2024 Election Discussion General

[PurpleTree]

7 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

What’s the difference between fascism and populism?

https://qz.com/847040/the-key-difference-between-populism-and-fascism

[Raze]

4 minutes ago, Raze said:

I predicted this 3 years ago 

 

[Leo Gura]

4 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

Especially with people like RFK, Elon etc. on board. But maybe he just used them to get voted in and then Bam off to the gulag with them.

Don't get it wrong. People like RFK and Elon will never end up in a camp.

You're taking elites and oligarchs and wondering what bad will happen to them. That's not how this works. Oligarchs will be the ones profiting off all the misery of the lower classes.

Edited 11 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Thought Art]

1 minute ago, Lyubov said:

How would Trump possibly cancel elections? Explain to me how that is possible or could be done. Sounds to me like the left wing version of eating cats and dogs.  

There are videos of trump saying this. 

Trump said it with his own mouth. "Just this time, you won't have to do it anymore."

 

[bambi]

1 minute ago, Consept said:

Ah i see youre not able to engage with hypotheticals. I'll have to work around you. 

So would you say, if you agree with your chatgpt assessment, that someone with 8/10 facist traits, although not a facist in your estimation, is a good choice for a leader? And why do you think that if so? 

 

I just want to commend you on your subtle condescencion, its the perfect amount

No, I dont see him as a good choice as a leader, but look around the world, theyre all corrupt as fuck lol! Look at the arab nations, Id chose Trump.

I understand your concern, Trump has fascist traits, theyre not actually my main issue though, I think you are always going to face some type of extremsit ideology if you want to disrupt any established system, albeit I agree Trump is not a good candidate for true honest systemic change and reform

I just dont see what the fascist nomenclature is bringing here, its derailing an honest critique of him

 

[PurpleTree]

Just now, Consept said:

Putin did it, he's been power for decades now 

 

Yea but Russia didn’t have 100s of years of democracy and as many checks and balances.

[Hardkill]

1 minute ago, Raze said:

Last 10 minutes here is brutal, Allan Lichtman was absolutely crushed and humiliated, his 13 keys exposed as frauds

 

Well, he got only 1 wrong out of 11 predictions since he made his very first prediction in 1982 of Reagan winning the 1984 election. He has been a long time consultant of both the Republican and Democratic parties.

[Raze]

Just now, Thought Art said:

Trump said it with his own mouth. "Just this time, you won't have to do it anymore."

that’s clearly because this is his last term

[Raze]

Just now, Hardkill said:

Well, he got only 1 wrong out of 11 predictions since he made his very first prediction in 1982 of Reagan winning the 1984 election. He has been a long time consultant of both the Republican and Democratic parties.

No, his model was on the popular vote and he thought trump would get the popular vote in 2016. 
 

He is discredited. 

[bambi]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

Don't get it wrong. People like RFK and Elon will never end up in a camp.

You're taking oligarchs and wondering what bad will happen to them. That's not how this works. Oligarchs will be the ones profiting off all the misery of the lower classes.

Do you honestly see Musk et al, (Peter thiel is partner with Vance in a firm), as being complicit in camps and the level of opression you are depicting?

Its this type of convo that leaves me boggled. Ive watched Thiel Musk etc quite alot of the years, and I just dont see how you are deriving to anywhere near to the picutre your painting, its discombobulating 

[UnbornTao]

 

Edited 1 hour ago by UnbornTao

[PurpleTree]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

Don't get it wrong. People like RFK and Elon will never end up in a camp.

You're taking oligarchs and wondering what bad will happen to them. That's not how this works. Oligarchs will be the ones profiting off all the misery of the lower classes.

Yea but i mean RFK seems to honestly care about the environment. Elon cares about tech stuff, freedom etc.

Trump cares about nothing really seemingly but when he has for example RFK as an advisor he might listen a bit.

[Thought Art]

@Raze Did you watch it? He says "We'll have it fixed so good your not gonna have to vote". And, what is written in project 2025?

[Thought Art]

Just now, PurpleTree said:

Yea but i mean RFK seems to honestly care about the environment. Elon cares about tech stuff, freedom etc.

Trump cares about nothing really seemingly but when he has for example RFK as an advisor he might listen a bit.

You guys have no idea who Elon actually is.

[Leo Gura]

1 minute ago, bambi said:

Do you honestly see Musk et al, (Peter thiel is partner with Vance in a firm), as being complicit in camps and the level of opression you are depicting?

Its this type of convo that leaves me boggled. Ive watched Thiel Musk etc quite alot of the years, and I just dont see how you are deriving to anywhere near to the picutre your painting, its discombobulating 

Again, you are imagining things which I am not saying. I am not saying there will be Nazi concentration camps.

America is not Naiz Germany. This is not the 1930s. It will look very different.

[Raze]

1 minute ago, Thought Art said:

@Raze Did you watch it? He says "We'll have it fixed so good your not gonna have to vote". And, what is written in project 2025?

Where in project 2025 does it say no more presidential elections 

[Consept]

1 minute ago, bambi said:

I just want to commend you on your subtle condescencion, its the perfect amount

No, I dont see him as a good choice as a leader, but look around the world, theyre all corrupt as fuck lol! Look at the arab nations, Id chose Trump.

I understand your concern, Trump has fascist traits, theyre not actually my main issue though, I think you are always going to face some type of extremsit ideology if you want to disrupt any established system, albeit I agree Trump is not a good candidate for true honest systemic change and reform

I just dont see what the fascist nomenclature is bringing here, its derailing an honest critique of him

 

Thanks

Really I think the facist talk is valid in terms of tracking what he might do. If we're being real he does have facist traits, at their worst and given absolute power we have history of what can happen. This isn't to say that he'll do what Hitler but we can look at the effects of shutting down media or being ultra nationalist and the other traits that have been brought up. It definitely has value if we talk about it honestly. I agree if we use it as a dismissive insult it's useless, but if we delve into the actual meaning a d history of facism it makes a lot of sense in the context of Trump 

[Scarecrow]

6 minutes ago, Raze said:

I predicted this 3 years ago 

 

I never understood why he's considered racist 

[Leo Gura]

5 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

RFK seems to honestly care about the environment. Elon cares about tech stuff, freedom etc.

RFK is a delusional buffoon.

Elon is just a typical industrialist/capitalist/oligarch. Nothing new here. Plenty of them in Nazi Germany or Russia.

Edited 10 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Hardkill]

1 minute ago, Raze said:

No, his model was on the popular vote and he thought trump would get the popular vote in 2016. 
 

He is discredited. 

No, he has talked about this many times!

Ever since 2000, he has only predicted the winner of the Electoral College because of the demographic changes that began in 2000.