2024 Election Discussion General

[Bobby_2021]

3 minutes ago, Frylock said:

What wrecked economy? Unemployment rates have been extremely low, inflation stabilized, and economists agree that America had navigated the economic kickback from the COVID-19 pandemic better than most other developed nation.

But oh, uhh, milk prices raised $0.70 two years ago! Biden presidential era bad, bring back orange man!

In tech circles that I am in we hear stories of mass layoffs everyday and even more people living in anxiety of layoffs and career and paying rent while living paycheck to paycheck. On top of that graduates are struggling to find a job. 

Amd these people tend to be voting for dems, given that they were doing fine. Instead either they didn't show up at all or voted Trump. Trump had a decent gen z support.

We are all in different circles.

[Leo Gura]

14 minutes ago, Bobby_2021 said:

If you fail so spectacularly then maybe it's a good idea to not blame the people.

But it is precisely the people who chose.

They had a very clear, easy choice. They chose a deal with the Devil. That is purely their responsibility.

Edited 5 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Gidiot]

It’s definitely going to get bad before it gets better, the us will be lucky to survive this presidency, and will suffer from it for decades to come, red house red senate red presidency and red Supreme Court is a sort of ethnocentric American fascism the likes of which we’ve never seen. And these guys are corrupt as hell

[Scholar]

Stage Orange is interesting here because it is purely opportunistic. It used Stage Green when it served it, and now as stage green is undermining some of it's core values like freedom, it is basically using stage blue for it's purposes. Elon Musk is doing this in his completely inauthentic appeal to traditional values and outdated "common sense". Blue is dying, so it only makes sense for Orange to use it's past, but now non-threatening and pacified arch nemesis to hinder green from becoming the dominant value system.

This is also why the election to Trump leads to toxic green, because green resists more and more against the attempts to hinder it from growing.

[aurum]

5 minutes ago, Bobby_2021 said:

People don't care about minority rights and green bullshit.

They are not ignorant in doing that. Appease minorities and you get minority votes. She couldn't even garner minority votes, properly to be frank.

And how come you lose everything. Senate, house, popular vote everything. Every single swing state. This is not a small mistake. 

If you fail so spectacularly then maybe it's a good idea to not blame the people.

Thinking all Kamala brought to the table was "minority rights" and "green bullshit" is ignorance. 

[Nivsch]

12 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I dispute this notion of "many" of them. A few of them. The core MAGA base hates Obama.

The racism is real. Which is why Trump last week called him Barack *Hussein* Obama.

Ok, probably the hard core didn't, but still plenty of Trump's strong supporters.

Edited 5 hours ago by Nivsch

[Pox]

2 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Watch out for this kind of fear mongering.  He's Hitler!  He's going to start WW3!!!  He's the devil!  He's corrupt!

The guy hasn't even gotten into office yet and in his last four years there was absolutely no wars.  So this is a really big blind spot the left has because they want to attack his character.  And when we look at the nation as a whole they say we don't understand politics.  So be careful not to buy too much into the leftist propaganda it's very powerful. 

The Libyan civil war: Military operations took place in 2016. 

The Syrian civil war: This conflict began in 2011 and continued through 2020. The number of armed groups involved in the war grew from eight to several thousand. 

The Yemeni civil war: This conflict began in 2014 and continued through 2020. 

The Nagorno-Karabakh conflict: In April 2016, intense fighting took place, killing hundreds on both sides. In September 2020, a dam broke and war resumed. 

The War in Afghanistan: This conflict began in 2001 and continued through 2020. 

The Mexican Drug War: This conflict began in 2006 and continued through 2020. 

The Iraqi Civil War: This conflict began in 2014 and continued through 2017. 

 

[What Am I]

2 minutes ago, Bobby_2021 said:

In tech circles that I am in we hear stories of mass layoffs everyday and even more people living in anxiety of layoffs and career and paying rent while living paycheck to paycheck.

100%. The tech scene in particular seems extra crazy right now.

[Lyubov]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Run truly charismatic and likeable candidates, not hollow vanilla party loyalists.

Hollow vanilla party loyalist are the direct result and all that’s capable of being produced under the neoliberal funnel, it’s all that will rise to the top in this dated model. Left wing populism is the way out. Trump saved the republicans in this effect in 2016. Dems need their version of  Trump and to evolve beyond neoliberal ideology. People don’t trust the government or institutions anymore and they want to feel smart and have a candidate that actually creates change. We need a charismatic revolutionary, nothing less. It’s time to take some risks. 

[Frylock]

5 minutes ago, Bobby_2021 said:

In tech circles that I am in we hear stories of mass layoffs everyday and even more people living in anxiety of layoffs and career and paying rent while living paycheck to paycheck. On top of that graduates are struggling to find a job. 

Amd these people tend to be voting for dems, given that they were doing fine. Instead either they didn't show up at all or voted Trump. Trump had a decent gen z support.

We are all in different circles.

Current unemployment rate is 4.1%, well within the 3 - 5% average. Last year I believe it was 3.8%.

There is no economic crisis and this is just more BS lies spread by Republicans. There is about to be a legit economic crisis, however, as soon as these tariffs hit.

Edited 5 hours ago by Frylock

[Inliytened1]

3 minutes ago, Pox said:

The Libyan civil war: Military operations took place in 2016. 

The Syrian civil war: This conflict began in 2011 and continued through 2020. The number of armed groups involved in the war grew from eight to several thousand. 

The Yemeni civil war: This conflict began in 2014 and continued through 2020. 

The Nagorno-Karabakh conflict: In April 2016, intense fighting took place, killing hundreds on both sides. In September 2020, a dam broke and war resumed. 

The War in Afghanistan: This conflict began in 2001 and continued through 2020. 

The Mexican Drug War: This conflict began in 2006 and continued through 2020. 

The Iraqi Civil War: This conflict began in 2014 and continued through 2017. 

 

All of those conflicts began before before his Presidency began other than Libya which was in the same year but what date?

Edited 5 hours ago by Inliytened1

[Joshe]

3 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Watch out for this kind of fear mongering.  He's Hitler!  He's going to start WW3!!!  He's the devil!  He's corrupt!

The guy hasn't even gotten into office yet and in his last four years there was absolutely no wars.  So this is a really big blind spot the left has because they want to attack his character.  And when we look at the nation as a whole they say we don't understand politics.  So be careful not to buy too much into the leftist propaganda it's very powerful. 

Thanks for the warning, but I do my own thinking. If you practice it enough, you can get good at it and you no longer have to rely on others to tell you what's what. 

Also, I'm not on the left. 

[Leo Gura]

12 minutes ago, Joshe said:

This isn't Trumpism anymore. It's a mutant variant and it will be far more powerful than Trumpism ever was.

People have no idea what's in store. What's going to happen is people will be so deeply and thoroughly fooled by this administration, that they will love them. Trumpism will pale in comparison to this, now that the members include Rogan, Musk, Fridman, RFK, JP, and all the other cool kids. This cult has many figureheads and it's going to be 10x what Trumpism is.

Aside from the influencer aspect, this administration has unprecedented control over the information landscape.

Putting it all together paints a picture of deception on a scale I never thought possible for the US. I can see it taking 10-20 years for the spell to break. 

Yeah. It's gonna be bad.

[What Am I]

5 minutes ago, Scholar said:

This is also why the election to Trump leads to toxic green, because green resists more and more against the attempts to hinder it from growing.

This one definitely maps on to reality. Would it be what Ken Wilber referred to as "mean green," or is that something different?

[Joshe]

3 minutes ago, What Am I said:

100%. The tech scene in particular seems extra crazy right now.

You a SWD? If so, I'd be somewhat concerned. 

[Inliytened1]

1 minute ago, Joshe said:

Thanks for the warning, but I do my own thinking. If you practice it enough, you can get good at it and you no longer have to rely on others to tell you what's what. 

Also, I'm not on the left. 

Huh?  I wasn't addressing you.  

[Joshe]

1 minute ago, Inliytened1 said:

Huh?  I wasn't addressing you.  

Haha, damn! Second time I did that today. Please excuse! I'm all fucked up! 😂

[Lyubov]

Ok look, imagine a similar Trump cult of personality type candidate that is charismatic, does the whole social media stuff and rejects mainstream media. Runs a populist / antiestablishment style campaign with Bernie Sanders type social programs, anti Israel, working class pro union message, drops all the culture war gender crap but still is pro gay marriage like the Trump campaign (they never talk about removing gay marriage rights, trump even supports gay rights), drop all identity politics which dems rely so much on, pro abortion, attack billionaire class, stay right on immigration where Harris was standing. This person could take on Trumpism. 

Edited 5 hours ago by Lyubov

[What Am I]

1 minute ago, Joshe said:

You a SWD? If so, I'd be somewhat concerned. 

Thankfully no. I know that profession is absolutely chaotic right now. My area of expertise is closer to cybersecurity.

[Lyubov]

Green is gonna get hella mean these next 4 years lol