism, I suggest you sit in the middle of a pride of hungry lions with bag over your head, and see how long you survive 🤣

Edited October 12 by TruthFreedom