Selling high consciousness porn?

[Scholar]

7 minutes ago, Basman said:

That's my point, yes. being enlightened or highly conscious doesn't change anything fundamentally.

Anyone can enjoy sex but not anyone can appreciate self-actualization, high art or deep states of awareness. That is a level of complexity beyond base needs that most people don't experience normally. Porn and blood sports are low-conscious because they are inherently less complex forms of pleasure.

Even with the breathing example, you have to breath consciously as part of a practice to reach a deep state of consciousness as opposed to just breathing normally with no awareness. That is a distinction between higher and lower you have to make yourself in order to make that example.

Anyone can enjoy breathing fresh air, and breathing in general. In fact, you just have to not breath for 2 minutes and you'll appreciate it a lot.

 

Consciousness is not about what you experience, but your depth of perception. Most people breath unconsciously all the time.

 It takes practice to reach a deep state of consciousness in sex as opposite to just normal sex.

 

Also, notice that this is a completely abitrary notion. Why does something being difficult make it "higher consciousness"? Most parents love their children with ease, yet that is in no way "lowly" or "low consciousness".

 

And if this was the case, as you have conveniently constructed for yourself, it would mean sex is actually an even greater higher consciousness activity, because it takes deeper states of awareness ot appreciate sex on deeper level than just the mere pleasure of it.

 

Edited October 13 by Scholar

[Basman]

14 minutes ago, Scholar said:

Anyone can enjoy breathing fresh air, and breathing in general. In fact, you just have to not breath for 2 minutes and you'll appreciate it a lot.

 

Consciousness is not about what you experience, but your depth of perception. Most people breath unconsciously all the time.

 It takes practice to reach a deep state of consciousness in sex as opposite to just normal sex.

 

Also, notice that this is a completely abitrary notion. Why does something being difficult make it "higher consciousness"? Most parents love their children with ease, yet that is in no way "lowly" or "low consciousness".

 

And if this was the case, as you have conveniently constructed for yourself, it would mean sex is actually an even greater higher consciousness activity, because it takes deeper states of awareness ot appreciate sex on deeper level than just the mere pleasure of it.

 

Dude, what is this formatting?

You don't strictly need a deeper state of awareness to enjoy breathing or sex but a deeper state of awareness can make those experiences richer whereas certain experiences cannot be experienced without a deeper state of consciousness, like a spiritual awakening. That is the distinction.

Its not about difficulty but relative complexity and depth.

Parents love their children and are deeply attached on a primal level but they don't necessarily love other people's children. To appreciate children on a deep level takes deliberate conscious thought, which makes it high-conscious.

Don't forget your a glorified rat at the end of the day. Humans are just animals. Be careful of projecting the absolute unto the relative.

[Jannes]

1 hour ago, Basman said:

That's my point, yes. being enlightened or highly conscious doesn't change anything fundamentally.

I dont know if I understand you correctly. 

You can integrate high consciousness elements into the porn like an interesting story line, art, jokes. All of those are not the pure fucking but they can surround the porn. Most porn is so low quality, non of these elements are included. In my experience it doesnt take away from the sex, the sexual needs are perfectly met through that, it's just a good edition that you ingest with the porn. So thats one thing to make porn more conscious. 

Or the sex itself can be more conscious. Taking time, foreplay, tenderness are all things which are higher consciousness then pure physical sex. 

[Basman]

7 hours ago, Jannes said:

I dont know if I understand you correctly. 

You can integrate high consciousness elements into the porn like an interesting story line, art, jokes. All of those are not the pure fucking but they can surround the porn. Most porn is so low quality, non of these elements are included. In my experience it doesnt take away from the sex, the sexual needs are perfectly met through that, it's just a good edition that you ingest with the porn. So thats one thing to make porn more conscious. 

Or the sex itself can be more conscious. Taking time, foreplay, tenderness are all things which are higher consciousness then pure physical sex. 

That doesn't change the fact that sex is still relatively base assuming my earlier assertions are true.

Also, in my opinion quality should refer to how well something is made on a technical level instead of how high or low conscious it appears to be.

[Jannes]

On 14.10.2024 at 7:58 AM, Basman said:

That doesn't change the fact that sex is still relatively base assuming my earlier assertions are true.

Either yes, but then as you said things like art are on the higher consciousness side so porn (with animalistic sex) but with things like art integrated would have high consciousness facets to it which in total would make it a higher conscious experience then "normal" porn. 

Or no, as you could make the presentation of sex itself more conscious. 

On 14.10.2024 at 0:30 AM, Jannes said:

Or the sex itself can be more conscious. Taking time, foreplay, tenderness are all things which are higher consciousness then pure physical sex. 

 

Edited October 15 by Jannes

[Schizophonia]

What does that mean ? 

[Jannes]

28 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

What does that mean ? 

What does what mean?

[Scholar]

On 13.10.2024 at 11:39 PM, Basman said:

Dude, what is this formatting?

You don't strictly need a deeper state of awareness to enjoy breathing or sex but a deeper state of awareness can make those experiences richer whereas certain experiences cannot be experienced without a deeper state of consciousness, like a spiritual awakening. That is the distinction.

Its not about difficulty but relative complexity and depth.

Parents love their children and are deeply attached on a primal level but they don't necessarily love other people's children. To appreciate children on a deep level takes deliberate conscious thought, which makes it high-conscious.

Don't forget your a glorified rat at the end of the day. Humans are just animals. Be careful of projecting the absolute unto the relative.

It's high consciousness formatting 

 

It's silly to make actions out to be low or high consciousness. It misses the point and leads to further confusion.

There is no difference between the absolute and the relative.

[Basman]

On 14/10/2024 at 9:35 PM, Jannes said:

Either yes, but then as you said things like art are on the higher consciousness side so porn (with animalistic sex) but with things like art integrated would have high consciousness facets to it which in total would make it a higher conscious experience then "normal" porn. 

Or no, as you could make the presentation of sex itself more conscious. 

 

I think making porn can have elements of higher consciousness as an artistic pursuit but simply consuming porn will hardly reach the same height. Porn is about titillation at the end of the day.

Edited October 19 by Basman

[Jannes]

14 hours ago, Basman said:

I think making porn can have elements of higher consciousness as an artistic pursuit but simply consuming porn will hardly reach the same height.

Of course, doing art vs watching art is always different. 

14 hours ago, Basman said:

Porn is about titillation at the end of the day.

Which is exactly why it reaches more people than "pure art". It doesnt has to reach the same depth of course, I would just argue that it is a significant improvement to soulless porn. 

[Basman]

52 minutes ago, Jannes said:

Of course, doing art vs watching art is always different. 

Which is exactly why it reaches more people than "pure art". It doesnt has to reach the same depth of course, I would just argue that it is a significant improvement to soulless porn. 

You are going to reach more people with frozen pizza than gourmet cuisine because its more base. Of course there are different degrees of depth and quality within porn like how there are different degrees of frozen pizza. But frozen pizza is still junk food.

[Jannes]

6 hours ago, Basman said:

You are going to reach more people with frozen pizza than gourmet cuisine because its more base. Of course there are different degrees of depth and quality within porn like how there are different degrees of frozen pizza. But frozen pizza is still junk food.

It's possible to make pizza healthy to a point where it's not junk food at all anymore. Even if it were something in between, when you consume a lot of it that really adds up. 

[Basman]

2 hours ago, Jannes said:

It's possible to make pizza healthy to a point where it's not junk food at all anymore. Even if it were something in between, when you consume a lot of it that really adds up. 

Bad example perhaps...

Not saying that porn is inherently unhealthy by the way. More so trying to illustrate sex and porn as something that is inherently base compared to other things.

[Jannes]

On 20.10.2024 at 11:38 PM, Basman said:

Bad example perhaps...

Not saying that porn is inherently unhealthy by the way. More so trying to illustrate sex and porn as something that is inherently base compared to other things.

Do you think trying to integrate high consciousness elements into porn is counter productive for its lust factor? ( .. as porn needs to be properly imbedded into a low consciousness environment as thats where sex is happening?)

[mmKay]

this thread made me think of this vid
 

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Edited October 23 by mmKay

[Basman]

7 hours ago, Jannes said:

Do you think trying to integrate high consciousness elements into porn is counter productive for its lust factor? ( .. as porn needs to be properly imbedded into a low consciousness environment as thats where sex is happening?)

No not necessarily, but porn is inherently low conscious and base. There can be degrees of low consciousness in my opinion. Art, like hentai, can have aspects such as beauty which elevates it above being just porn (but only from an artistic perspective).

Its also a matter of what do people want. If they want their porn raw and dirty then that is what they'll get.

Edited October 23 by Basman

[Ero]

Assuming you are guy for this answer, sorry if wrong. The higher your T levels, the more you will crave it. When I was younger I tried the no fap BS and all that, but it is just unsustainable. Most ppl who demonize porn have some repressed sexuality to have to address (like I did). Nothing wrong with it. Different people have different kinks/cravings. As with everything, there are definitely both high and low quality sources. Don't overdo it and you will be fine. 

[Jannes]

17 hours ago, Basman said:

No not necessarily, but porn is inherently low conscious and base.

Porn is just a name for something. You have to say what it is that makes it low consciousness. 

17 hours ago, Basman said:

There can be degrees of low consciousness in my opinion. Art, like hentai, can have aspects such as beauty which elevates it above being just porn (but only from an artistic perspective).

I agree. 

17 hours ago, Basman said:

Its also a matter of what do people want. If they want their porn raw and dirty then that is what they'll get.

I also agree. Depending on what people want there is less room for putting in high consciousness elements. But even with little room to play with if all elements of storytelling and world building are presented very effectively you dont need a whole bunch of it to make a compelling porn. 

[Basman]

11 hours ago, Jannes said:

Porn is just a name for something. You have to say what it is that makes it low consciousness. 

I agree. 

I also agree. Depending on what people want there is less room for putting in high consciousness elements. But even with little room to play with if all elements of storytelling and world building are presented very effectively you dont need a whole bunch of it to make a compelling porn. 

What makes porn low-conscious is that its sex and sex is an inherently a low-conscious need.

I like the drug dealer example above. There are degrees of consciousness within being a fentanyl dealer but your still just selling fentanyl at the end of the day.

[Yimpa]

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