2024 Election Discussion General

[Leo Gura]

9 minutes ago, BlackPhil said:

Well, are you for democracy or not? Sounds like you think "low developed people" shouldn't have a vote or something. That's true fascism if anything.

I'm not rejecting Trump's victory. He won democratically. But for democracy to be effective it requires the education of the public. The corruption of education and media leads to a corruption of democracy.

I'm not saying low developed people shouldn't have a vote.

In the end, America got the hyper-capitalist Orange fascist that represents American values and character. Hyper Orange.

As I've said before, Orange capitalism is eating itself alive. That's what we see here. The corruptions of hyper capitalism are becoming toxic and cancerous. Trump is the embodiment of that cancer. But that cancer infects of minds of most Americans. So in that sense democracy has worked. A cancerous people are reflected in a cancerous leader.

Edited Wednesday at 10:41 PM by Leo Gura

[Lyubov]

6 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Half country the sits out. Nothing new in that. That's just because most people don't care about politics at all.

15 million is huge though. Biden had 81 million... Kamal 66 million. I don't think that's just because she was a woman. Dems have not been able to build a working coalition with every group that wants to be a part of this party. I actively have been called a bigot by members of this party because I don't agree with everything this party pushes.

I would have had to take out an afternoon from my day to go vote, coming out of my working time, not to mention the election is set up in a way where only certain states determine who wins. I can not vote in a swing state, only the state I was last registered in so my vote automatically goes to blue state Delaware. I see myself as alienated. These swing states make me wonder what's even the point in voting for president if you don't live in one.

 

Edited Wednesday at 10:37 PM by Lyubov

[Leo Gura]

2 minutes ago, Extreme Z7 said:

I think I remember you calling Harrris the "safe" choice before. Guess you were wrong on that?

Safe relative to who? Biden? Yeah, Harris was better than Biden.

Safe relative to Trump? Yeah. Harris was better than Trump.

Edited Wednesday at 10:37 PM by Leo Gura

[Something Funny]

Just now, bambi said:

Notice how not a single one of them give any serious critique citing specifics, its just senstionalist baseless bias rhetoric with 0 substance, ironically doing the very thing they claim him of being lol!

Nobody is going to waste their time doing point by point breakdown of why JD Vance is full of shit for some online troll. Send me 200 bucks in bitcoin and I will make one for you if you are serious.

[Raze]

Trump didn’t get much more votes than he did in 2020, dems just got way less.

It isn’t just racism and stage orange, Obama won on a more stage green platform than he ended up doing in office. 

Not to mention early analysis is showing trump didn’t do better with whites than he did in 2020, he just did way better with blacks and Latinos which lead to his victory.

People who voted dem are just tired of them accomplishing little and thinking they will always have their votes to stop the lesser of two evils 

[bambi]

1 minute ago, Something Funny said:

Nobody is going to waste their time doing point by point breakdown of why JD Vance is full of shit for some online troll. Send me 200 bucks in bitcoin and I will make one for you if you are serious.

You havent made a single post that is above 1 or 2/10. Not a single one. Why even engage if your attitude is so poor? Its not even possible to have any discussion with you even if we disagree, bizarre

[Extreme Z7]

3 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Safe relative to who? Biden? Yeah, Harris was better than Biden.

Gavin Newsom was the guy I was thinking of, and the only other name I remember.
I'm Filipino, I don't follow US politics *that* closely. Though, I may moving forward.

Edited Wednesday at 10:40 PM by Extreme Z7

[Consept]

@bambi 

Is that chatgpt bias as well because it's pretty similar to what I said. He hasn't gelot full control like Hitler did in terms of Militarism but he has lots of aspects of fascism. Out of 10 points I said 7 out of 10 were trump and chatgpt gave 6 points 6/10 or higher so I wasn't too far off. I am probably biased against him but even with the bias I was only slightly off. In fact Cladeo rated 8 points as over 6/10 or higher, only 1 6/10 as well, maybe that AI is more bias than me, I don't know. 

What do you think would be a high enough rating to be a little worried about his negative impact? Or do you believe having facist traits could be good for a leader? Cos that could be an argument 

 

[Something Funny]

Just now, bambi said:

You havent made a single post that is above 1 or 2/10. Not a single one. Why even engage if your attitude is so poor? Its not even possible to have any discussion with you even if we disagree, bizarre

Have you made any points? You are a 1 trick pony that answer every comment with the same thing. And then you expect people to have a serious discussion with you. I've already shared a video, which had the most important point I wanted to raise. You ignored it. How about you provide any worthwhile arguments and I will critique them for you?

[Lyubov]

left wing populism is the way forward 

[Leo Gura]

2 minutes ago, Extreme Z7 said:

Gavin Newsom is the only other name I remember.
I'm Filipino, I don't follow US politics *that* closely. Though, I may moving forward.

Newsom is way better than Kamala, but he wasn't really a choice. He refused to run.

[Inliytened1]

1 hour ago, kray said:

It’s because she’s a black women. That’s as simple as it gets. Not a lot of people in this country are ready for that in all honesty.

Here we go with excuses.  She lost because she wasn't going to do anything different than Biden did.  And this wasn't going to be enough for the American people who wanted change.

[Leo Gura]

1 minute ago, Lyubov said:

left wing populism is the way forward 

No it isn't. That's the point progressives miss.

An even higher stage of development is not going to fly.

Edited Wednesday at 10:44 PM by Leo Gura

[Lyubov]

Just now, Leo Gura said:

No it isn't. That's the point.

I have no solutions to offer for this problem then. I will just sit back and see how things unfold and what changes for the better / worse

[PurpleTree]

8 minutes ago, Scarecrow said:

Yeah I hear a lot about him being weird. It’s intresting. I always liked him. I think he’s cool🤷‍♂️

I don’t know much about him honestly. I guess i’ll learn more about him in the upcoming years. Especially if Trump gets whacked.

 

[Husseinisdoingfine]

I thought California was riddled with crime because of how relaxed the punishments are for shoplifting?

[PurpleTree]

Just now, Husseinisdoingfine said:

I thought California was riddled with crime because of how relaxed the punishments are for shoplifting?

That’s what Ana Kasparian said seemingly.

[Raze]

4 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

No it isn't. That's the point progressives miss.

An even higher stage of development is not going to fly.

The exact same demographics trump did better with now were the ones Bernie sanders did better with than Hillary 

[Consept]

I think the dems messed up not backing Bernie in the last 2 elections, he would've been the perfect counter foil for Trump 

[bambi]

2 minutes ago, Something Funny said:

Have you made any points? You are a 1 trick pony that answer every comment with the same thing. And then you expect people to have a serious discussion with you. I've already shared a video, which had the most important point I wanted to raise. You ignored it. How about you provide any worthwhile arguments and I will critique them for you?

What are you talking about? You hoenstly think posting long videos is some type of serious good faith discussion?

Lets try to see if we can get on a level, we dont have to agree, but surely you can engage in a dicussion, Ill start:

While JD Vance is clearly going to benfit commercially from being Trumps VP; he has vested interested in venture capailism, and has many pro-capialsit friends, its clear this will benefit him and those around him. However with that said, hes clearly intellignet and with the boundaries of his own self-itnerests (private markets, unregulated markets), to my view he wants to genuinely help america. To me hes credible and capable intellectually, he isn't like Hariss or Trump (both incompetent). I dont agree with all of Vances view or positions, but he often admits when he doesnt know something and doesnt overstep (Rogan podcasts). What exactly about him to you dislike or disagree with