2024 Election Discussion General

[bambi]

Just now, Consept said:

No you're strawmanning me I didn't say he was in the same league as Hitler or Mussolini, we wouldn't even know if he was because he probably won't get the same power as them. 

I've played your game, you're using chatgpt and my answer was close to it anyway and you're still saying I'm biased lol. 

Why don't you engage with the question? Do you think it's safe for a leader to have a high level of facist traits? And as an analogy would it be safe for a teacher around kids has a lot of pedophile traits without being strictly defined as a pedophile? 

Point being a strict definition doesn't really matter. Let's hear the mental gymnastics 

 

The correct analogy here would be having teachers that admit to being attracted to physically developed 15-16-17-18 year old girls, or behaviours that show that they are.

Its an unofrtunate truth of human nature. I dont see Trumps level of fascist traits equal to pedophilia propensities, Im sorry

[Thought Art]

A lot of us a ignorant on these matters. Including myself. This makes democracy something challenging.

[Gennadiy1981]

49 minutes ago, zazen said:

If the voting base amongst Democrats are much more developed than Republicans, why is California (a Democrat stronghold) experiencing the issues it is including many businesses and people leaving? 

Are progressive policies not developed well .. is it developed to prioritise DEI, equity,  pronouns and micro aggressions over the fundamentals of what makes a society function such as safety on the streets. California designated theft of goods under $950 as just a misdemeanour - theft hiked up after that.

 

I agree with you, its not only the stage green here, and those who believe are wrong and thats why the progressives lost big time. They can live in denial and will be loosing more and more.

Of course thats a big deal, I do know many who left California for that reason, yes a store owner who had twice people broken into his store and cops didnt do jack. He had to leave and also the medical laws prompted many people to leave the state and the vaccine laws during covid were tough. If those who think people are living because they are not developed yet, they are super wrong and yesterday it was proved.

You cant brush off basic necessities that society needs. It became so absurd that to imprison a criminals is a right wing idea, its nonsense its how society needs to function.

[Leo Gura]

3 minutes ago, bambi said:

How do you see the next 4 years going realistically then, what are your core concerns and predictions.

I actually think Trumps need for vanity will be beneficial this time round. He will be less polarizing and make more policies inline with the young capilaist elite. 

As I wrote here: https://www.actualized.org/insights/2024-election-prediction

"A second Trump term would be absolutely disastrous. It will be by far the most corrupt form of government that America has ever had, by an order of magnitude. The corruption will be horrific and unimaginable. Expect war, violence, abuse of power at unprecedented scale, loss of many freedoms, Federal ban on abortion, white supremacy, Christian theocracy, criminals in the White House, fraud, corporate exploitation, gutting of all good regulations, a generation-long destruction of the Supreme Court, erosion of the legal system, concentration camps for migrants, abuse of all types of minorities, gross incompetence and mismanagement, poisoning of the food and water supply, pardoning of elite criminals, stock market collapse, crypto market collapse, and perhaps the end of democracy and elections. I’m not saying this will happen with 100% certainty, but it’s reasonably probable — which is a completely irresponsible thing to gamble with."

[Raze]

[Hardkill]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

As I wrote here: https://www.actualized.org/insights/2024-election-prediction

"A second Trump term would be absolutely disastrous. It will be by far the most corrupt form of government that America has ever had, by an order of magnitude. The corruption will be horrific and unimaginable. Expect war, violence, abuse of power at unprecedented scale, loss of many freedoms, Federal ban on abortion, white supremacy, Christian theocracy, criminals in the White House, fraud, corporate exploitation, gutting of all good regulations, a generation-long destruction of the Supreme Court, erosion of the legal system, concentration camps for migrants, abuse of all types of minorities, gross incompetence and mismanagement, poisoning of the food and water supply, pardoning of elite criminals, stock market collapse, crypto market collapse, and perhaps the end of democracy and elections. I’m not saying this will happen with 100% certainty, but it’s reasonably probable — which is a completely irresponsible thing to gamble with."

So, we're doomed.....the devil really won.....the end is nigh.....

[Talinn]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

As I wrote here: https://www.actualized.org/insights/2024-election-prediction

"A second Trump term would be absolutely disastrous. It will be by far the most corrupt form of government that America has ever had, by an order of magnitude. The corruption will be horrific and unimaginable. Expect war, violence, abuse of power at unprecedented scale, loss of many freedoms, Federal ban on abortion, white supremacy, Christian theocracy, criminals in the White House, fraud, corporate exploitation, gutting of all good regulations, a generation-long destruction of the Supreme Court, erosion of the legal system, concentration camps for migrants, abuse of all types of minorities, gross incompetence and mismanagement, poisoning of the food and water supply, pardoning of elite criminals, stock market collapse, crypto market collapse, and perhaps the end of democracy and elections. I’m not saying this will happen with 100% certainty, but it’s reasonably probable — which is a completely irresponsible thing to gamble with."

A federal abortion ban will be the only thing that could take a little more time I think.

[PurpleTree]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

As I wrote here: https://www.actualized.org/insights/2024-election-prediction

"A second Trump term would be absolutely disastrous. It will be by far the most corrupt form of government that America has ever had, by an order of magnitude. The corruption will be horrific and unimaginable. Expect war, violence, abuse of power at unprecedented scale, loss of many freedoms, Federal ban on abortion, white supremacy, Christian theocracy, criminals in the White House, fraud, corporate exploitation, gutting of all good regulations, a generation-long destruction of the Supreme Court, erosion of the legal system, concentration camps for migrants, abuse of all types of minorities, gross incompetence and mismanagement, poisoning of the food and water supply, pardoning of elite criminals, stock market collapse, crypto market collapse, and perhaps the end of democracy and elections. I’m not saying this will happen with 100% certainty, but it’s reasonably probable — which is a completely irresponsible thing to gamble with."

It does sounds very hyperbolic and unrealistic. Especially with people like RFK, Elon etc. on board. But maybe he just used them to get voted in and then Bam off to the gulag with them.

[bambi]

2 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

As I wrote here: https://www.actualized.org/insights/2024-election-prediction

"A second Trump term would be absolutely disastrous. It will be by far the most corrupt form of government that America has ever had, by an order of magnitude. The corruption will be horrific and unimaginable. Expect war, violence, abuse of power at unprecedented scale, loss of many freedoms, Federal ban on abortion, white supremacy, Christian theocracy, criminals in the White House, fraud, corporate exploitation, gutting of all good regulations, a generation-long destruction of the Supreme Court, erosion of the legal system, concentration camps for migrants, abuse of all types of minorities, gross incompetence and mismanagement, poisoning of the food and water supply, pardoning of elite criminals, stock market collapse, crypto market collapse, and perhaps the end of democracy and elections. I’m not saying this will happen with 100% certainty, but it’s reasonably probable — which is a completely irresponsible thing to gamble with."

Awesome, thank you. Lets see how it goes and the accuracy of the above

[Consept]

1 minute ago, bambi said:

The correct analogy here would be having teachers that admit to being attracted to physically developed 15-16-17-18 year old girls, or behaviours that show that they are.

Its an unofrtunate truth of human nature. I dont see Trumps level of fascist traits equal to pedophilia propensities, Im sorry

Ah i see youre not able to engage with hypotheticals. I'll have to work around you. 

So would you say, if you agree with your chatgpt assessment, that someone with 8/10 facist traits, although not a facist in your estimation, is a good choice for a leader? And why do you think that if so? 

 

[Leo Gura]

1 minute ago, Hardkill said:

So, we're doomed.....the devil really won.....the end is nigh.....

Don't forget, Germany and Japan recovered from WW2 relatively quickly.

So doom is a fleeting thing.

[Thought Art]

@Hardkill Remember that like 3 mile long train that crashed and burned releasing tons of toxic Chemicals because Trump slashed railway regulations?

Remember Flint Michigan? I know that wasn't trump, but it's an example of how lies can poison people.

It's not like Trump is just some guy with conservative values. I don't think people have a good understanding of what is possible.

I bet so much chaos has happened or could happen and people may not be able to trace it back to it's origin. It's easy to blame the wrong person.

Edited 9 hours ago by Thought Art

[Lyubov]

How would Trump possibly cancel elections? Explain to me how that is possible or could be done. Sounds to me like the left wing version of eating cats and dogs.  

Edited 9 hours ago by Lyubov

[Happy Lizard]

22 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

The solution is exactly whatever unfolds in reality.

The solution is to fail, fail, and fail with immaturity until people wise up and grow up.

This is disastrous, if it’s what I’m thinking there could be even war within the US soon. During Covid I watched how little prepared people were in stores in an uncertain situation, the looks of horror on some of the people’s faces just spelled to me “un-prepared”. Me and my family Having gone through war and chaos for multiple generations were going through it like it was a drill. Idk know if it can get this bad here, but if it will it will be ugly.

Edited 8 hours ago by Happy Lizard

[Hardkill]

Just now, Leo Gura said:

Don't forget, Germany and Japan recovered from WW2 relatively quickly.

So doom is a fleeting thing.

Didn't take a whole lifetime or 20 to 30 years for it to fully from WW2?

[Raze]

Last 10 minutes here is brutal, Allan Lichtman was absolutely crushed and humiliated, his 13 keys exposed as frauds

 

[Scarecrow]

3 minutes ago, Raze said:

interesting

[Thorsten Fuzzi]

I love this world, no matter what. I love you, too.

[Hardkill]

Just now, Thought Art said:

@Hardkill Remember that like 3 mile long train that crashed and burned releasing tons of toxic Chemicals because trump slashed railway regulations?

Remember Flint Michigan? I know that wasn't trump, but it's an example of how lies can poison people.

It's not like Trump is just some guy with conservative values. I don't think people have a good understanding of what is possible.

I know.....

God! I feel like there's no light at the end of the tunnel with this madness!

[Consept]

1 minute ago, Lyubov said:

how would Trump possibly cancel elections? explain to me how that is possible or could be done. sounds to me like the left wing version of eating cats and dogs.  

Putin did it, he's been power for decades now