2024 Election Discussion General

[BlackPhil]

1 minute ago, Thetruthseeker said:

@Consept thanks for your thoughts. It’s cleared things up for me a bit. 
 

I guess one would have hoped with brand being ‘stage green’ as an example in Leo’s videos, and turning to yoga, meditation. Etc it’s just disappointing that it feels like he’d gone more ‘right wing’ and backwards in his psychology lately and turned to manipulation. I didn’t think that was too common where people went from Green to aspects of the lower stages. But then the ego is always there dragging people back 😂

You need to step out of that model and step into reality. Much of the things you call being of a "higher stage" is just old pagan practices doing a comeback. The spiral dynamics model is very flawed so dont make a religion out of it.

[zurew]

20 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

"everyone who voted for the opposite side must be either corrupt, or insane, or evil, or stupid, and I'm about to get really salty and triggered about it and make a lot of noise wherever I can. And I'm going to join with my like minded people and form a glee club where we can trash opposite side together to give each other validation, crackle, crackle". - Mister ego. 

"There is no such thing as a genuinely mentally ill person or such a thing as a more detached view from reality. All set of facts and all explanations and views have the exact same validity to them. Its never okay to call others stupid or insane, or bad faith since that is impossible and non-existent. The idea that someone would be mainly motivated by money and push narratives that he/she doesn't genuinely believe in is just impossible and shouldn't ever be considered as a possibility" - person, who desperately tries to collect social credit and validation for how developed and wise they are.

Edited 19 hours ago by zurew

[Salvijus]

1 hour ago, Consept said:

Its not a cope bro, Russell Brand is a grifter, hes literally selling (or most likely being paid to sell) a magical amulet that claims it blocks out 'signals' 

 

I tried to find the original video but couldn't. I think he was joking. In the beginning of the video he says. "I just came back from Narnia" Lol wtf. It sounds more like he was just messing around. 

But even if he was selling amulets, I don't see how that would be a proof of his lack of honesty, integrity, or intellectual capacity. 

Edited 19 hours ago by Salvijus

[Thetruthseeker]

5 minutes ago, BlackPhil said:

You need to step out of that model and step into reality. Much of the things you call being of a "higher stage" is just old pagan practices doing a comeback. The spiral dynamics model is very flawed so dont make a religion out of it.

No I get that… but still, it is rare and don’t you find it odd with people like Brand, Rogan, Musk who are all well educated and developed and after everything they’ve gone through all the development, all the aspects of deeper practices (like spiritual practices for Brand) that after all that.. they’ve gone to promote Trump, manipulate, power grab… etc.

I mean, it doesn’t take much to realise Trump and his ways. 

it’s just disappointing when they obviously have developed in a lot of ways to promote the way they have 

 

[Alex4]

8 minutes ago, Thetruthseeker said:

@Consept thanks for your thoughts. It’s cleared things up for me a bit. 
 

I guess one would have hoped with brand being ‘stage green’ as an example in Leo’s videos, and turning to yoga, meditation. Etc it’s just disappointing that it feels like he’d gone more ‘right wing’ and backwards in his psychology lately and turned to manipulation. I didn’t think that was too common where people went from Green to aspects of the lower stages. But then the ego is always there dragging people back 😂

Stage blue/orange feels so fucking cozy and safe. That's something all time liberals just don’t understand. These past few days, I’ve been remembering how I felt when I was right-winger, and I admit I've felt a bit nostalgic. You go through life believing you have the solution to everything, feeling a sense of unity with your neighbors and your backwards family, and seeing yourself as a true patriot who thinks they're saving the country. Moving to stage green is scary, there's a lot of uncertainty.

[PurpleTree]

2 minutes ago, Thetruthseeker said:

No I get that… but still, it is rare and don’t you find it odd with people like Brand, Rogan, Musk who are all well educated and developed and after everything they’ve gone through all the development, all the aspects of deeper practices (like spiritual practices for Brand) that after all that.. they’ve gone to promote Trump, manipulate, power grab… etc.

I mean, it doesn’t take much to realise Trump and his ways. 

it’s just disappointing when they obviously have developed in a lot of ways to promote the way they have 

 

Well you know Hitler was an art student. Vegetarian. Into spirituality and occult seemingly. Loooved dogs btw.

[Consept]

5 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

And even mainstream media spread misinformation. Like with Ivermectin for example. Calling it a horse dewormer and laughing about it is just not really the truth either.

I agree, I think its a problem with having such partisan news. Here in the UK we have laws where news on TV cant actually be biased, they can only give campaign ads equal time on TV as well. Im not saying there wont be biased slipped in but there is a lot of regulation around it. People say that the BBC is really left in its reporting but theres a stark difference between that and CNN or Fox, conservatives and labour politicians are often on programs at the same time. I think America sufferers from not having a mainstream state funded, central news channel, at the this point even if they did no one would watch it so its pointless but having such partisan media has had a big effect. 

9 minutes ago, Thetruthseeker said:

@Consept thanks for your thoughts. It’s cleared things up for me a bit. 
 

I guess one would have hoped with brand being ‘stage green’ as an example in Leo’s videos, and turning to yoga, meditation. Etc it’s just disappointing that it feels like he’d gone more ‘right wing’ and backwards in his psychology lately and turned to manipulation. I didn’t think that was too common where people went from Green to aspects of the lower stages. But then the ego is always there dragging people back 😂

No worries man. Yeah its sad for me to see Brands I would say decline (i guess maga would say rise) I actually really like him before when he was a presenter and then especially when he did trews and got into meditation and stuff, I thought he could really do some good. 

What I think has happened is he hasnt really addressed the issues with his ego, which has always been a problem for him. When he got into spirituality, which i do think was genuine, he felt that he no longer needed the celebrity lifestyle, money, fame etc but he probably didnt really transcend it, got bored and the nsaw the opportunity, again during covid to get all that back and even more to be seen as some kind of saviour and just went with it. 

The shift to religion and maga, i didnt expect, but it kinda makes sense in that he was alienating a lot of people with his rhetoric and also sexual abuse allegations and i think the ones that did support him were maga. So to keep that ego train going he brought in maga. I dont think any of this was done consciously btw, in his mind he probably thinks hes doing good and is enlightened. I just think his ego is always hunting to be accepted and adored, he has always been like that, its just taken different forms

[Salvijus]

1 hour ago, zurew said:

The idea that someone would be mainly motivated by money and push narratives that he/she doesn't genuinely believe in is just impossible and shouldn't ever be considered as a possibilit

If I gave the impression that that's my stance then I apologize. I don't hold such views. 

[Salvijus]

1 hour ago, zurew said:

There is no such thing as a genuinely mentally ill person or such a thing as a more detached view from reality. All set of facts and all explanations and views have the exact same validity to them. Its never okay to call others stupid or insane, or bad faith since that is impossible and non-existent

With a bit of correction you were close to discribe my position but not quite. But nice try. 

[Thought Art]

Well, good luck. 
 

I am pretty sure Kamala is more stage Orange than green. 

US just threw a lot away.

Edited 19 hours ago by Thought Art

[PurpleTree]

4 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

Well, good luck. 
 

I am pretty sure Kamala is more stage Orange than green. 

US just threw a lot away.

But Trumps fat face. It’s orange.

 

Edited 19 hours ago by PurpleTree

[Thetruthseeker]

7 minutes ago, Consept said:

I agree, I think its a problem with having such partisan news. Here in the UK we have laws where news on TV cant actually be biased, they can only give campaign ads equal time on TV as well. Im not saying there wont be biased slipped in but there is a lot of regulation around it. People say that the BBC is really left in its reporting but theres a stark difference between that and CNN or Fox, conservatives and labour politicians are often on programs at the same time. I think America sufferers from not having a mainstream state funded, central news channel, at the this point even if they did no one would watch it so its pointless but having such partisan media has had a big effect. 

No worries man. Yeah its sad for me to see Brands I would say decline (i guess maga would say rise) I actually really like him before when he was a presenter and then especially when he did trews and got into meditation and stuff, I thought he could really do some good. 

What I think has happened is he hasnt really addressed the issues with his ego, which has always been a problem for him. When he got into spirituality, which i do think was genuine, he felt that he no longer needed the celebrity lifestyle, money, fame etc but he probably didnt really transcend it, got bored and the nsaw the opportunity, again during covid to get all that back and even more to be seen as some kind of saviour and just went with it. 

The shift to religion and maga, i didnt expect, but it kinda makes sense in that he was alienating a lot of people with his rhetoric and also sexual abuse allegations and i think the ones that did support him were maga. So to keep that ego train going he brought in maga. I dont think any of this was done consciously btw, in his mind he probably thinks hes doing good and is enlightened. I just think his ego is always hunting to be accepted and adored, he has always been like that, its just taken different forms

Great thoughts. I agree and thanks for some clarification. 

[Consept]

5 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

I tried to find the original video but couldn't. I think he was joking. In the beginning of the video he says. "I just came back from Narnia" Lol wtf. It sounds more like he was just messing around. 

But even if he was selling amulets, I don't see how that would be a proof of his lack of honesty, integrity, or intellectual capacity. 

Nope its real heres the website https://airestech.com/?srsltid=AfmBOopEBXl1UXPcIldXdcfeneiTnchM55ruAozNpNE6XknET5RG1cwT

And heres Russell Brand on the website explaining why he swears by Aries Tech amulets - https://airestech.com/pages/russell-brand?srsltid=AfmBOornBgZhuYWbHv93cz3BfzxlsZrWft4i5k76USraqcP1aGIqj0K5

Well its like saying the travelling salesman that sells snake oil to cure all your ailments has doesnt necessarily not have integrity. That would be cope.

With Brand either he truly believes in the product, that an amulet stops all kinds of waves, which come on lets not beat around the bush, its bullshit. So if he believes it hes not researched enough or hes just genuinely an idiot. Or more likely he is conning his audience by selling them a magical amulet. 

So insanely dumb or grifter are the options. btw the necklace amulet is £190 

[mmKay]

Would it be un-democratic if democrats didn't accept the election of a fascist through a democratic process?

[Salvijus]

1 hour ago, Consept said:

Nope its real heres the website https://airestech.com/?srsltid=AfmBOopEBXl1UXPcIldXdcfeneiTnchM55ruAozNpNE6XknET5RG1cwT

And heres Russell Brand on the website explaining why he swears by Aries Tech amulets - https://airestech.com/pages/russell-brand?srsltid=AfmBOornBgZhuYWbHv93cz3BfzxlsZrWft4i5k76USraqcP1aGIqj0K5

Well its like saying the travelling salesman that sells snake oil to cure all your ailments has doesnt necessarily not have integrity. That would be cope.

With Brand either he truly believes in the product, that an amulet stops all kinds of waves, which come on lets not beat around the bush, its bullshit. So if he believes it hes not researched enough or hes just genuinely an idiot. Or more likely he is conning his audience by selling them a magical amulet. 

So insanely dumb or grifter are the options. btw the necklace amulet is £190 

It says on the website the product is scientificly proven to reduce emf signals. 

[Consept]

1 minute ago, Salvijus said:

It says on the website the product is scientificly proven to reduce emf signals. 

Must be true then, why dont you buy it, it will protect you 

[PurpleTree]

Just now, mmKay said:

Would it be un-democratic if democrats didn't accept the election of a fascist through a democratic process?

Can somebody actually make a thread about Trump and fascism and in which ways exactly he’s a fascist and break it down. Because throwing around that word in every other post isn’t helping. Not saying he isn’t btw.

And what’s weird is that Rogan really looks like Mussolini. Makes you think.

🤔 

But then i stopped thinking about and now thinking about breakfast.

[Salvijus]

1 hour ago, Consept said:

Must be true then

Might make you question if your accusations are valid at least. 

[zazen]

🫃🏻

Edited 19 hours ago by zazen

[PurpleTree]

1 hour ago, Consept said:

Le Pen is obviously right but had to tone down a lot to get the votes, her father he ran the party before was much more extreme and couldnt get anywhere. 

Yea he was very anti semitic her father. Which she isn’t seemingly. Or not openly at least.