2024 Election Discussion General

[ryandesreu]

@zazen While some of these ideas might be partially achievable, such as through executive orders or targeted legislation, most would face substantial legal, political, and institutional obstacles. The feasibility of these actions would likely depend on broad Congressional support, a favorable Supreme Court, and minimal resistance from within government agencies.

[Nemra]

13 minutes ago, whh2222 said:

this is a necessary lesson for our society to learn. 

It is. I mean everything is like that.

What irritates me is how people comfortably ignore the facts about Trump and interestingly focus on Kamala's inauthenticity. What they don't understand is that Trump authentically lies.

Edited November 8 by Nemra

[Kid A]

24 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

30 Pages crying about the result and saying how bad US going to go due to Trump administration is not my idea of Accepting the result.

If majority of coutry has voted the other side maybe is because of something.

 

Maybe news and mainstream media is playing a Game you and the bad ones are not that bad and the good ones are not that good.

 

I actually was watching videos just some minutes ago and i was listening to the Guy and It strucked to me as a much authentic Guy than kamala or biden Guy.

You just have to listen some minutes Kamala or Biden speaking and its just so full of lies, they speak with this correctedness and falsehood that already lets you see why they have Lost. 

Trump might have their negative stuff but at least when he speaks he seems like a Real human, something that has been Lost in politics. Everyone else seems like a politically correct robot. 

 

In fact I was watching previously another video where Trump gets Angry with a reporter because of asking him unfair questions and also calls them fake news and I was thinking damn, which president have the authenticity and balls to do that? 

 

So there You go, probably trump is what US needs, i dont Live there but i honestly think It Will be good for you guys. Dont jump into conclusions just yet.

Authentic? All Trump does is lying and manipulating people. He has convinced most of his supporters that he actually cares about Americans, is a "good Christian" and that the 2020 election was stolen (without any proof of course) and many many other lies. In reality he of course only cares about himself and every decision he makes is only for his own gain.
I'm so glad I live in a country where people like Trump are in jail and not in politics. Our politicians are of course politically correct and boring as fuck, but you know what? They are pretty good at doing what they are supposed to do: Create and maintain a functional society.
If you want politically incorrect entertainment - go watch some old episodes of South Park or something. That's not what politics are for.  

[What Am I]

31 minutes ago, ryandesreu said:

Biden packing the court will just lead to McDonald repacking it like he does with fries into his mouth. 

However, Supreme Court Justice term limits is not outside the realm of possibility, especially if public support continues to grow, but it would have to be pushed heavily.

Agreed, a solution that's perceived as fair and reasonable is the only way forward, and term limits would fit the bill.

31 minutes ago, ryandesreu said:

Do Republicans still denounce a president with signs of cognitive decline now that Donald Trump is back in office?

lol perhaps, but I'm guessing some are looking the other way and others are just ignorant of it due to their own mental shortcomings. In any case, comparison of their decline is a matter of degrees. If we're being honest, Biden had more of an appearance of being an old man, with worse mental hiccups and even physical signs, such as stiffness. So it's less easy to pick out in Trump's case.

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[whh2222]

36 minutes ago, Frylock said:

This is the first time in American history they have elected to go autocratic, and people need to understand what can be done. There's a sense of hopelessness but there are ways to combat corruption. I wouldn't call that toxic green, more like a mobilization against tyranny. Just sitting there and getting slaughtered is what stage green people should do? Please...

People of the trump supporting ilk act like bullies and then gaslight you when you stand up to them. "I thought you were supposed to be more accepting and caring!" 

[Husseinisdoingfine]

If I may offer my sincere and honest input to explain why I think Harris lost by such a substantial margin, but, in short, its a rejection of centrist Liberalism, a dying ideology.

 

If we look at the voter margins between 2020 and 2024, we see that Trump largely got the same number of votes as he did in 2020. Trump didn't necessarily increase the amount of people who voted for him, he retained roughly the same amount. Meanwhile on the Democratic side, Harris got 15 million less votes than Biden in 2020. 

This is significant because on policy, and rhetoric, which is arguably more important, the Democrats moved right. They have completely stopped talking about trans rights, and have adopted Trump's 2016 border security and immigration policy. 

 

The reason why they moved to the right; from immigration, to being supported by Dick and Liz Cheney, etc... was to convince those in the center, and even some Republicans to vote for them. But that didn't happen. In 2020, 97% of registered Republicans voted for Trump, and in 2024, 97% of registered Republicans voted for Trump.  The attempt to appeal to centrists and conservatives backfired, and as a result, 15 million less people voted for Harris than did Biden. 

As part of Liberal ideology is an innate trust in institutions, such as mainstream media and Government. This is part of the reason why Democrats refrained from using populist and working class language to frame this as a battle between the little guy and corrupt elites. This trust in institutions is as well why the Democrats refrained from going on alternative media and podcasts, instead relying on legacy media. 

But we're living in an age of distrust. No one trusts the Government or legacy media anymore. Centrist Liberalism is a dying ideology. It is an era of populism.

And thats really it. It doesn't matter that the Democrats had better policy, people don't know what the policies are and never vote on them. Voters are too ignorant what the polices are, hence it doesn't matter than Biden was super pro-union, child tax credit, reduced inflation, whatever...

 

Democrats need to adopt populist language and need to stop trying to appeal to Conservatives, because they're going to call Dems, 'Communists', no matter who they nominate. They as well need to utilize alternative media and podcasts. Nominate better candidates who speak more authentically, and don't rely on teleprompters for every speech as well. 

Bernie was a good example of what the Democrats should aspire to be like, he was populist and utilized alternative media. But in 2020, Democrats were too concerned with nominating someone "electable". Also, the donors and establishment Dems would have never approved of Bernie and would have sought to undermine him every chance they got. 

 

Edit: On second thought, I do think Democrats were still too relaxed on immigration. Migrants in New York City were literally given vouchers to buy food, and were put up in luxurious hotels for shelter. Leftist politicians such as AOC were defending this practice. This definitely has contributed to a lot of nativist sentiment, both in America and in Europe. 

Edited November 8 by Husseinisdoingfine

[Jodistrict]

Democrats were going down the wrong path with some of the more excessive elements of wokism, especially their obsession with trans rights and pushing it into the schools.  People are sensative about their children.  It alienated a lot of people.   The only one that actually brought up economic issues and wealth inequality was Robert Kennedy and he had to go to Trump to be heard.

 

 

 

 

 

[What Am I]

Anyone have thoughts on why we're not seeing epic protests on the level of 2016's election? I guess we have yet to see what happens in the next few months, but it's been relatively quiet so far.

[Husseinisdoingfine]

1 hour ago, Jodistrict said:

Democrats were going down the wrong path with some of the more excessive elements of wokism, especially their obsession with trans rights and pushing it into the schools.  People are sensative about their children.  It alienated a lot of people.   The only one that actually brought up economic issues and wealth inequality was Robert Kennedy and he had to go to Trump to be heard.

I actually agree with this.

They were not populist enough on economic and healthcare issues, but the trans issue, as well as mass migration, did definitely scare a lot of people.

And Trump definitely used this fear to his advantage. 

 

Edited November 8 by Husseinisdoingfine

[whh2222]

1 hour ago, Jodistrict said:

Democrats were going down the wrong path with some of the more excessive elements of wokism, especially their obsession with trans rights and pushing it into the schools.  People are sensative about their children.  It alienated a lot of people.   The only one that actually brought up economic issues and wealth inequality was Robert Kennedy and he had to go to Trump to be heard.

 

 

 

 

 

Dems are 100% putting their energy into the wrong issues and their strategy is terrible. 

I reminds me of how the entertainment industry is forcing woke ideals into their movies and shows, lose money, and then wonder why the formula isn't working. 

Edited November 8 by whh2222

[Davino]

19 hours ago, Raze said:

 

I believe this is a fail from feminism to incorporate a new vision for men. If the left wants to find appeal among the young, it has to embrace healthy masculine ideals.

If you are strongly masculine, how are you gonna find appeal in the narratives of the left, it leaves you confused and alienated. Instead, the right with its long proven masculine virtues finds connection within a boys generation that the left wants castrated.

Many books have been written about this, but as a young masculine adult I recommend a book called Iron John. It helped me navigate this terrain.

[Etherial Cat]

28 minutes ago, Davino said:

I believe this is a fail from feminism to incorporate a new vision for men. If the left wants to find appeal among the young, it has to embrace healthy masculine ideals.

If you are strongly masculine, how are you gonna find appeal in the narratives of the left, it leaves you confused and alienated. Instead, the right with its long proven masculine virtues finds connection within a boys generation that the left wants castrated.

Many books have been written about this, but as a young masculine adult I recommend a book called Iron John. It helped me navigate this terrain.

I share some of this perspective.

Feminism has suffered from terrible cultural branding. It's a movement designed to liberate both men and women from the excesses of so called 'alpha male' dominance, which disrupts the integrity of all individuals.

Thanks for bringing this up.

Edited November 8 by Etherial Cat

[Nemra]

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Edited November 8 by Nemra

[UnlovingGod]

I think one of the main reasons overlooked why the Republicans won is their possibility to maintain shortterm security for American capitlists. China running away in terms of production capacities, not only in sheer workforce but also on the intelectual ground. BYD is already selling more cars with a way more efficient productionline than Tesla, that's why you saw Elon Musk siding with Trump, as Trump's protectionism would bail out for a short time the sinking ship that the american economic system is. That's why you see Silicon Valley (Traditionally liberal) siding with Trump. The following culture war is just a symptome for ignorant americans to eat and believe in it and a means to get power. America has to restructure itself from the ground, also ideologically speaking, to be sustainable for the future. They have to let go from Manifest Destiny and they're hegemony over the world and be way more cooperative, but that won't work in the current political historical constellations. They'll crash hard and bounce back, but not as they likely imagine it to be.

[Davino]

19 hours ago, Raze said:

What a shame and waste of money

So democrats had thrice the money Republicans had and still got such a horrendous result.

Is there anyone in the party right now asking these types of questions?

[What Am I]

8 minutes ago, Davino said:

Is there anyone in the party right now asking these types of questions?

It's still very early in the grieving process. For many, I think they're still in the "anger at the voters" stage. But yeah, I am seeing some reflection from a few left-leaning figures.

Here you can see a dichotomy of different ways to handle the loss. I very much have a preference for Pisco's.

 

Edited November 8 by What Am I

[mr_engineer]

20 hours ago, Raze said:

Another issue is the young.

I assumed the future is progressive after how young voters seemed more left leaning and how much they supported Bernie. But it looks like Hillary and Kamala alienated them especially men, keeping in mind political beliefs usually get set in at this age it shows the  right still has a future. The whole Bernie bro narrative was really effective in causing this I believe.

Well, obviously, if the left is going to hate on men and be condescending towards men, men are going to go right.

Looks like it counted this time. 

[Davino]

13 minutes ago, Etherial Cat said:

Feminism has suffered from terrible cultural branding. It's a movement designed to liberate both men and women from the excesses of so called 'alpha male' dominance, which disrupts the integrity of all individuals.

Thanks for sharing your perspective. 

We need alpha males in the world, but we need healthy mature ones. No doubt Trump is an alpha male, all dictators are, yet he is a terribly toxic selfish destructive one. 

Feminism has given a new vision for women but hasn't made a new vision for the 21st century man. In this void of role models, the limited more traditional male finds more appeal than an ambigue castrated masculinity.

This is no mistakes, I'm totally aware of why this is the case and the progressive evolutionary ladder mechanism. After so many submissive feminity, it had to wake up in a roar and submit men. To equilibrate the game field. This is understood in the field as the first wave of feminism. Obvious in this role neither men nor women feel comfortable. A new vision for women is emerging, yet the man feels lost in a world we're doesn't know how to go forward and the past limited masculine versions are something to hold on to.

[Nivsch]

On 7.11.2024 at 4:17 PM, zazen said:

That's the problem, those stages aren't full of shit.  I think the framework of spiral dynamics is limited and actually skews our perception of reality because we tend to approach it as higher / lower and conflate that with better / worse or more / less developed. It's spiral dynamics apartheid and tribalism with fancy clothes.

Yes but it is up to the observer to develop the way he interpret the model.

Edited November 8 by Nivsch

[Null Simplex]

On 11/7/2024 at 8:21 AM, Leo Gura said:

Progressives are useful idiots for fascists.