2024 Election Discussion General

[Nemra]

@Leo Gura, before looking deeper, I just asked Claude AI why Bernie lost to Biden.

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Bernie Sanders lost to Biden in 2020 for several key reasons:

1. Democratic establishment support

• The party leadership and infrastructure largely backed Biden, viewing him as a safer choice

2. Obama association

• Biden's connection to the popular Obama presidency resonated with many Democratic voters, especially African Americans

3. "Return to normalcy" message

• Biden's promise of stability and restoration after Trump appealed to voters who were exhausted by political turmoil

4. Coalition differences:

• Biden dominated with older voters and Black voters
• Sanders' youth support, while passionate, had lower turnout
• Suburban voters, especially women, broke heavily for Biden

5. Moderate lane consolidation

• When Buttigieg and Klobuchar dropped out before Super Tuesday and endorsed Biden, their supporters largely went to him, while the progressive vote remained split between Sanders and Warren

6. Perceived electability

• Many Democrats prioritized beating Trump above all else, and polling consistently showed Biden performing better in hypothetical matchups against Trump

7. Mainstream media coverage

• Sanders faced more skeptical coverage of his democratic socialist policies, while Biden received generally favorable coverage as the moderate choice

Edited 23 hours ago by Nemra

[Husseinisdoingfine]

I saw this meme on Reddit. What do you think are the implication of this? Strange how the people who suffer the most economically vote for those who oppose; unions, minimum wage laws, expansions to healthcare, opposed Biden's infrastructure bill and then took credit for it, etc...

Edited 12 hours ago by Husseinisdoingfine

[Leo Gura]

@Nemra It would be better if you contemplated for yourself.

Edited 20 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Nemra]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

It would be better if you contemplated for yourself.

Ok.

However, I want to know and understand the facts and context of situations with AI in order to enhance my research.

I think contemplation can be done with or without AI.

I'm aware that I can delude myself using AI, like treating its responses as if I thought about them or thinking that I can draw conclusions like it does.

Edited 17 hours ago by Nemra

[ryandesreu]

An example of why parts of the Republican party is referred to as a cult.

[Fearey]

This will all gracefully untangle itself with time. Disturbance and chaos facilitates growth.

This time around we might get the chance see a great deal of that, which I'm very excited for.

[Yimpa]

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/muslims-who-voted-trump-upset-by-his-pro-israel-cabinet-picks-2024-11-15/
 

Muslims for Trump realizing they’ve been scammed 

[whh2222]

1 hour ago, Yimpa said:

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/muslims-who-voted-trump-upset-by-his-pro-israel-cabinet-picks-2024-11-15/
 

Muslims for Trump realizing they’ve been scammed 

no fuckinnnnn duh. jesus christ lol. So many fools drank the kool aid. The amount of people who voted for a candidate and system against their own interest due to it being such a wild card is like the equivalent of putting their life's savings on black in roulette. 

Edited 10 hours ago by whh2222

[Nemra]

A four year escape from Trump presidency:

 

Edited 2 hours ago by Nemra

[zazen]

10 hours ago, Yimpa said:

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/muslims-who-voted-trump-upset-by-his-pro-israel-cabinet-picks-2024-11-15/
 

Muslims for Trump realizing they’ve been scammed 

Either way Israel wins regardless of the party. Its not as if Biden didn't preside over a year long ethnic cleansing campaign crossing every single red line conceivable despite world wide back lash. United States has been a terrorist state for many decades now, and Trump coming into power doesn't change that.

''Trump isn't evil because he's another Hitler, he's evil because he's another Obama. SO much emphasis gets placed on how different Trump is from other US presidents, when all the evidence of his actual presidency showed the most evil thing about him is how similar he is to them. And both sides do this. Both Trump's supporters and detractors frame him as some radical deviation from the norm, with his supporters not recognizing how fully aligned with the establishment swamp he is, and his detractors not realizing how depraved the norm actually is.

Republicans believe Trump is going to End The Wars and Fight The Deep State, despite the fact that he did none of this while president. Democrats believe Trump is going to turn the US into a Nazi dictatorship, despite the fact that he governed as the same kind of evil as all other US presidents. The United States is the single most tyrannical and murderous government on earth, by an extremely massive margin.

Trump is evil because he spent his administration going along with all that tyranny and murderousness just like those who came before him and after him, not because of who he is as an individual. If you think Trump is some freakish aberration in an otherwise acceptable status quo, it's because you don't appreciate how horrific the status quo is.'' - Caitlin Johnstone