2024 Election Discussion General

[What Am I]

Just now, bambi said:

Let's be honest, her race and sex probably gave her both equal votes and lost votes, so a net zero.

Ah, decent counter. Very true that merely being a non-white female is seen as a virtue in itself in many Dem circles.

[bambi]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

Don't belive any of this nonsense. The Trump admin will be pure corruption and self-dealing from top to bottom.

All of these people are corrupt grifters.

Thats the best you can do? seriously? JD Vance seems legit to me

[Nivsch]

14 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

That is certainly a factor.

I think one of the main reasons is that the pendulum is not on her side. The timing is against any democratic candidate right now. 

[Lyubov]

39 minutes ago, kray said:

It’s because she’s a black women. That’s as simple as it gets. Not a lot of people in this country are ready for that in all honesty.

I'm not saying it's a non factor but I also don't think that's not the whole story

https://www.resetera.com/threads/what-does-progressive-outreach-to-men-look-like-how-can-we-turn-the-tide.1028586/page-6

read this thread from this message board community that is far left politically. this is a great case study of the completely crippling near-sided problems idealists face on this issue, people who think their definitions are universal. 

the left actively has created for lack of a better word, an "effeminate" environment that has failed to account for the fact many people still want traditional values to be part of the state ethos. "down with the patriarchy" sorry but no, not down with the patriarchy, there's many good things form the patriarchy that should be left intact.

The left has been overtaken by radicle gender politics and culture war "equality" stuff and while the right has radicles too, the right has been able to pivot and form a far better working consensus while the left has not. 

they label themselves as "progressives" yet not everyone believes things should be progressive or that it's better than the status quo. many people do not share these ideals and it would be a mischaracterization to rope in everything the left has politically strived for and honestly say it serves freedom. notice how the right does not consider Trump a dictator but the savior of freedom, to them they see the political ambitions of the left as actively  deconstructing the fabric of a healthy society. Now I'm not saying Trump and the conservatives are correct on this

The left has actively alienated men and failed to integrate traditional societal values with progressive ideals. They had this coming.

Edited 11 hours ago by Lyubov

[Leo Gura]

3 minutes ago, bambi said:

Thats the best you can do? seriously? JD Vance seems legit to me

JD Vance is pure corrupt grifter. As sleazy as they get. Why is why he sucks Trump's ass for the job.

Edited 11 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Husseinisdoingfine]

@Leo Gura I know your justification for why Harris lost is the low level of Spiral and Psyche development of Americans and their value systems.

But what do you think of Sander’s explanation that it was disastrous leadership by the Democratic Party “abandoning working class people," and thus they, the Democrats, in return were abandoned by the working class?

Official Bernie statement

[bambi]

Just now, Leo Gura said:

JD Vance is pure corrupt grifter. As sleazy as they get.

LOL slightly sleezy maybe, but not sure about how corrupt he is. Whats the basis for this? I seen his rogan podcast and he seems like a legit normal dude also seems capable and intelligent, not some reptilian overlord out to ruin your life

[Something Funny]

17 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

This summer one of my family members who doesn't follow politics at all asked me: So, who is running for President? I said, a black woman. And my family member replied, "Ewww.... another monkey?"

That's politics.

Sounds awfully familiar to something my grandparents might say...

[Talinn]

2 minutes ago, bambi said:

LOL slightly sleezy maybe, but not sure about how corrupt he is. Whats the basis for this? I seen his rogan podcast and he seems like a legit normal dude also seems capable and intelligent, not some reptilian overlord out to ruin your life

Clueless ..

[What Am I]

1 minute ago, Something Funny said:

Sounds awfully familiar to something my grandparents might say...

I'm sure elder members of all our families probably have the tendency. They're just products of their time. As are we.

Edited 11 hours ago by What Am I

[Nemra]

 

[Hatfort]

2 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

And it’s not her fault. She can’t be different than she is. But the dems were silly to pick her.

This is known now. A reason for her election was that she was already the VP, and there wasn't much time for a decent primary process that could divide the party even more. I think the original sin was that Biden didn't announce his retirement earlier, but that would have been a risky move too, before everyone saw how much he had declined.

[PurpleTree]

1 minute ago, Something Funny said:

Sounds awfully familiar to something my grandparents might say...

You guys have crazy families honestly my grandmother was an artsy commie type feminist leftie. 

[Scarecrow]

12 minutes ago, zazen said:

Joel Salatin is a mentor of Tai Lopez. Good start so far.. Trump this time round seems to really have organised around getting the right people in position. Imagine JD Vance / Tulsi in 2028.

Cool! He’s the reason I got into agriculture  in Kentucky 

[Something Funny]

2 minutes ago, bambi said:

LOL slightly sleezy maybe, but not sure about how corrupt he is. Whats the basis for this? I seen his rogan podcast and he seems like a legit normal dude also seems capable and intelligent, not some reptilian overlord out to ruin your life

if that's the impression you got, you are really bad at reading people. 

 

[PurpleTree]

Just now, Hatfort said:

This is known now. A reason for her election was that she was already the VP, and there wasn't much time for a decent primary process that could divide the party even more. I think the original sin was that Biden didn't announce his retirement earlier, but that would have been a risky move too, before everyone saw how much he had declined.

Already Biden was a bad candidate. The way the dems f’d over Bernie back then was so sleazy. That was their last good candidate seemingly.

[Something Funny]

@PurpleTree that's eastern european grandparents for you. They will just sit there, all nice and sweet, and then casually drop an N word, lol.

[hoodrow trillson]

My curiosity is now wondering... now that Trump won the election and they're no longer the victims of a """stolen""" election by the "extreme liberal left", what will they whine about now that they're totally in power?  They now have control over everything. 

Edited 11 hours ago by hoodrow trillson

[bambi]

3 minutes ago, Talinn said:

Clueless ..

Strong argument, you must release a course on your debate and argument skills

[Leo Gura]

8 minutes ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

But what do you think of Sander’s explanation that it was disastrous leadership by the Democratic Party “abandoning working class people," and thus they, the Democrats, in return were abandoned by the working class?

I am sick of all these leftist narratives. It's wrong.

“Abandoning working class people" is just a code word for: low developed people.

Yeah, Dems abandoned low developed people. That's why Dems are better than Repubs. Repubs cater to low development and that's why they win.

There is no greater enemy of the working class than Republicans and the capitalists who back Trump.

Edited 11 hours ago by Leo Gura