2024 Election Discussion General

[Salvijus]

1 hour ago, vibv said:

It’s paradoxical. I’m completely opposed to the result on one hand, but accept what-is as what it is.

Acceptance can also become toxic. Do you want to accept a tick on your body?

Yea you're a good example of the acceptance that I meant.

The bad example would be expressing tantrums and whining . Instead of making the best out of the given situation. 

Edited November 6 by Salvijus

[PurpleTree]

But it’s true what someone on here said recently.

Trump started to get tough on China China China.

Biden didn’t reverse it but kept the course.

So how much do they actually decide?

[Salvijus]

1 hour ago, Thetruthseeker said:

@PurpleTree

but honestly, why do you think people like Rogan (who’s usually a fairly developed guy) promoted Trump? 

There's only one explanation: because he genuine felt it's a more reasonable thing to do. 

Every other explanation that people want to attach to him is just hard cope. 

Edited November 6 by Salvijus

[PurpleTree]

1 minute ago, Salvijus said:

There's only one explanation: because he genuine felt it's a more reasonable thing to do. 

Every other explanation is just hard cope from people. 

Yea that’s not an explanation though. Why did he feel it’s more reasonable?

 
Salvijus: because he thought he’s the better candidate.

Well why did he think that. 
 

Gosh we’re going in circles.

[Consept]

7 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

What about Boris Johnson? He even had the hair. In France Le Pen is the Trump. AFD in Germany probably gaining too. Meloni in Italy. And they had the original Trump for decades with Silvio Berlusconi.

 

Nah Boris isnt close to Trump, he does do the personality thing but in reality the conservatives here are not really far right, more center right, also theyre very establishment all from private schools. They have green policies and everything. Boris would really just say what he needs to, to get power but it just so happens most people here dont want far right ideology which is why he didnt really go down that road. Before the Brexit vote he famously wrote 2 pieces on Brexit, one saying he great it is we're out in and one how great it is we're in just in case of either scenario. But yeah hes no where near the threat of Trump just a career, establishment politician that wants to win. 

Le Pen is obviously right but had to tone down a lot to get the votes, her father he ran the party before was much more extreme and couldnt get anywhere. 

Berlusconi, yeah ill give you him, Italy have a history of facism and corruption so thats a big factor, I'm not up on Italian politics but I dont think its as bad as those days now. 

But i do agree that it has been a bit more troubling in recent years, I think the rise of social media, Brexit vote, trump winning the first election have all empowered the far right. 

[Bobby_2021]

3 minutes ago, Nemra said:

If it's not straight and white, then it has to be, as you say, a sloppy DEI hire?

What sloppy news are you following?

Being sloppy can come in all shapes and forms. Dems managed to choose Biden, a straight white sloppy male and another sloppy walz, and another dei sloppy dei hire. None of these people could barely communicate coherently without being insufferable or fumble like crazy. 

Don't you see the issue here? 

American psyche want a strong leader who is bold enough to take risks. That is what the American hive is all about. Dems misunderstood the hive mind and got corrupted with money and their own bullshit.

So it is obvious that Americans will vote for a strong rapist than a weak shallow puppet. It is not like dems do not understand this. They thought they were better.

[Nemra]

Project 2025 greets Americans.

[Bobby_2021]

 

[Salvijus]

1 hour ago, PurpleTree said:

Yea that’s not an explanation though. Why did he feel it’s more reasonable?

 
Salvijus: because he thought he’s the better candidate.

Well why did he think that. 
 

Gosh we’re going in circles.

It's a sufficient answer onto itself. To remove all the bs people try to project on him. A full answer only JR would know probably. 

Edited November 6 by Salvijus

[Consept]

17 minutes ago, Thetruthseeker said:

but honestly, why do you think people like Rogan (who’s usually a fairly developed guy) promoted Trump? 

I think Rogan makes sense in that he was backing RFK because he buys in to all the alternative, anti-vax stuff. So Trump bringing on RFK would have a big impact on Rogan and RFK supporters. Trump has already said hes going to put him in charge of health which is insane. 

Brand at this point is just a grifter and his audience obviously support Trump. Elon sees at as a way to get power through Trump, less legislation, basically freedom to do what he wants so hes probably the most invested. He sees him as a means to whatever ends he has. 

[Salvijus]

1 hour ago, Consept said:

1 hour ago, Salvijus said:

It's a sufficient answer onto itself. To remove all the bs people try to project on him.

Brand at this point just a grifter

 

See. That's what I meant. That's how people cope. 

Edited November 6 by Salvijus

[PurpleTree]

2 minutes ago, Consept said:

I think Rogan makes sense in that he was backing RFK because he buys in to all the alternative, anti-vax stuff. So Trump bringing on RFK would have a big impact on Rogan and RFK supporters. Trump has already said hes going to put him in charge of health which is insane. 

Brand at this point is just a grifter and his audience obviously support Trump. Elon sees at as a way to get power through Trump, less legislation, basically freedom to do what he wants so hes probably the most invested. He sees him as a means to whatever ends he has. 

Yea i agree with all that. Covid really switched Rogan. He often said how he had friends with restaurants etc. in California who lost their businesses. And then the whole CNN thing where they kept on insisting he’s so dumb for taking Ivermectin (horse dewormer) while it was just one thing in the stack he took, changed the colour of his picture etc.

Also Kamala wasn’t a good candidate seemingly.

 

[Salvijus]

"everyone who voted for the opposite side must be either corrupt, or insane, or evil, or stupid, and I'm about to get really salty and triggered about it and make a lot of noise wherever I can. And I'm going to join with my like minded people and form a glee club where we can trash opposite side together to give each other validation, crackle, crackle". - Mister ego. 

Edited November 6 by Salvijus

[Nemra]

12 minutes ago, Bobby_2021 said:

Dems misunderstood the hive mind and got corrupted with money and their own bullshit.

Trump and his team are the most corrupt people. They care the least about facts and truth, and have the least empathy. If people can't or don't want to see that, then it's mostly on themselves, and they clearly define "strong" differently.

[Consept]

6 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

See. That's what I meant. That's how people cope.

Its not a cope bro, Russell Brand is a grifter, hes literally selling (or most likely being paid to sell) a magical amulet that claims it blocks out 'signals' 

 

6 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

Yea i agree with all that. Covid really switched Rogan. He often said how he had friends with restaurants etc. in California who lost their businesses. And then the whole CNN thing where they kept on insisting he’s so dumb for taking Ivermectin (horse dewormer) while it was just one thing in the stack he took, changed the colour of his picture etc.

Also Kamala wasn’t a good candidate seemingly.

Yeah covid was a massive factor for people turning away from the traditional science, media etc imo to a large detriment in terms of sense making. Yeah mainstream is somewhat at fault for not recognising the fears of normal people and then that mixed with so much misinformation on social media literally changed reality for a lot of people and i do think that has led on to whats happening now. 

I dont think Kamala is necessarily a bad candidate I just think youre going up against something different with Trump and maga and dems didnt really adjust to it, but then I dont even know what that adjustment would look like. But she would have a good chance against a traditional republican  

[EternalForest]

It's sad but is it that surprising a Democratic candidate chosen un-democratically didn't win a democratic election? I mean, I don't support Trump either, but let's be honest, her whole campaign was a last ditch effort after Biden's dropout and it was probably never going to pick up enough steam in time to win. Dems are going to need something stronger than the current VP preaching "I'm not as bad as Trump" next time.

[PurpleTree]

2 minutes ago, Consept said:

Its not a cope bro, Russell Brand is a grifter, hes literally selling (or most likely being paid to sell) a magical amulet that claims it blocks out 'signals' 

 

Yeah covid was a massive factor for people turning away from the traditional science, media etc imo to a large detriment in terms of sense making. Yeah mainstream is somewhat at fault for not recognising the fears of normal people and then that mixed with so much misinformation on social media literally changed reality for a lot of people and i do think that has led on to whats happening now. 

I dont think Kamala is necessarily a bad candidate I just think youre going up against something different with Trump and maga and dems didnt really adjust to it, but then I dont even know what that adjustment would look like. But she would have a good chance against a traditional republican  

And even mainstream media spread misinformation. Like with Ivermectin for example. Calling it a horse dewormer and laughing about it is just not really the truth either.

[Thetruthseeker]

1 minute ago, Consept said:

Its not a cope bro, Russell Brand is a grifter, hes literally selling (or most likely being paid to sell) a magical amulet that claims it blocks out 'signals' 

 

Yeah covid was a massive factor for people turning away from the traditional science, media etc imo to a large detriment in terms of sense making. Yeah mainstream is somewhat at fault for not recognising the fears of normal people and then that mixed with so much misinformation on social media literally changed reality for a lot of people and i do think that has led on to whats happening now. 

I dont think Kamala is necessarily a bad candidate I just think youre going up against something different with Trump and maga and dems didnt really adjust to it, but then I dont even know what that adjustment would look like. But she would have a good chance against a traditional republican  

@Consept thanks for your thoughts. It’s cleared things up for me a bit. 
 

I guess one would have hoped with brand being ‘stage green’ as an example in Leo’s videos, and turning to yoga, meditation. Etc it’s just disappointing that it feels like he’d gone more ‘right wing’ and backwards in his psychology lately and turned to manipulation. I didn’t think that was too common where people went from Green to aspects of the lower stages. But then the ego is always there dragging people back 😂

[PurpleTree]

1 minute ago, Thetruthseeker said:

But then the ego is always there dragging people back 😂

Ego in a bucket. I used to like Brand but he was always an attention seeker and not far from crazy.

[BlackPhil]

1 minute ago, Thetruthseeker said:

@Consept thanks for your thoughts. It’s cleared things up for me a bit. 
 

I guess one would have hoped with brand being ‘stage green’ as an example in Leo’s videos, and turning to yoga, meditation. Etc it’s just disappointing that it feels like he’d gone more ‘right wing’ and backwards in his psychology lately and turned to manipulation. I didn’t think that was too common where people went from Green to aspects of the lower stages. But then the ego is always there dragging people back 😂

You need to step out of that model and step into reality. Much of the things you call being of a "higher stage" is just old pagan practices doing a comeback. The spiral dynamics model is very flawed so dont make a religion out of it.