2024 Election Discussion General

[What Am I]

3 minutes ago, Raze said:

Where in project 2025 does it say no more presidential elections 

The creation of that Project 2025 document is so unfortunate, because it activated the once-dormant conspiracy mind of the left. It was probably a carefully calculated move for the media to even cover it, knowing full well what it would do to the people.

Edited November 6 by What Am I

[zazen]

I think the framework of spiral dynamics has limits in assessing things. Maybe it’s not a linear ladder or consciousness staircase to heaven. It’s not stages in a hierarchy but more so that each value is valuable in unison with the others - equally. This way we don’t spiral dynamic apartheid ourselves from the “less developed”.

It’s not like these values in a “higher stage” weren’t available to humanity before us or aren’t even being lived out by people right now across the political aisle or border. Indigenous people were living out green values in harmony with the earth before we had pronouns or became vegan.

We need the warrior of stage red to protect us, the order of blue to stabilise us, the innovation of orange to excel us, the humanity of green to be fair, and the systems of yellow to tie all them together.

The conservative old church lady probably bakes cookies for her neighbours in rural America whilst a liberal Karen who has “Kindness is everything” as her bio shouts at the barista for getting her coffee order wrong. Maybe we need to cool it with the self congratulatory back patting for having reached stage green as if it’s some revelation only urbanite liberals are privy to for having read Ken Wilber.

I need learn and to ponder on this some more..

[Raze]

Bernie Sanders full statement:

https://x.com/BernieSanders/status/1854271157135941698

it’s a good biting analysis. He doesn’t just say racism and vibes.

[Thorsten Fuzzi]

4 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

RFK is a buffoon.

Please elaborate. I'm not very familiar with US politics, but wasn't he an environmental lawyer or something?

Edited November 6 by Thorsten Fuzzi

[Leo Gura]

1 minute ago, What Am I said:

The creation of that Project 2025 document is so unfortunate, because it activated the once-dormant conspiracy mind of the left. It was probably a calculated move for the media to even cover it, knowing full well what it would do to the people.

Don't bullshit us.

[Thought Art]

@Raze We would have to see what happens as the traditional checks and balances are eroded away. Espcially if trump starts shutting down mainstream news he doesn't like which I've seen interviews of him talking about.

Many believe he never lost in 2020. So, if you think he won't try to stay in power you'd be wrong I think is safe to say.

[Ahbapx]

This election showed me how naive you all are, yes most of you are in top 10% ,

yet somehow none of you see how an unconscious collaboration this was from both sides of left wing and right wing.

 

They are all unconsciously working together, switching sides, switching slogans, switching  ideas and policies

forget about all this left vs right, republican vs democrat, capitalist vs socialist,

NONE of them is better concept than the opposite of it.

 

 

They are there so people in the top can milk you, the people in the top do not care about these concepts as much as you do, all they care about is to win, and they trust the system, they know 2 years from now they can be completely new person and still adjust their believes and words accordingly.

 

 

 

[Raze]

2 minutes ago, Hardkill said:

No, he has talked about this many times!

Ever since 2000, he has only predicted the winner of the Electoral College because of the demographic changes that began in 2000

 

That’s just the excuse he made afterwards to justify it.

 But there is no excusing 2024, the keys are nonsense, they always were.

[Leo Gura]

1 minute ago, Raze said:

the keys are nonsense, they always were.

Of course they were nonsense. "Science" for suckers.

Edited November 6 by Leo Gura

[Thought Art]

The problem is human bottleneck of learning too slowly and not being able to process at higher levels of consciousness. Our minds are ill suited for this age.

[Thorsten Fuzzi]

3 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

Many believe he never lost in 2020

This is so funny

[Leo Gura]

4 minutes ago, Thorsten Fuzzi said:

but wasn't he an environmental lawyer or something?

Giuliani was a good public prosecutor, and look what he turned into over the years. A cartoon villain.

People can lose their minds over time.

Edited November 6 by Leo Gura

[Raze]

The only hope is a anti establishment dem winning the democratic primary and completely kicking out all the establishment figures in their positions 

Then focusing their base to ignore and blacklist the pundit class

Basically anyone who supported Hillary in the 2016 primary and said Biden should stay in the race should be gone from any position of influence with democrats, at the very least. Not just the campaign teams, but party officials and media pundits. Ideally politicians as well.

This should have happened after 2016 or after Biden dropped. This election was a absolute repudiation of establishment dems, they will never change, their only goal is to push unpopular proposals, use identity politics to divide and distract the dem base, and they are so hated they just lose over and over. 
 

If they manage to stay put and continue to be the filter dem candidates have to pass through a republican is going to Reagan level landslide eventually,

Edited November 6 by Raze

[Husseinisdoingfine]

Is Trump actually going to Federally ban abortion? He himself said that if such a bill arrived on his desk, he would veto it.

[Thought Art]

1 minute ago, Thorsten Fuzzi said:

This is so funny

He has never admitted to losing either. Because he never admits to losing ever.

[What Am I]

3 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Don't bullshit us.

I'm not questioning the validity of the Project 2025 documents themselves. My point is in the conspiratorial tendency that can activate in a psyche. It's like a paranoia that's an inherent potential in human psychology. I believe that to begin thinking this way is damaging to the left, even if it's simultaneously informing them.

[Thought Art]

Just now, Husseinisdoingfine said:

Is Trump actually going to Federally ban abortion? He himself said that if such a bill arrived on his desk, he would veto it.

Yet, he put people in power to make it illegal? He is a liar. What do liars do?

[Nemra]

1 minute ago, What Am I said:

The creation of that Project 2025 document is so unfortunate, because it activated the once-dormant conspiracy mind of the left. It was probably a carefully calculated move for the media to even cover it, knowing full well what it would do to the people.

It is real.

If Trump is distancing himself from it, that doesn't mean it's not real.

[Thought Art]

@What Am I It's a literal document that exists and can be read. The people who wrote it are part of Trumps whole community, etc.

[BlackPhil]

14 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

It does sounds very hyperbolic and unrealistic. Especially with people like RFK, Elon etc. on board. But maybe he just used them to get voted in and then Bam off to the gulag with them.

 

17 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

As I wrote here: https://www.actualized.org/insights/2024-election-prediction

"A second Trump term would be absolutely disastrous. It will be by far the most corrupt form of government that America has ever had, by an order of magnitude. The corruption will be horrific and unimaginable. Expect war, violence, abuse of power at unprecedented scale, loss of many freedoms, Federal ban on abortion, white supremacy, Christian theocracy, criminals in the White House, fraud, corporate exploitation, gutting of all good regulations, a generation-long destruction of the Supreme Court, erosion of the legal system, concentration camps for migrants, abuse of all types of minorities, gross incompetence and mismanagement, poisoning of the food and water supply, pardoning of elite criminals, stock market collapse, crypto market collapse, and perhaps the end of democracy and elections. I’m not saying this will happen with 100% certainty, but it’s reasonably probable — which is a completely irresponsible thing to gamble with."

Thinking this will happen is a result of existing in an echo-chamber and blindly believing the MSM and democrat-lies.

In reality they constantly take what Trump says out of context in order to portray him much worse than he is.

Here is one of countless examples of them doing just that:

Another example is people promoting the idea that Trump told people to violently attack the capitol when in reality he wrote the opposite on twitter that very day (before they censored it ofc): https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GRIBqjxXgAA6DBI?format=png&name=small