2024 Election Discussion General

[What Am I]

@Leo Gura be careful, I get the feeling you could radicalize Hardkill if you wanted to, lol.

[Leo Gura]

6 minutes ago, Happy Lizard said:

@Leo Gura is the solution just an Orange stage president that’s actually decent? Seems a hell lot better than Trump, though the bitch is no orange stage guy (and it unfortunately it gonna have to be a guy) could compete with Yakuza boss energy Trump.

The solution is exactly whatever unfolds in reality.

The solution is to fail, fail, and fail with immaturity until people wise up and grow up.

[Thought Art]

1 hour ago, bambi said:

Becuase I am much more intelligent then you, so its insufferable to you.

Change your attitude man. 

Edited November 6 by Thought Art

[Leo Gura]

4 minutes ago, bambi said:

No I get you point: Trump is corrupt, self-serving and selfish, and this has severe consequences to an inclusive, fair and honest society.

Its just as AI says its more accurate to say he has fascist qualities under a authoriarian or right wing populist stance, its more accurate.

Why should I do Trump the grace of being extra accurate about his brand of bullshit and corruption?

Since when has Trump or MAGA cared about accuracy?

While Trump and his goons are robbing the government blind I'm supposed to worry about whether my labels of his corruption are not as accurate as possible? Excuse me, but no. That's not a game I'm going to play.

If Trump is going to behave as he behaves then I will have not qualms about calling him a fascist. You don't get to police my language when Trump's felonies are not even policed in court.

Edited November 6 by Leo Gura

[bambi]

Just now, Thought Art said:

Change your attitude man. 

This is utterly poor and bias moderation, all my posts you are qouting are in direct response to  unprovoked attacks and condescncion towards me, yet you dont even begin to address it, shame on you

[Raze]

4 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I already explained this elsewhere many times.

People vote on vibes, cultural issues, personalities, and stage of development -- not policy.

So should democrats run famous people like Tom Hanks or Oprah?

[Leo Gura]

1 minute ago, Raze said:

So should democrats run famous people like Tom Hanks or Oprah?

I am very against electing any kind of celebrity into office. This is not serious governance. That's a clown show akin to Trumpism.

Edited November 6 by Leo Gura

[bambi]

4 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Why should I do Trump the grace of being extra accurate about his brand of bullshit and corruption?

Since when has Trump or MAGA cared about accuracy?

While Trump and his goons are robbing the government blind I'm supposed to worry about whether my labels of his corruption are not as accurate as possible? Excuse me, but no. That's not a game I'm going to play.

Not doing it for Trump, but for a productive discussion. The exagarration or sensationalism makes it harder to be productive in my view.

I understand the frustration towards he blinding self-serving corruption, but I believe accurate analysis is the best response.

For example I just posted shortly ago Scott Galloways analysis and its balanced and insightful to me

Edited November 6 by bambi

[Thought Art]

@bambi Telling people you are more intelligent than them, not really providing any counter evidence to your points, nor receiving any. You act rude and condescending. 

You think JD Vance is an intelligent and good person.

Yet, he is Vice President to Trump who is a serial criminal and chronic liar. Hmm, clearly he must be a person of solid integrity by association.

Edited November 6 by Thought Art

[PurpleTree]

2 minutes ago, Raze said:

So should democrats run famous people like Tom Hanks or Oprah?

Gosh Forest Gump as president.

[Leo Gura]

9 minutes ago, Scarecrow said:

Still need some to tell me why he’s a fascist. Hard proof. I really need it. Im Interested

I'm not playing that game either.

If it's not obvious to you, if you don't want to read a book to learn what fascism really is, then I am not going to explain it. The time for that is over. You've had 8 years to figure it out.

At this point I am not in the business of explaining Trump to people. I have done that enough and the time for that is over. Now you watch the chaos unfold.

Edited November 6 by Leo Gura

[Hardkill]

5 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I already explained this elsewhere many times.

People vote on vibes, cultural issues, personalities, and stage of development -- not policy.

I get that, but then what's the point of taking polling data on how popular these issues are? Do they have any use?

 

[bambi]

Just now, Thought Art said:

@bambi Telling people you are more intelligent than them, not really providing any counter evidence, nor receiving any. You act rude and condescending. 

No, you totally missed how this post was in direct and purposeful response to someone elses unprovoked disrespect and condescension towards me. Please recheck properly my friend

[Leo Gura]

2 minutes ago, bambi said:

The exagarration or sensationalism makes it harder to be productive in my view.

It's not exaggeration. Things will get much worse than people imagine.

Edited November 6 by Leo Gura

[bambi]

Just now, Leo Gura said:

It's not exaggeration. Things will get much more than people imagine.

How do you see the next 4 years going realistically then, what are your core concerns and predictions.

I actually think Trumps need for vanity will be beneficial this time round. He will be less polarizing and make more policies inline with the young capilaist elite. 

Edited November 6 by bambi

[Raze]

3 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I am very against electing any kind of celebrity into office. This is not serious governance. That's a clown show akin to Trumpism.

But if it’s all about charisma and vibes why not, they are the best at that, and have tons of fans

In the end they will just listen to the same advisors

Edited November 6 by Raze

[Consept]

8 minutes ago, bambi said:

We all have traits to different degrees of different idealogies. You are clearly deeply biased against him. You see him in the same league as true fascists like Hitler or Mussolini, which is utterly absurd to me, but bias is blinding as they say.

No you're strawmanning me I didn't say he was in the same league as Hitler or Mussolini, we wouldn't even know if he was because he probably won't get the same power as them. 

I've played your game, you're using chatgpt and my answer was close to it anyway and you're still saying I'm biased lol. 

Why don't you engage with the question? Do you think it's safe for a leader to have a high level of facist traits? And as an analogy would it be safe for a teacher around kids has a lot of pedophile traits without being strictly defined as a pedophile? 

Point being a strict definition doesn't really matter. Let's hear the mental gymnastics 

 

[Scarecrow]

Just now, Leo Gura said:

I'm not playing that game either.

If it's not obvious to you. If you don't want to read a book to learn what fascism really is, then I am not going to explain it. The time for that is over. You've had 8 years to figure it out.

About what I expected 😑 but Thankyou for answering. I’ll move on

[PurpleTree]

What’s the difference between fascism and populism?

[bambi]

Just now, Consept said:

No you're strawmanning me I didn't say he was in the same league as Hitler or Mussolini, we wouldn't even know if he was because he probably won't get the same power as them. 

I've played your game, you're using chatgpt and my answer was close to it anyway and you're still saying I'm biased lol. 

Why don't you engage with the question? Do you think it's safe for a leader to have a high level of facist traits? And as an analogy would it be safe for a teacher around kids has a lot of pedophile traits without being strictly defined as a pedophile? 

Point being a strict definition doesn't really matter. Let's hear the mental gymnastics 

 

The correct analogy here would be having teachers that admit to being attracted to physically developed 15-16-17-18 year old girls, or behaviours that show that they are.

Its an unofrtunate truth of human nature. I dont see Trumps level of fascist traits equal to pedophilia propensities, Im sorry