2024 Election Discussion General

[Thought Art]

44 minutes ago, bambi said:

See this is just empty and baseless rhetoric that has no place in a serious political discussion, Im sorry, 1/10

It's not baseless. We don't need to spell everything out for you. 

[Consept]

9 minutes ago, bambi said:

Its the fact you want to call him a fascist, but this is an oversimplificaiton and incorrect assesment. Neither GPT4o or Claude agreed with the label, yet you did, this is your bias

They said he has a lot of facist traits but doesnt meet the strict definition. Which i would agree with. Do you not think its kinda worrying for a leader to have facist traits? 

it's kinda like saying a primary school teacher isn't by the strictest definition a pedophile but they score highly on 8 out of 10 traits of a pedophile, I'm probably not gonna trust me kids with that teacher, don't know about you 

 

[Lyubov]

2 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Realistically it won't ever get to the general. And by the time it does, it will be smeared as gay trans feminist communism.

Left wing working class Bernie populism with less pronouns could do really well, it needs reworking and rebranding but it can be done. It's at least a way forward, Neocon / Neoliberal is dead. 

Edited 11 hours ago by Lyubov

[What Am I]

Damn! I hate Dan Crenshaw, but he just came in with a brutal line on Piers Morgan when talking to Cenk and Krystal.

"Now that the election is over, are Democrats still now in favor of doing away with the filibuster and packing the supreme court? Or are those now not part of the Democrat platform?"

They were silent.

Just savage.

Edited 11 hours ago by What Am I

[Happy Lizard]

@Leo Gura is the solution just an Orange stage president that’s actually decent? Seems a hell lot better than Trump, though the bitch is no orange stage guy (and it unfortunately it gonna have to be a guy) could compete with Yakuza boss energy Trump. 
 

Apparently green is too far form where the US is at, but also if you think of how many underdeveloped people in this country it’s actually the one reason why green have no chance.

[Scarecrow]

Just now, Something Funny said:

You are on an actualized.org forum, if you are not able to watch actualized.org video, learning the basic ideas and concepts that people use here, then there is no point to discuss anything.

I already told you. He is full of shit. He is a person who will literally say or act in anyway he needs to in order to get what he wants. There is no point using Joe Rogan interview as an example of anything because his words are worth nothing. 

If you are unable to recognize this after observing him for 10 minutes, then there is nothing I can do to change your mind, because once again, we come back to the issue I've raised in the very beginning: your people reading skills suck. It is something that relies heavily on intuition and on your brain working to make lots of non-verbal calculations and pattern recognitions, which is a completely different skillset from trying to debate people on a forum.

You are clearly hyper logical, and possibly autistic, which is why this might be so hard for you to understand.

 

One of the most dumb things I’ve ever heard. Jsut an assumption

[Thought Art]

Green was the worst thing to happen to the Democrats. 

Democrats, should have stuck to classic liberalism, and focused on equal opportunity, etc.

I am sure there is more too it obviously.

Kamala is largely a stage Orange president. She fights for equal opportunity which is very Orange. Just not toxic Orange.

Edited 11 hours ago by Thought Art

[bambi]

1 minute ago, Thought Art said:

It's not baseless. We don't need to spell everything out for you. 

It is baseless, and if you think he posited any semblence of an attempt at argument and dicussion then your blind my friend. I urge you to put his posts through a LLM to educate yourself properly

[Something Funny]

1 minute ago, Scarecrow said:

One of the most dumb things I’ve ever heard. Jsut an assumption

Baseless rhetoric, not a serious argument, sorry: 1/10

[Hardkill]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

Realistically it won't ever get to the general. And by the time it does, it will be smeared as gay trans feminist communism.

I honestly don't see what to forward to with our society.

Also, so much for you saying that the world has become more civilized and developed than ever before. 

What are we doing to now about free speech now that Trump and MAGA will eliminate it completely with his newfound power?

[Thought Art]

@bambi My bad, I actually don't know what you are talking about. JD Vance seems to be a person who is deeply hypocritical though. "My mom Got Healthcare under Trump" referring to Obama Care.

Edited 11 hours ago by Thought Art

[Leo Gura]

1) Fascism has multiple means: There is capital F Fascism and there is lower case f fascism. Books have been written about this. We are calling him a lower case f fascist. That does not mean he's Hitler.

2) Why should I subsume my intelligence to an AI? This is a misuse of AI. AI does not understand nor foresee the kind of disastrous consequences and corruption that Trump brings into government. Only a human mind can foresee such things. At least for now. Don't let AI do your thinking for you. You need to make novel connections yourself.

Edited 11 hours ago by Leo Gura

[bambi]

2 minutes ago, Consept said:

They said he has a lot of facist traits but doesnt meet the strict definition. Which i would agree with. Do you not think its kinda worrying for a leader to have facist traits? 

it's kinda like saying a primary school teacher isn't by the strictest definition a pedophile but they score highly on 8 out of 10 traits of a pedophile, I'm probably not gonna trust me kids with that teacher, don't know about you 

 

We all have traits to different degrees of different idealogies. You are clearly deeply biased against him. You see him in the same league as true fascists like Hitler or Mussolini, which is utterly absurd to me, but bias is blinding as they say.

[Raze]

4 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Realistically it won't ever get to the general. And by the time it does, it will be smeared as gay trans feminist communism.

Even though people say they want change, in reality they don't. People don't take kindly to radical new ideas. They want to feel safe and comfortable, not to radically change their minds. That's why all this leftist talk of populism is silly.

What about the polling data showing most support progressive proposals like paid family leave, single payer healthcare, removing money from politics, etc?

[lostingenosmaze]

@Thought Art Why even reply in the first place?

[Hardkill]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

1) Fascism has multiple means: There is capital F Fascism and there is lower case f fascism. Books have been written about this. We are calling him a lower case f fascist.

2) Why should I subsume my intelligence to an AI? This is a misuse of AI. AI does not understand nor foresee the kind of disastrous consequences and corruption that Trump brings into government.

Are you planning to fight back against fascism in this country?

[Thought Art]

@lostingenosmaze Well, I thought I understood at the time, realized I didn't and apologized. I am willing to admit my wrongs.

[fanta]

@Leo Gura

Could you very shortly describe how stage yellow politics would work?

And when it comes to walking up the spiral of the different stages (from my thinking and understanding), society will go in a way where politicians will get higher integrity and better morals where they for example manage the resources in a more responsible and selfless way, which give the people prosperity and a better life which makes the people trust them more resulting in a positive feedback-loop. People get more empathy and willingness to help less fortunate. 

What do you think about this?

[Leo Gura]

1 minute ago, Raze said:

What about the polling data showing most support progressive proposals like paid family leave, single payer healthcare, removing money from politics, etc?

I already explained this elsewhere many times.

People vote on vibes, cultural issues, personalities, and stage of development -- not policy.

[bambi]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

1) Fascism has multiple means: There is capital F Fascism and there is lower case f fascism. Books have been written about this. We are calling him a lower case f fascist.

2) Why should I subsume my intelligence to an AI? This is a misuse of AI. AI does not understand nor foresee the kind of disastrous consequences and corruption that Trump brings into government.

No I get you point: Trump is corrupt, self-serving and selfish, and this has severe consequences to an inclusive, fair and honest society.

Its just as AI says its more accurate to say he has fascist qualities under a authoriarian or right wing populist stance, its more accurate.