2024 Election Discussion General

[Nivsch]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

It's not even narrative. It's about who you are and how you survive

The fact the exact same people (many of them) chose Obama in 2008, proves that 'who they are' is not an obvious thing.

[Bobby_2021]

3 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Stage Orange is a very deep stage. It can't be skipped over so easily. Most people are hung up on it.

Wrecked economy is not helping people transcend orange to be frank.

Stark underdevelopment in younger population is the result. Worst thing is that it's the young people who refuse ro even show upto vote. 

 

Edited November 7 by Bobby_2021

[aurum]

46 minutes ago, Bobby_2021 said:

Dems never used to fail this spectacularly. This is a sweeping victory for Reps, who themselves used to be incompetent in running elections.

Certainly her campaign is to blame, along with her actions in the previous administration.

She did more than enough to get elected. The people are just too ignorant. 

[Leo Gura]

4 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

The fact the exact same people (many of them) chose Obama in 2008, proves that 'who they are' is not an obvious thing.

I dispute this notion of "many" of them. A few of them. The core MAGA base hates Obama.

The racism is real. Which is why Trump last week called him Barack *Hussein* Obama.

Edited November 7 by Leo Gura

[What Am I]

2 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I dispute this notion of "many" of them. A few of them. The core MAGA base hates Obama.

It's interesting, though, because some of them did vote for Obama. It's kind of a common thing for them to bring it up.

Oops, I missed that's what Nivsch basically said in his post.

Edited November 7 by What Am I

[Hardkill]

2 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I dispute this notion of "many" of them. A few of them. The core MAGA base hates Obama.

I now really wish that Obama could've saved us from Trump.

I fear that we may never have another heroic leader like him who could save our country from this darkness we are in.

Edited November 7 by Hardkill

[Pox]

I'm not educated on politics or history, but how does yesterday's election reflect on America's collective spiral stage right now?

[Leo Gura]

10 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

I think I'd have to see him become Netanyahu before I woke up from my so called political slumber 😞 

One cup of poison yogurt is all it takes to change a mind.

Edited November 7 by Leo Gura

[Frylock]

1 minute ago, Bobby_2021 said:

Wrecked economy is not helping people transcend orange to be frank.

What wrecked economy? Unemployment rates have been extremely low, inflation stabilized, and economists agree that America had navigated the economic kickback from the COVID-19 pandemic better than most other developed nation.

But oh, uhh, milk prices raised $0.70 two years ago! Biden presidential era bad, bring back orange man!

[Joshe]

14 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Trumpism will eventually implode from its own corruption and people will beg for something liberal.

This isn't Trumpism anymore. It's a mutant variant and it will be far more powerful than Trumpism ever was.

People have no idea what's in store. What's going to happen is people will be so deeply and thoroughly fooled by this administration, that they will love them. Trumpism will pale in comparison to this, now that the members include Rogan, Musk, Fridman, RFK, JP, and all the other cool kids. This cult has many figureheads and it's going to be 10x what Trumpism is.

Aside from the influencer aspect, this administration has unprecedented control over the information landscape.

Putting it all together paints a picture of deception on a scale I never thought possible for the US. I can see it taking 10-20 years for the spell to break. 

 

 

[Raze]

1 minute ago, Hardkill said:

I now really wish that Obama could've saved us from Trump.

I fear that we may never have another heroic leader like him who could save our country from this darkness we are in.

It’s partially Obamas fault Trump won. He didn’t reform money in politics or the election system, continued wars in Iraq, Afghanistan and Syria while agreeing to trade deals that damaged the middle class. 

[Bobby_2021]

1 minute ago, aurum said:

She did more than enough to get elected. The people are just too ignorant. 

People don't care about minority rights and green bullshit.

They are not ignorant in doing that. Appease minorities and you get minority votes. She couldn't even garner minority votes, properly to be frank.

And how come you lose everything. Senate, house, popular vote everything. Every single swing state. This is not a small mistake. 

If you fail so spectacularly then maybe it's a good idea to not blame the people.

[Scholar]

2 minutes ago, What Am I said:

Interesting observation, considering the right is willing to color way outside the lines right now, for better or worse. Their narratives are fun indeed.

The left should let slip that spirituality actually exists and is achievable in human consciousness. A revelation of esoteric truths. That'd catch my attention. Though I'm not sure  you'd consider that grounded in reality, lol.

The problem is that the democrats have to appeal to stage orange voters more. The reason why all of this is weirdness is occuring is because we had a split from an orange (democrat) vs blue (republicans) dynamic into a green - orange - blue dynamic. This is why you got a lot of prior democrat voters back in 2016 switch over to republicans. 

You had a lot of people who appeared stage green, not because they were stage green, but because orange and green were interlinked at that stage, and stood against stage blue. As green became more collectivist, a lot of orange disidentified with green and went to basically create a coalition with blue.

 

This is what you see manifesting in figures like Andrew Tate and Jordan Peterson, and you can see it happening to people like Joe Rogan. The way stage green undermined stage orange felt repulsive to stage orange, and because stage blue is largely viewed as a pacified threat by stage orange, it is not taken seriously in the same way for many.

 

Everything you are seeing right now is peak orange. Elon Musk is the epitome of this stage.

[Leo Gura]

2 minutes ago, Hardkill said:

I now really wish that Obama could've saved us from Trump.

I fear that we may never have another heroic leader like him who could save our country from this darkness we are in.

No one can save us from ourselves.

[aurum]

This has been a tough day for me.

Every time I think about the fact that we are going to voluntarily turn over the White House to this guy, I want to throw up.

It absolutely makes my skin crawl.

Oh, and not enough people are talking about that we also handed them the senate and possibly the HOR. They will have full control to unleash MAGA hell.

This is real bad. Not just for the US, but for the world.

[Frylock]

3 minutes ago, Joshe said:

This isn't Trumpism anymore. It's a mutant variant and it will be far more powerful than Trumpism ever was.

People have no idea what's in store. What's going to happen is people will be so deeply and thoroughly fooled by this administration, that they will love them. Trumpism will pale in comparison to this, now that the members include Rogan, Musk, Fridman, RFK, JP, and all the other cool kids. This cult has many figureheads and it's going to be 10x what Trumpism is.

Aside from the influencer aspect, this administration has unprecedented control over the information landscape.

Putting it all together paints a picture of deception on a scale I never thought possible for the US. I can see it taking 10-20 years for the spell to break. 

I agree. Trumpism actually outgrew Trump himself, it's now systemic and doesn't need him.

Only way to break a spell like this is catastrophe, war, and/or both. Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it...

[What Am I]

1 minute ago, Scholar said:

The problem is that the democrats have to appeal to stage orange voters more. The reason why all of this is weirdness is occuring is because we had a split from an orange (democrat) vs blue (republicans) dynamic into a green - orange - blue dynamic. This is why you got a lot of prior democrat voters back in 2016 switch over to republicans. 

You had a lot of people who appeared stage green, not because they were stage green, but because orange and green were interlinked at that stage, and stood against stage blue. As green became more collectivist, a lot of orange disidentified with green and went to basically create a coalition with blue.

 

This is what you see manifesting in figures like Andrew Tate and Jordan Peterson, and you can see it happening to people like Joe Rogan. The way stage green undermined stage orange felt repulsive to stage orange, and because stage blue is largely viewed as a pacified threat by stage orange, it is not taken seriously in the same way for many.

 

Everything you are seeing right now is peak orange. Elon Musk is the epitome of this stage.

Man, I'm really doing myself a disservice by being so ignorant in SD. When laid out like this, I can see it being much easier for the logic hidden behind the scenes to click into place. Thanks for the analysis.

[Inliytened1]

8 minutes ago, AerisVahnEphelia said:

For having met a lot of people it's correct.

Trump is the kind to let without restrictions his evil run. 

But if karma is real. 

It will absolutely not look like the first presidency. This one will unleash full evil.

In fact I sense he might really start ww3 but definitely not because of being aggressive but if he suck Vladimir dicks it's going to end worst than to keep punching him.

Of course most people are so unconscious they don't see any third order effects.

No war now very good.... 

That's not how it work.

Watch out for this kind of fear mongering.  He's Hitler!  He's going to start WW3!!!  He's the devil!  He's corrupt!

The guy hasn't even gotten into office yet and in his last four years there was absolutely no wars.  So this is a really big blind spot the left has because they want to attack his character.  And when we look at the nation as a whole they say we don't understand politics.  So be careful not to buy too much into the leftist propaganda it's very powerful. 

Edited November 7 by Inliytened1

[Bobby_2021]

3 minutes ago, Frylock said:

What wrecked economy? Unemployment rates have been extremely low, inflation stabilized, and economists agree that America had navigated the economic kickback from the COVID-19 pandemic better than most other developed nation.

But oh, uhh, milk prices raised $0.70 two years ago! Biden presidential era bad, bring back orange man!

In tech circles that I am in we hear stories of mass layoffs everyday and even more people living in anxiety of layoffs and career and paying rent while living paycheck to paycheck. On top of that graduates are struggling to find a job. 

Amd these people tend to be voting for dems, given that they were doing fine. Instead either they didn't show up at all or voted Trump. Trump had a decent gen z support.

We are all in different circles.

[Leo Gura]

14 minutes ago, Bobby_2021 said:

If you fail so spectacularly then maybe it's a good idea to not blame the people.

But it is precisely the people who chose.

They had a very clear, easy choice. They chose a deal with the Devil. That is purely their responsibility.

Edited November 7 by Leo Gura