2024 Election Discussion General

[Talinn]

I predict a U.S. invasion of either Canada or Mexico by the 2030's.

[strange-connections]

2 hours ago, zazen said:

Exactly. Progressing into what?

This image is key to understanding why the Republicans not only won, but won bigly.

Look at trump’s diet.

[Davino]

6 hours ago, zazen said:

Maybe it's not about a simplistic ladder like view of development, and we should instead see the different values and worldviews as interdependent and mutually reinforcing. In fact its better to view it like a pyramid where stage red is the base. We need the warrior of stage red to protect us, the order of blue to stabilise us, the innovation of orange to excel us, the humanity of green to be fair, and the systems of yellow to tie all them together in balance.

That's what the model says in fact. Although not as different worldviews coexisting and serving different purposes but as totally integrative levels. As Ken Wilber puts it: Integrate and trascend. A fully green individual, has to own all its orange tendencies, the blue ones and so on... Otherwise you have failed subjects in your record.

6 hours ago, zazen said:

Exactly! Stage green sucks at survival to the point we can't have a society orient around those values as they neither produce wealth nor safety which is why people are leaving Cali.

Stages take a lot of time to developed, be implemented and make their roots into society. This process is very messy and involves a lot of trial and error. It's the same as femenism, the first waves were important at that point, yet found limitations as time progressed. So it is the same, green comes in waves and as the limitations are seen, they are polished and better integrated, one goes back and understands the remaining subjects.

6 hours ago, zazen said:

Also, it’s not like these values in a “higher stage” weren’t available to humanity before or aren’t even being lived out by people right now across the political aisle or border. Indigenous people were living out green values in harmony with the earth before we had pronouns or became vegan.

That's classic purple. They have no chance but to live in harmony with nature because failing to do so implies death.

Once human is developed enough to bend nature to its will you get orange

When the limitations of such approach kick our own ass, humans wise up enough for stage green to happen

6 hours ago, zazen said:

The conservative old church lady probably bakes cookies for her neighbours in rural America whilst a liberal Karen who has “Kindness is everything” as her bio shouts at the barista for getting her coffee order wrong.

The conservative blue does it out of order and because it is written so. Many times is just an execution and programming rather than a conscious will to make the good. They plenty call and do evil, in their self-rigtheousness.

The green has a moral shadow that will be sobered up in yellow. It is important to reflect the devilry around and that's why it is so annyoing, it serves that function although it cannot live up to its ideals and therefore lives in a fantasy of its own.

[Davino]

3 hours ago, zazen said:

Lmao, love it

They are pure archetypes. Elections are archetypal manifestations, that's all

 

[Talinn]

Be wary of misinformation, it's absolutely everywhere. I'm not sure where that information came from or what it refers to (I'm assuming it's supposed to depict the secretary).

The current secretary is Xavier Becerra..


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Secretary_of_Health_and_Human_Services#Line_of_succession

[Nemra]

Haven't we learned yet that looks are deceiving?

The person who made that image doesn't even understand what comparison means. Lol.

Maybe the person has forgotten what RFK sounds like when talking and also about the brain worm.

[Talinn]

The Gen Z guys on Reddit are saying they voted for Trump because they're sick of women and gay people making all the video games.

I don't know guys.

[Raze]

4 minutes ago, Talinn said:

The Gen Z guys on Reddit are saying they voted for Trump because they're sick of women and gay people making all the video games.

I don't know guys.

Reddit is hardline pro Kamala, pro trump sentiment gets you banned from most big subreddits.

[What Am I]

6 minutes ago, Talinn said:

The Gen Z guys on Reddit are saying they voted for Trump because they're sick of women and gay people making all the video games.

I don't know guys.

Very immature reasoning for sure.

There was previously a Dem sentiment to lower the voting age. I wonder if that one's being reconsidered. Leaving important choices in the hands of children probably has predictable drawbacks, in the sense that they're unreliable in their allegiances and they're necessarily lacking in life experience and wisdom.

Edited November 7 by What Am I

[What Am I]

2 minutes ago, Raze said:

Reddit is hardline pro Kamala, pro trump sentiment gets you banned from most big subreddits.

Well that's definitely true. Even my tepid lack of left-leaning conformity would get my ass tossed within an hour on Reddit.

[zazen]

@Davino Good points, I’ve witnessed how religious people mechanically gesture out of a belief it will bless them in the after life, but also met many who do genuinely care and also have green values. I think if people met more people around the world from developing countries they”d be surprised and think twice before psychoanalytically boxing each human into a certain stage. The framework is decent in general but not exhaustive of the whole human.

@Talinn

https://www.hhs.gov/about/leadership/rachel-levine.html

 

@Nemra RFK has a speech condition. He’s written on holistic health and reps out pull ups. He’s got chesticles so big his pronouns may as well be her/she.

Humour aside: The RFK comparison captures the cultural discontent between liberals who want to dismantle conventions and conservatives who want to dismantle the cultural institutions that do so.

Edited November 7 by zazen

[Davino]

2 minutes ago, zazen said:

I think if people met more people around the world from developing countries they'd be surprised and think twice before psychoanalytically boxing each human into a certain stage. The framework is decent in general but not exhaustive of the whole human.

I agree

There very nice simple men and women arround the globe

They chop wood, carry water

Are nice and live an ordinary life

You don't need to do this work, nor become an evolved Alien Mind to be happy or decent

[Davino]

45 minutes ago, Talinn said:

Be wary of misinformation, it's absolutely everywhere. I'm not sure where that information came from or what it refers to (I'm assuming it's supposed to depict the secretary).

Thanks for the factual check

Misinformation also runs on archetypes if you notice

[Raze]

Another issue is the young.

I assumed the future is progressive after how young voters seemed more left leaning and how much they supported Bernie. But it looks like Hillary and Kamala alienated them especially men, keeping in mind political beliefs usually get set in at this age it shows the  right still has a future. The whole Bernie bro narrative was really effective in causing this I believe.

[Gidiot]

@DocWatts you were a great poster and all of your posts are amazing and well thought out, you will be missed.

@aurum you are wise as well. 
 

too many drinking the trump kool aid in here. might dip soon, I’ve been around since inception of the politics forum and there’s certainly been a rightward shift. Just an observation.

[Nemra]

29 minutes ago, zazen said:

RFK has a speech condition.

I know.

I said it because the person on the left side is pictured as if he doesn't care about his health and doesn't have any conditions.

29 minutes ago, zazen said:

The RFK comparison captures the cultural discontent between liberals who want to dismantle conventions and conservatives who want to dismantle the cultural institutions that do so.

Mindsets aside, who misinforms more, is more corrupt, and wants to make people's lives way more difficult?

Edited November 7 by Nemra

[Scholar]

4 minutes ago, Raze said:

Another issue is the young.

I assumed the future is progressive after how young voters seemed more left leaning and how much they supported Bernie. But it looks like Hillary and Kamala alienated them especially men, keeping in mind political beliefs usually get set in at this age it shows the  right still has a future. The whole Bernie bro narrative was really effective in causing this I believe.

I would wager that for younger voters, Joe Rogan + Elon Musk propaganda apparatus might have done a lot of the work here.

[Raze]

10 minutes ago, Scholar said:

I would wager that for younger voters, Joe Rogan + Elon Musk propaganda apparatus might have done a lot of the work here.

That only happened this year, the chart shows they were already shifting that way.

[Joshe]

17 minutes ago, Scholar said:

I would wager that for younger voters, Joe Rogan + Elon Musk propaganda apparatus might have done a lot of the work here.

There's no doubt in my mind that without Elon and Rogan, Trump would have lost. I think Elon alone was enough but IDK. I'm very curious how effective his lottery was. Lots of people love the lottery. The same people bitching about eggs probably spend $50/wk on gas station lotto tickets. 

Also, their influence swayed more demographics than just young men. I'd say it impacted all men and those men influenced other demographics, like the women who date them.

Edited November 7 by Joshe

[What Am I]

3 minutes ago, Joshe said:

There's no doubt in my mind that without Elon and Rogan, Trump would have lost.

Quite possibly. It was a massive conglomeration of variables. The superhero team, the podcast appearances, the assassination attempts, etc. I remember thinking that if Trump wasn't elected this time, it's just simply impossible, because the lining up of advancing factors was epic in scope and impact.