2024 Election Discussion General

[Schizophonia]

52 minutes ago, ryandesreu said:

The serious actualized members and moderators that are Donald Trump supporters are tongue in cheek. It's the only explanation.

Fortunately internet is here to allow you to let off stream.

[ryandesreu]

 

 

[zazen]

Chamath Palihapitiya and Naval Ravikant

 

Edited Saturday at 11:39 PM by zazen

[Gennadiy1981]

Want to share a spiritual video about election results. After all, this suppose to be a high conscious forum.

 

[nexusoflife]

@Davino Yes I noticed this too. Many of the people on actualized don't actually apply any of what Leo says. They don't read books. They dont practice nonduality. They don't experiment with consciousness. They simply mentally masturbate to his videos. It is sad and disrespectful. As someone who has been on the nondual path for a decade now I clearly recognize all beings as pure consciousness and inherent aspects of myself as consciousness. Thusly I don't say this from a place of rejection but from a place of disappointment in the collective consciousness of our species. However on a relative level if you are someone who would vote for trump, yet watch Leo's content; its clear that you aren't assimilating the information and might as well not watch his videos at all.

[Bobby_2021]

More compassion is the only way out.

If you are stuck, more compassion. 

Then have more compassion.

This is the way you get peace.

 

[zazen]

I would recommend people start spending some time on X and see the type of discussions and information being shared as to not be blindsided by reality.

 

 

Edited Sunday at 09:32 AM by zazen

[Kid A]

18 hours ago, Davino said:

I find no greater insult than being aware of Actualized.org and voting for Trump.

I was thinking the other day, lmao Leo took almost a decade to build such an amazing repository of wisdom and insights to find out many of his viewers, serious forum members, fall for something as crude as Trump. It must be so painful 

His plans for future Actualized.org are to build roads for higher maturity and Tier 2 human evolution, yet many of his viewers would vote for Trump. It's absolutely preposterous!

Couldn’t agree more.
Seeing support for Trump on this forum is like finding a dead mouse in your food.

[zurew]

10 minutes ago, zazen said:

I would recommend people start spending some time on X and see the type of discussions and information being shared as to not be blindsided by reality.

What you are doing there is bottom of the barrel garbage. Its becoming more and more clear how some of you engage with information and how you do your "research".

Do you have an argument to defend any of the claims made in those tweets or you are here to steer shit up and ask "isn't that weird" questions?

[Socrates]

@zazen <- why is this shitposter allowed in here ? @Leo Gura 

[PurpleTree]

 

Trump and his team watching Harris speech.

[zazen]

On 04/11/2024 at 11:29 AM, zazen said:

We have to look very clearly and not get lost in personalities and popcorn politics that each sides fringes inflame. It's about which mental framework (of each party) is more conducive to a productive society, and which stifles it. Trump printed a lot of money in his term, and made plenty of mistakes - this time around I believe he has wiser minds around him who want to change a status quo that simply isn't working for enough people who are betting on change, even if it means they invite a chance of some chaos.

The two key issues are economic and security (border and domestic) - socio cultural issues are also important, but economics and security take priority. This is the problem of the left, prioritization. It's not that identity and inclusion don't matter - it's that they can't matter more than a society's foundations weakening, a societies bones becoming arthritic because its overweight from bureaucratic bloat weighing down its functionality and to which leftist politics generally adds to via expansion of the state. You can have the most inclusive team on the Titanic, but if no ones watching out for icebergs, everyone drowns equally. You can have ''soft on crime'' progressive policies, but what does this misplaced compassion matter if it renders the citizens incapable of walking safely at night, or the viability of a business staying open. For example - California reclassified non-violent offenses such as theft of property valued under 950 dollars to be a misdemeanor.

This is the symptom of late stage empires in decline. When empires grow in dominance, power and abundance, this brings decadence. Decadence leads to delusions and the luxury of being able to play with immutable laws of nature (economic, behavioral, and in today's case biological). Decadence allows the denial of these laws, which leads to decline. It's where feelings matter more than functionality, comfort over capability, and equality of outcome matter over merit and quality. Resources not going to foundational issues but that instead go to managing microaggressions, DEI and the pronoun police - is decadent. Forget deficit spending, we are decadent spending, and the bills coming due - just ask Boeing who dismantled their DEI team a few days ago. Decadence allows us to ignore reality, but not its consequences - and the con in consequence, is that it's sequenced into nature, and asserts itself eventually. 

When the pie shrinks, it deranges politics and society. So the question is: what ideological framing underpinning each party helps grow that pie better. A society can't print its way out of debt. It needs to grow out of it. You can't print prosperity, it needs to be built. You can't legislate your way to abundance. Production, discipline and unity isn't just policy - it's survival programming written in the blood of every fallen civilization. It's the immune system fighting off the virus of decadence. Strength isn't optional and reality isn't democratic. Conservatism isn't a return to the past (although a faction do want to regress) its a turn to the past to see where we deviated and to remember what made a nation rise. The so called progressives ironically wouldn't have the luxury of dabbling in progressive policy if it wasn't for a more conservative past. But now we must revisit the principles that made a nation strong, and integrate them. It's about taking two steps back from the cliff of decadence and decline, so we can progress down the line.

Any politics or frameworks that abides by the principles of what is productive yet humane, is the better one imo.  If progressive policies work so well, why are countless businesses and people leaving California? Going to Texas and Florida. Why should those policies and the ideological framework underpinning them be scaled nation wide? Progressives believe in state enlargement , because their framework requires it - they enable a bureaucratic priesthood that regulates a nation into just being regular. That's what Kamala stands for - Keep America Mediocre And Lacking Ambition. Dems would rather have a department for the pronoun police whilst Republicans will have a department of government efficiency.  A nation doesn't always lose its greatness by having barbarians at the gates, it loses it one regulation, one permit, one decadent policy policing human nature - at a time. America calls itself the land of the free- yet it's the country with the most laws.

This is how the managerial / administrative / permanent state kills a nation. First, it creates agencies to regulate everything. Then it staffs them with bureaucrats who's job depends on them saying no rather than yes to things. Then they require constant expansion to justify their existence. Instead of governing, they end up suffocating and stifling. Businesses can't thrive in a maze of regulatory quick sand only corporations can afford to navigate. And the backbone and health of a nation is its middle class. A nation so obsessed with controlling outcomes regulates itself into paralysis.

Americans need to remember who they are - citizens, not subjects, subject to a higher authority. The state is supposed to serve the citizens, not suffocate them. Across the pond in UK, we are subjects under the monarchy. Though rarely exercised, the King has the power to decline the formation of a new government during the tradition called ''kissing of hands'' where permission to govern is sought. Though only ceremonial today, it has a odd affect on the psyche of a nation.

Trumps politics isn't a blueprint for the long term, he's more of a antibiotic to the current swinging of America into a state of unhealthiness. He can't be the lifestyle, neither can the extremist MAGA supporters be the base for the longevity of America. But imo, its a much needed correction to get back on course - the danger is in over-correction. If the Democrats could auto-correct themselves, things would have been fine, but the ideological capture of leftism prevents that - and it has seeped into the institutions which require deep work. This is the enemy within.

 

19 hours ago, zazen said:

If people started moving from the right to the left would we start questioning their sanity the same way?

The lefts failure is due to the same false utopian premises they base their movement on much like how communism fails in the real world when reality grinds its operational gears, and human behaviour ie incentives prevent the outcomes their good intentions hope to achieve. 

When we put equality over and above quality, and sacrifice merit on the altar of equity - where do we expect people with talent or value are going to go? Where it’s valued.

Every time we try to enforce equality through top down control, we create a new hierarchy - a bureaucratic aristocracy who try to equalise human nature - as if flattening mountain peaks is even possible.

The competent people, the innovators and the mavericks won’t sit around waiting to be sacrificed on the altar of equity. They’ll leave for places merit still matters. It's just basic human nature, like water finding its way around a dam.

The irony is: The more force we use trying to make everyone equal, the more inequality we create between places that embrace this ideology and places that don't. Just like the brain drain phenomena of geopolitics, except on a internal political scale. 

@zurew @Socrates

Whats wrong in what was shared? Trump calling for unity and to help alleviate the debt of the Harris Campaign? https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4982339-dnc-official-calls-harris-campaign-a-disaster/amp/

Theres different perspectives which seem to be on two different time lines of history - maybe USA needs a two state solution. Its good to know the other side.

I’ve posted before about understanding the issue more deeply which I’ve shared above and below:

Neoliberal capitalism is doing exactly what its critics have warned about - concentrating wealth while causing mass discontent that goes beyond borders and even continents. The media machine serves these parasitic vampire elites by gas lighting the public into thinking its raining while they're being pissed on. The lived reality hugely differs to the portrayed one which is why when Trump blurts out 'fake news' so many resonate with it.

The global nature of populist movements counters the idea that these grievances are just installed and not true. How did Trump and Tucker cause farmer protests across Europe or give rise to populists in Brazil - was their a demagog conference where they taught their best tricks in demagoguery?

People are responding to conditions that transcend national boundaries, because bipartisan neoliberalism transcends boundaries to serve a transnational elite class of vultures - it hasn't worked well enough, for enough people. Young people are locked out of a housing market they're parents easily entered, student debt and health care costs are high, stagnant wages, the 2008 housing crash followed by bank bail outs, lies about war after war, poll after poll showing trust in institutions were already in the basement before Trump ever came https://news.gallup.com/poll/1597/confidence-institutions.aspx

Trump didn't create a crises of legitimacy. Western institutions have long nuked their credibility before his cheeky grin rode down that gold escalator in Trump tower, and their burying the remains of it in the rubble of Gaza. Demagogues don't create the conditions they exploit.

Edited Sunday at 10:38 AM by zazen

[Javfly33]

@ryandesreu @Davino @Kid A @whh2222 @Ulax After a couple of days informing myself about the political US scene and watching several interviews in Joe Rogan I absolutely declare myself a Trump supporter, not only that but I truly remark again you guys have completely got it backwards and US and the world will benefit a lot from this new mandate. 

The bad guys, the closedmindness, fanaticals and extremists are what you guys call the 'left', and the "right" is now the new outsiders and modern people.

As I said previously in this topic, you as well as others are falling in the trick of mainstream media which are selling you a single pointed view which always benefits democrats and shits on republicans, cherrypicking facts and news.

In summary, and I said this 3-4 years ago, the system had made you a trick on your minds. Basically what you think is progressive, modern and conscious is actually the most closedmindness, fanatical and extremist (woke culture, etc...) and what your system calls as right wing or conservative is what is actually now the modern and conscious perspective.

Yes, I am saying to vote Trump you have to be more conscious that you have to be vote Kamala. You lack the consciousness to get this now but you will get it in the future. 

Edited Sunday at 10:43 AM by Javfly33

[Nemra]

People would believe Trump instead of doing fact-checking and following investigative journalists. 🥲

[Kid A]

35 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

After a couple of days informing myself about the political US scene and watching several interviews in Joe Rogan I absolutely declare myself a Trump supporter

Learning about the world through The Joe Rogan Experience is kind of like learning about the world through Hollywood blockbusters. Yes, his guests are interesting, but they are interesting usually because they have the most explosive, shocking, negative or contrary perspective to share. This is of course a major problem with all media and news sources, but that podcast is really bad here.

I remember I stopped listening to the podcast after my brother had heard an episode with a sleep expert and was now convinced that his life was in danger because he didn’t get nine hours of sleep at night. Gave me a big insight into the nature of the podcast.

[Salvijus]

21 hours ago, Davino said:

I find no greater insult than being aware of Actualized.org and voting for Trump.

I was thinking the other day, lmao Leo took almost a decade to build such an amazing repository of wisdom and insights to find out many of his viewers, serious forum members, fall for something as crude as Trump. It must be so painful 

His plans for future Actualized.org are to build roads for higher maturity and Tier 2 human evolution, yet many of his viewers would vote for Trump. It's absolutely preposterous!

I don't think there has ever been two people with the same opinions in everything. Even the most concious people on the planet have differences in opinion. There's a lot of growth and wisdom that can be gained by learning to appreciate everyone's view points and seeing how they arrived at it rather than immediately assuming other opinions are dumb. 

Edited Sunday at 11:28 AM by Salvijus

[voxun]

https://youtu.be/xJfUXVOoFBo?si=J62AHqPwpYMz09l1

Edited Sunday at 11:50 AM by voxun

[Applegarden8]

21 hours ago, Davino said:

Who cares about power and human drama?

I you and everyone else cares about the pettiest, shittiest, insignificant drama and even more... everyone cares about power because it directly affects your rights.

[Ulax]

1 hour ago, Javfly33 said:

@ryandesreu @Davino @Kid A @whh2222 @Ulax After a couple of days informing myself about the political US scene and watching several interviews in Joe Rogan I absolutely declare myself a Trump supporter, not only that but I truly remark again you guys have completely got it backwards and US and the world will benefit a lot from this new mandate. 

The bad guys, the closedmindness, fanaticals and extremists are what you guys call the 'left', and the "right" is now the new outsiders and modern people.

As I said previously in this topic, you as well as others are falling in the trick of mainstream media which are selling you a single pointed view which always benefits democrats and shits on republicans, cherrypicking facts and news.

In summary, and I said this 3-4 years ago, the system had made you a trick on your minds. Basically what you think is progressive, modern and conscious is actually the most closedmindness, fanatical and extremist (woke culture, etc...) and what your system calls as right wing or conservative is what is actually now the modern and conscious perspective.

Yes, I am saying to vote Trump you have to be more conscious that you have to be vote Kamala. You lack the consciousness to get this now but you will get it in the future. 

Okay.

What are the actual arguments that make you favour trump over Harris? 

[Nemra]

I think Trump won because the idiots couldn't admit their own ignorance.