2024 Election Discussion General

[RickyFitts]

53 minutes ago, LSD-Rumi said:

JFK Jr. is such a piece of shit, He kissed Trump's nasty ass so he could get some position in his administration. It all makes sense now. 

Don't speak ill of the dead, bro. Now RFK Jr. I'm not so sure about, he does seem to be prone to conspiracy theories which isn't really what I want in a government official. Bad enough that lunatics like Marjorie-Taylor Greene are getting elected to Congress.

[Consept]

1 hour ago, LSD-Rumi said:

JFK Jr. is such a piece of shit, He kissed Trump's nasty ass so he could get some position in his administration. It all makes sense now. 

It's always been pretty clear, he agreed to drop out of the race if Trump offered him a position that he wanted. There's a video of him talking to Trump on the phone before he endorses him. An anti-vaxxer with a brain worm is now in charge of the health of Americans.

[lostingenosmaze]

49 minutes ago, sholomar said:

 

Nice disinformation, b*got. Look at all the devils in the comments buttering her up to join their brainwashed cult. Reminds me of how the Buddhists arrogantly preach their "humble" teachings. Disgusting. To the apolitical gulag with you!

Edited Friday at 12:30 PM by lostingenosmaze

[Nemra]

Sylvester Stallone praises Trump at AFPI event:

Also, AFPI is a conservative think tank.

Edited Friday at 12:54 PM by Nemra

[Raze]

9 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Kamala was not too woke.

People are just misinformed fools.

But far-leftists who refuse to vote for Biden over Trump are useful idiots to fascists.

You can be progressive and still vote strategically for centrist liberals. That's what I do. It's not at all hard. But if your leftism has turned into ideology, then it is hard for you.

Blaming far leftists for this is insane. Kamala did worse than Biden with every demographic except white men. Jill Stein got half the votes she got in 2016. 
 

Kamala didn’t run a woke campaign, but republicans still exploited wokeness and associated her with it. They had a very effective ad about democrats supporting trans surgeries for prisoners for example.

Edited Friday at 02:03 PM by Raze

[LSD-Rumi]

27 minutes ago, Raze said:

Blaming far leftists for this is insane. Kamala did worse than Biden with every demographic except white men. Jill Stein got half the votes she got in 2016. 
 

Kamala didn’t run a woke campaign, but republicans still exploited wokeness and associated her with it. They had a very effective ad about democrats supporting trans surgeries for prisoners for example.

I think people didn't vote for Kamala, because she was similar to Biden in vibes and policies. People didn't see clear and abrupt changes in their lives in Biden administration especially with the prices hike, so they were like why bother.

Edited Friday at 02:28 PM by LSD-Rumi

[zurew]

2 hours ago, RickyFitts said:

 Now RFK Jr. I'm not so sure about, he does seem to be prone to conspiracy theories which isn't really what I want in a government official.

Him being prone to it is an understatement. Bro is trying his hardest to max out on schizophrenia.  I would expect narratives like this from neo-nazis and from Nick Fuentes.

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COVID-19 is targeted to attack Caucasians and Black people. The people who are most immune are Ashkenazi Jews and Chinese

https://x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/1857172784008577253

 

[Raze]

 

[RickyFitts]

3 hours ago, zurew said:

Him being prone to it is an understatement. Bro is trying his hardest to max out on schizophrenia.  I would expect narratives like this from neo-nazis and from Nick Fuentes.

I was originally going to call him a complete crackpot but I figured I'd moderate my language. Then I heard about what you said and also that he thinks they're putting chemicals in the water that are turning kids gay and I'm thinking I really shouldn't have bothered:

 

[Nemra]

My intuition tells me that development level has played a huge role in the election.

Most countries are conservative, and it's quite sad for me to see the U.S. regressing. By learning about the politics in the U.S., I understood that my progressive views are not that extreme/radical compared to some the views of the people in the U.S. It gave me perspective.

Edited Friday at 07:01 PM by Nemra

[Raze]

 

[Soul_Guy]

10 hours ago, LSD-Rumi said:

JFK Jr. is such a piece of shit, He kissed Trump's nasty ass so he could get some position in his administration. It all makes sense now. 

Well to be fair, try to see it from his point of view. He's super passionate and truly believes he can bring positive change to the world, and he realized that endorsing Trump was the only way he could do that. I think it’s less about him being power-hungry and more about a genuine desire to create the positive change he believes he’s capable of achieving. Now whether he will be able to do that under Trump - we will see - but he was kind of backed into a corner here.

[zazen]

Interesting to hear why people leave the left, even starting way back 6 years ago with the walk away campaign. 

Isn't it funny how its democracy when people vote the right way, but populism when they vote the wrong way? What else is Democracy but the popular will of the people, isn't that just populism? But of course they tarnish the word and associate bad with it if the will of the people wakes up to oppose elite interests.

People are sick of the promises of polite incremental change. The world order they've lived through has eroded the living standards of the working and middle classes for decades under neoliberal policies that promised prosperity but failed to deliver. This isn’t just a failure of governance - it’s a betrayal of an entire social contract. And now, the reckoning is here.

Populism is surging because people are aware on some primal level, that the old rules no longer work. They may not diagnose the problem correctly, but no one can say their disillusionment isn't real. They’ll go as far as to vote for drastic change, because tinkering at the edges of a broken system is no longer enough. Incrementalism is a dead creed when the crisis is perceived as existential. So people are now demanding transformation - not a slow, hesitant crawl from a position of centrism, but a restructuring bordering on the revolutionary.

Just as bacteria evolve to resist antibiotics, the collective consciousness has evolved to resist the numbing effects of incremental change. The body politic has built up antibodies. The usual medicines of tweaks and tax cuts no longer work because the disease has mutated, while the establishment keeps prescribing the same weak cure.

The rise of non-establishment figures like Trump and others reflects this reality. People aren’t flocking to them because they’re perfect or even trustworthy. They’re rallying around them because they don’t play by the rules of the establishment that has failed them. And why would an establishment figure, who is established, upset that established status quo. 

Incumbent parties are crumbling across the globe because people are awake to their own disillusionment - yet not awake enough to see that their populist saviors may not be the solution. They know that the rules need to changed, maybe even smashed and rebuilt anew. So they’re not buying the centrist pitch that the system can be salvaged with a few tweaks and a fresh coat of paint.

Trump’s return to power is a symptom of this shift, not its cause. While his solutions may be flawed, chaotic, or even destructive, his rise is a reflection of a deeper truth: the people no longer trust the neoliberal technocrats who hollowed out their futures while pretending to care. They are willing to bet on someone who will challenge the system, even if that means risking chaos, because the alternative is unacceptable.

The era of establishment dominance is ending because people have lived through the decline. They’ve felt the weight of the system’s failures in their wallets, their health, their communities.

Anyone remotely aware of the rise and fall of nations and cycles of history will most likely understand not to entrust such faith in these populist figures promising change for the better - the behemoth tide of history is beyond any one person, party or presidential terms salvation. We are caught in that tide. A different party may just ride that wave a bit better than the other, and with a different color surf board. But there's no way out but through.

Edited yesterday at 12:25 AM by zazen

[Leo Gura]

Progressives and leftists have a lot of wrong ideas about the realities of how society works. Which is why they keep never winning. And they need someone to blame for the holes in their own worldview, so they blame centrist liberals.

This game they play is obvious, but not to them.

Bernie Sanders cannot win a primary. Until you admit this your politics is silly.

Edited yesterday at 02:50 AM by Leo Gura

[Nemra]

14 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Bernie Sanders cannot win a primary.

Because of his policies or the people?

[Leo Gura]

7 minutes ago, Nemra said:

Because of his policies or the people?

You tell me. Why did he lose to Biden?

But don't invent bullshit excuses.

Edited yesterday at 03:08 AM by Leo Gura

[Raze]

28 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Progressives and leftists have a lot of wrong ideas about the realities of how society works. Which is why they keep never winning. And they need someone to blame for the holes in their own worldview, so they blame centrist liberals.

This game they play is obvious, but not to them.

Bernie Sanders cannot win a primary. Until you admit this your politics is silly.

Because primary voters are a small segment of the population with specific views, what they like isn’t necessarily what the general electorate will like.

Polls found Bernie would beat Trump by 10 points in a general election.

Edited yesterday at 03:11 AM by Raze

[Nemra]

4 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

You tell me. Why did he lose to Biden?

I don't know, as I wasn't following the 2020 election. I'll look into it.

[Hardkill]

 

[PurpleTree]

Dems in 2028: Ok guys, you chewed our ear off about him, you wanted somebody different than the establishment. You wanted someone honestly fighting for your rights and not just for wall street.

Here we give you Bernieeeeee

The voters: Gosh but now he’s 90 years old  😡