Selling high consciousness porn?

[Scholar]

10 minutes ago, Basman said:

My understanding of low VS high conscious activities is that it is somewhat analogous to Maslow's hierarchy of needs and we can therefor measure how conscious something is depending on where on the hierarchy of needs an activity will tend to fall.

Porn consumption and sex is by definition part of the lowest rung of needs, physical needs, and therefor cannot be high conscious in of itself no matter how you slice it. Making porn can be an artistic pursuit and high quality hentai or erotica can be rich entertainment wise but porn is in of itself low consciousness.

The problem isn't that porn is low conscious but the need to "veganify" everything to appear more spiritual.

The problem with this idea is that activities are neither low or high consciosuness. Consciousness is a state of mind, a perception.

 

You can have the highest consciousness and engage in any activity, including sex, and remain in that state of consciousness.

It's just that by default, with unconscious minds, certain activities will generally lead to a narrowing or broadening of perception.

[Ishanga]

27 minutes ago, Scholar said:

The problem with this idea is that activities are neither low or high consciosuness. Consciousness is a state of mind, a perception.

 

You can have the highest consciousness and engage in any activity, including sex, and remain in that state of consciousness.

It's just that by default, with unconscious minds, certain activities will generally lead to a narrowing or broadening of perception.

Well via a "High" state of Consciousness, Actions change, Intentions Change, Sex does not become a way to seek pleasure or attention, but a means to connecting with someone in an intimate and intense physical way that sometimes transcends the physicality, so that is the difference..

Porn is there to make Money (Money is low consciousness), and for the stars to seek attention and make Money (both are low consciousness attributes), so therefore Porn in and of itself is Low consciousness.

Sex itself is just there to procreate, that is the most basic of Survival level, which is low low consciousness. We as Humans can have great pleasure from Sex, so when Sex goes into the Mind it become perverse/distorted, which is Low Consciousness..

We all go thru it, all these sorts of stages, as we age we realize what it is and how it relates to Life, or we should anyways, lots do not!

[Scholar]

36 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

Well via a "High" state of Consciousness, Actions change, Intentions Change, Sex does not become a way to seek pleasure or attention, but a means to connecting with someone in an intimate and intense physical way that sometimes transcends the physicality, so that is the difference..

Porn is there to make Money (Money is low consciousness), and for the stars to seek attention and make Money (both are low consciousness attributes), so therefore Porn in and of itself is Low consciousness.

Sex itself is just there to procreate, that is the most basic of Survival level, which is low low consciousness. We as Humans can have great pleasure from Sex, so when Sex goes into the Mind it become perverse/distorted, which is Low Consciousness..

We all go thru it, all these sorts of stages, as we age we realize what it is and how it relates to Life, or we should anyways, lots do not!

You can seek sex out of pleasure in a highly conscious state.

Leo is also making money doing his videos. If he did not, he could not make such videos. 

 

You just repeated what you said before and then asserted that means porn in and of itself is Low Consciousness. But that doesn't make sense, it's a purely emotional statement. I can make highly conscious porn if i wanted to, which wold mean Porn in and of itself is not Low Consciousness.

It is simple the current cultural context that makes most porn a product of lower consciousness states.

 

Again I think you have a profound misunderstanding of what consciousness is. You keep attributing "low consciousness" to activities, even to procreation, as if consciousness was an action. It's a state of mind, and you perpetuate a certain confusion about the nature of consciousness by playing the game of consciousness supremacy.

You are injecting your ethical views into your views of consciousness. 

Edited October 13 by Scholar

[Basman]

1 hour ago, Scholar said:

The problem with this idea is that activities are neither low or high consciosuness. Consciousness is a state of mind, a perception.

 

You can have the highest consciousness and engage in any activity, including sex, and remain in that state of consciousness.

It's just that by default, with unconscious minds, certain activities will generally lead to a narrowing or broadening of perception.

Saying that consciousness is a state of mind doesn't mean certain actions can't be qualitative in terms of consciousness, if only because more base needs are less complex and less morally aspirational than for example self-actualization. Something being low-conscious isn't a moral judgement by the way.

I'm very suspicious of any spiritual concept that tries to separate the body from the mind. It reeks of escapism.

[Jannes]

2 hours ago, Basman said:

Porn consumption and sex is by definition part of the lowest rung of needs, physical needs, and therefor cannot be high conscious in of itself no matter how you slice it. Making porn can be an artistic pursuit and high quality hentai or erotica can be rich entertainment wise but porn is in of itself low consciousness.

Even very conscious people need to fulfill there lower needs. You dont just reach enlightenment and then dont eat and have no sex anymore. Although the later might in fact be reduced. So there needs to be porn for your enlightened gurus.

[Basman]

4 minutes ago, Jannes said:

Even very conscious people need to fulfill there lower needs. You dont just reach enlightenment and then dont eat and have no sex anymore. Although the later might in fact be reduced. So there needs to be porn for your enlightened gurus.

There is nothing special about being enlightened.

[Jannes]

48 minutes ago, Basman said:

There is nothing special about being enlightened.

Okay then let's say a person with a high baseline consciousness. That person will still have a need for sex.

[Princess Arabia]

5 hours ago, Ishanga said:

Teal is so fake and just wants attention, have researched her, its pretty obvious what she is about, she is the female version of Frank Yang...

This might be the case. However, if the information she gives is something that interest me, and the way she delivers it is in a style that I can relate to, and the quality of the information is something i find somewhat up to par, that's enough for me. I don't watch Frank Yang because his style is not one i like and he is too "mass" for what I like when i watch spiritual videos. If all those were in tact but I recognized or thought he just loved attention, that wouldn't be enough of a reason for me to not watch. There are too many giving the same information for me to worry about who loves attention or not, I'm more concerned with the type of content and if I relate to their style of delivery. The simplier and less dramatic, to me is the perfect style.

[Princess Arabia]

2 hours ago, Scholar said:

It is simple the current cultural context that makes most porn a product of lower consciousness states.

People just cannot understand this. Apart from that, sex isn't man-made and is one of the highest form of activity one can do to feel the connection between them and the Universal love. Sexual energy can also be used for creation and manifestation. Everything boils down to how it's being used.

Edited October 13 by Princess Arabia

[Princess Arabia]

3 hours ago, Ishanga said:

(Money is low consciousness)

Money is energy and so is just about everything else. They have trained and programmed you and many others to believe that money is low consciousness and that's why most religious and spiritual people are broke and believe wealth is evil. Abundance is your birthright and money is just another tool that was invented to be able to acquire things and how you use those things is determined by one's state of consciousness and the value they receive from it. 

Seeking money to feel fullfiled on an outer level is, if anything, low conscious behavior but seeking it to help to raise the consciousness of society is the opposite. I don't really like to use the terms high and low consciousness; but I'll use it at times to get my point across.

Edited October 13 by Princess Arabia

[Princess Arabia]

45 minutes ago, Jannes said:

Okay then let's say a person with a high baseline consciousness. That person will still have a need for sex.

Sex is not a need breathing air is.

[Keryo Koffa]

 Huh?

Edited October 13 by Keryo Koffa

[Jannes]

32 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Sex is not a need breathing air is.

 

[Princess Arabia]

1 minute ago, Jannes said:

 

This means nothing to what I was pointing to. We don't need sex to be able to sustain the body, but we need air. Even food, ever heard of breatharians. They use air as food.

 

[Jannes]

1 minute ago, Princess Arabia said:

This means nothing to what I was pointing to. We don't need sex to be able to sustain the body, but we need air.

This is true. Which is why the need for breathing is a more fundamental need than sex. But sex is still a need. 

 

[Princess Arabia]

Just now, Jannes said:

But sex is still a need.

Not in the way my statement was intended. I need money to go shopping but not if I don't need to buy clothes. I would say sex is more of a desire than a need. The needing of sex is in relation to something else other than the need to sustain the body. E.g feeling horny, the desire to connect, to feel loved, for procreation, etc. The needing of air is only in relation to staying alive. To me, that's a need.

[Scholar]

3 hours ago, Basman said:

Saying that consciousness is a state of mind doesn't mean certain actions can't be qualitative in terms of consciousness, if only because more base needs are less complex and less morally aspirational than for example self-actualization. Something being low-conscious isn't a moral judgement by the way.

I'm very suspicious of any spiritual concept that tries to separate the body from the mind. It reeks of escapism.

No, that's actually exactly what it means. No action can be qualitative in terms of consciousness.

Your most basic and primal need is to breath, yet breathing can be an exercise to reach the deepest states of consciousness.

[Jannes]

1 minute ago, Princess Arabia said:

Not in the way my statement was intended. I need money to go shopping but not if I don't need to buy clothes. I would say sex is more of a desire than a need. The needing of sex is in relation to something else other than the need to sustain the body. E.g feeling horny, the desire to connect, to feel loved, for procreation, etc. The needing of air is only in relation to staying alive. To me, that's a need.

Thats okay and I understand your reasoning. Sex just generally falls under the category of needs as needs refers to a big spectrum with lower and higher needs. 

So I would agree with you in this way: sex is a lower need or sex is not a super fundamental need. 

What were we talking about? 

[Princess Arabia]

33 minutes ago, Jannes said:

What were we talking about? 

Horniness as a need. Lol. kidding.

[Basman]

2 hours ago, Jannes said:

Okay then let's say a person with a high baseline consciousness. That person will still have a need for sex.

That's my point, yes. being enlightened or highly conscious doesn't change anything fundamentally.

59 minutes ago, Scholar said:

No, that's actually exactly what it means. No action can be qualitative in terms of consciousness.

Your most basic and primal need is to breath, yet breathing can be an exercise to reach the deepest states of consciousness.

Anyone can enjoy sex but not anyone can appreciate self-actualization, high art or deep states of awareness. That is a level of complexity beyond base needs that most people don't experience normally. Porn and blood sports are low-conscious because they are inherently less complex forms of pleasure.

Even with the breathing example, you have to breath consciously as part of a practice to reach a deep state of consciousness as opposed to just breathing normally with no awareness. That is a distinction between higher and lower you have to make yourself in order to make that example.

Edited October 13 by Basman