2024 Election Discussion General

[aurum]

1 hour ago, What Am I said:

I wonder though, would it be off-base to assume that both Biden and Kamala are representative of the establishment's goals, and neither would act arbitrarily to any significant degree? From my perspective, it doesn't seem like it makes much of a difference which of them is in office in terms of what would end up happening.

Basically, yes.

The most important reason for swapping Biden with Kamala was age and voter enthusiasm.

Kamala may end up being a bit more progressive, but they mostly represent similar policy visions.

[aurum]

They’re coming at Elon:

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/10/28/politics/elon-musk-philadelphia-lawsuit

Looks like they’re not going after him for voter bribery, but having an unregulated lottery. Probably an effective legal strategy.

[What Am I]

6 minutes ago, aurum said:

Basically, yes.

The most important reason for swapping Biden with Kamala was age and voter enthusiasm.

Kamala may end up being a bit more progressive, but they mostly represent similar policy visions.

Exactly, thanks, that's how I've been interpreting the situation. It always seems weird to me when I see it discussed as if they'd implement radically different policies.

[What Am I]

4 minutes ago, aurum said:

They’re coming at Elon:

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/10/28/politics/elon-musk-philadelphia-lawsuit

Looks like they’re not going after him for voter bribery, but having an unregulated lottery. Probably an effective legal strategy.

Actually though, it seems like an effective strategy by Elon that he went ahead and did it even if he was aware it may end up costing him a bit monetarily in the end.

Let's say his goal was to get Trump elected, which it obviously is. After the election is over and assuming Trump wins, even if the lottery is found to be a violation, it seems doubtful anyone's going to be able to force a re-do on the whole election. It's similar to in 2020, when all those swing states violated their own constitutions involving how ballots need to be handled. Even though it was ruled illegal after the fact, it was determined that nothing could be done because the election was already over.

Pretty sneaky if that's Elon's plan.

[aurum]

31 minutes ago, What Am I said:

Exactly, thanks, that's how I've been interpreting the situation. It always seems weird to me when I see it discussed as if they'd implement radically different policies.

You're probably just seeing people drink the Kamala kool-aid.

22 minutes ago, What Am I said:

Actually though, it seems like an effective strategy by Elon that he went ahead and did it even if he was aware it may end up costing him a bit monetarily in the end.

Let's say his goal was to get Trump elected, which it obviously is. After the election is over and assuming Trump wins, even if the lottery is found to be a violation, it seems doubtful anyone's going to be able to force a re-do on the whole election. It's similar to in 2020, when all those swing states violated their own constitutions involving how ballots need to be handled. Even though it was ruled illegal after the fact, it was determined that nothing could be done because the election was already over.

Pretty sneaky if that's Elon's plan.

Indeed, we are only one week away from Election Day. The damage has been done.

 

[Husseinisdoingfine]

As of October 28

 

Here's the senate race in my state:

MARYLAND The Washington Post / University of Maryland:

Harris 61% (+28) Trump 33% .

Senate: Alsobrooks (D) 52% (+12)

Hogan (R) 40%

Scott (L) 4%

1,000 LV, 10/17-22

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2024/10/24/maryland-senate-race-poll-results/

 

Meanwhile in Michigan, swing state, its a dead even tie in the polls.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2024/michigan/

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/

Edited Monday at 08:35 PM by Husseinisdoingfine

[DocWatts]

On 10/27/2024 at 0:18 PM, Husseinisdoingfine said:

3) Pro-Palestinian, anti-war, anti-Ukraine leftists:

These people are so obsessed with Palestinian genocide and hatred of the neoliberal establishment that they just cannot bring themselves to vote for a corporate Dem. It's all the same to them. Harris is just a continuation of Biden's complicity in genocide and endless war. These people will vote 3rd party or not at all. They will reduce politics to these two issues in this election cycle. These leftists do not properly evaluate the damage that a second Trump administration would do to all of their leftist Green ideals, as Trump guts the entire Federal bureaucracy, all social programs, and further corrupts the Supreme Court with far right ideologues and Christian stooges. But their error gets even worse. They do not recognize that Trump will be much worse on the Palestinian issue than Biden. If you think Trump gives any fucks at all about Arab lives, you are delusional. Which is why Netanyahu clearly favors Trump. By voting 3rd party you are actually helping Netanyahu to wipe Palestine off the map. But these leftists are too wrapped up in hating on Biden to see this. These leftists are so moral that they are okay with electing a fascist because they are too moral, too pure to vote for a mainstream Dem. A mainstream Dem is just too corrupt for them, but Trump is somehow tolerable. And lastly, these leftists are wrong about Trump being anti-war. Trump is a shameless lying unhinged fascist! Fascists are not anti-war. They are characterologically pro war, pro violence, pro force, pro authoritarian, pro domination, pro abuse, pro revenge. If you think Trump will save you from war, you misunderstand the basic psychology of fascists, authoritarians, sociopaths, and devils. You are gonna believe the Devil when he tells you he's anti-war? Get the fuck outta here! Perhaps Trump's greatest con is this image of him as peaceful. Wake up! There are no peaceful fascists!

Steve Shives also speaks eloquently to this exact point.

Voting is a chess move, not a love letter.
 

 

Edited Monday at 06:53 PM by DocWatts

[Thought Art]

Trump has lied so much to his followers that they now exist in a virtual reality cut off from what’s true. The conflicts that are about to ensue are the result of a mind cancer. Trumps followers think they are fighting for America, but in reality… they are Fighting America.

[Yimpa]

Do not get obsessed with the polls. They are a distraction. We just have to wait and see now…

[Hardkill]

5 hours ago, aurum said:

Biden was not really that bold either. I believe all things considered he was a good president, maybe even a great one. But a bold visionary he was not.

Kamala will likely be similar. I think she will be competent and do good things for the country, but will not be bold. She’s just not shown that she is interested in that.

Obviously this is just my prediction and could be wrong.

Well, she very likely is not going to be as transformative as TR, WW, FDR, or LBJ were during their presidencies.

Hopefully, if she becomes president, she will become as consequential of a center-left Democratic president as Obama and Biden were as presidents.

[Husseinisdoingfine]

Incredibly tight race right now.

As of October 28, Harris is up by less than 1%.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/us/elections/polls-president.html

How is this possible given January 6, the election denialism, his own join chiefs of staff denouncing him, and much more, is beyond me.

In each of the swing states, she's up, but by only less than one point. 

Edited Monday at 08:24 PM by Husseinisdoingfine

[Yimpa]

This should scare you:

 

[Average Actualizer]

7 minutes ago, Yimpa said:

This should scare you:

 

He won't do it, it's practically impossible, it's just talk.

[DocWatts]

2 hours ago, Hardkill said:

Well, she very likely is not going to be as transformative as TR, WW, FDR, or LBJ were during their presidencies.

Hopefully, if she becomes president, she will become as consequential of a center-left Democratic president as Obama and Biden were as presidents.

To be fair, Biden had the advantage of a Democratic House and Senate for the first two years of his term (which, to in all due credit, he was able to make effective use of).

Due to the fact that the 2024 Senate seats that are up for grabs are highly unfavorable for Dems, Harris will most likely come into office with a hostile Republican Senate, where there will be little chance of getting any substantive legislation passed.

Holding the country together long enough for MAGA to run out of steam once their Cult leader succumbs to dementia, goes broke, ends up in prison, or drops dead from obesity is a more of what I'm expecting from her. If she's able to expand upon Biden's progressive policies, great! But it's going to be hard for her to do so without more support.

Edited Monday at 10:24 PM by DocWatts

[Lyubov]

You guys forget how largely ineffective Trump was at enacting large and complex government programs. He can work within the confines of what's there but he never built a wall and he isn't going to do some complex "round up." Biggest danger from him is corrupting the courts and enacting certain policies that erode the wellbeing of democracy, but it's quite clear the boundaries and checks on Trump. The USA has a pretty clear rule of law that is backed by consistent elections.  

Edited yesterday at 12:38 AM by Lyubov

[Hardkill]

 

[mojsterr]

That damn fake laugh

[zazen]

Apparently whats shifting a lot of the black vote away from Kamala 

 

[DocWatts]

Bernie's answer to: "I disagree with Kamala's position on the war in Gaza. How can I vote for her?"