Can everybody follow their LP?

[Jannes]

So I wonder if society would be functional if everybody fully pursued their LP. I have seen many people doing music and art for their LP and it is very important that these things are pursued! - But I see few people doing practical mundane things for their LP but these things also have to be done. 

Maybe my perception is wrong, I have only seen a relatively small sample size so what is your perception here, are all areas of life being taken care of or are some areas left out?

And what would that imply? 

[Keryo Koffa]

I guess maximizing potential minimizes regrets, leading to a state of mind which exponentiates returns.

[Jannes]

Well for each person it's great that they follow their LP. And when some do it society will greatly profit from it. I just wanna know if everybody could do it or if some life purposes would get chosen too often. 

[Keryo Koffa]

58 minutes ago, Jannes said:

Well for each person it's great that they follow their LP. And when some do it society will greatly profit from it. I just wanna know if everybody could do it or if some life purposes would get chosen too often. 

Excellent question. A life purpose is of course a choice informed by one's intuitive drives, it's got lots of room for expression, we are simply too caught up in specialization.

• An artist can be simultaneously a craftsman, an architect, a visionary, a storyteller, a musician, a designer, a developer, and so forth.
• An engineer learns from living systems (biology), laws of nature exerting force on structures (physics), styles of artistic expression (architectural movements), psychology (interior design), material used (chemistry) etc.

Any given area is infinitely contextualizable, there are still overarching drives, but from all of these, paths fractal outwards and grow as they interact with others holistically. As we automate away most tasks with AI, we will shift towards more diversified jobs, though AI may make them obsolete before even they attain new relevance.

I am sure, in a healthy society, everyone would find their LP expressed, but when there is such strong pressure on conformity, efficiency, and specialization, it makes it all very difficult to go against the herd and express the innate tendencies within us, which are how any new technological revolution and paradigm-expansion takes place, by connecting disparate areas and pioneering new grounds, instead we have 99.99% of the population serving as robotic contraptions, repeating the same mechanical movements, over and over and over again.

Edited October 10 by Keryo Koffa

[Princess Arabia]

Somebody's gotta clean the hotel toilets you stay at when traveling to pursue your LP. Somebody's gotta wait those tables, park those cars, pick those strawberries, pick up that trash and a slew of other things people make money at that's not considered a life purpose. If everybody was to be in their life purpose or I should say their dream job, society would be fucked.

Edited October 11 by Princess Arabia

[Xonas Pitfall]

You can also view this through the lens of Spiral Dynamics, Maslow’s hierarchy, or any of the human consciousness development systems. 

At the beginning, we start from the lower tiers, such as Beige, which is based on survival instincts. In a society where humanity must contend with tigers, lions, and the raw forces of nature, survival, food, and reproduction become the primary concerns. Moving to Purple, there’s a bit more room for relaxation, but most of the work still revolves around tribal survival, focusing on food and sex, and engaging in manual labor to satisfy these basic needs.

Life Purpose is a luxury, in a sense. As society ascends the spiral, we will be better equipped to meet everyone's needs, but we are far from that point—both technologically and mentally. Many individuals take pleasure in having others perform the laborious tasks for them or feel superior, often going to great lengths to sabotage others. There are still many manual tasks that technology hasn’t yet addressed, and we also face the challenge of people who thrive on anti-social behavior. It is a good moral question: should certain anti-social urges be genetically eliminated if that ever becomes possible?

Ideally, as we move toward greater unity (up the spiral), our collective goals should focus on creating systems that promote human happiness, where each individual can achieve their life purpose and self-actualization. This could involve implementing universal basic income or similar systems, along with robots and other technologies that can handle undesirable tasks, allowing people to concentrate on what they truly want to pursue.

It's a "fractal-like" pattern: even in your personal life and during self-development, you will go through these stages. You are born needing to cover the basics: finances, health, confidence, and mental well-being. Only after addressing these foundational elements can you truly access the luxury and capacity to succeed in your life purpose. Reaching that point takes time and leveling up.

Society is experiencing a similar process, albeit at a slower pace. I really do hope one day we will reach a society where you are born, and most of your needs can be more easily covered by systematic structures, government, AI, and other modern, singularity-like technologies, allowing us to all engage in activities that truly align with one another! Sounds so much more beautiful and rewarding. 💙

[Princess Arabia]

1 hour ago, Xonas Pitfall said:

Society is experiencing a similar process, albeit at a slower pace. I really do hope one day we will reach a society where you are born, and most of your needs can be more easily covered by systematic structures, government, AI, and other modern, singularity-like technologies, allowing us to all engage in activities that truly align with one another! Sounds so much more beautiful and rewarding

Might be where the future of AI and modern technology lies. Never know. 

[LoseYourvelf]

You need some method of tracking the 9 stages and working your way up through them, you need some medium to track if you've completed a stage PROPERLY. I use music

Only you know if you've fully satisfied the conditions of a stage, don't move on until you have, go away and come back to it if you can't right now

Edited October 11 by LoseYourvelf

[Basman]

Developing the kind of career oriented LP that Actualized pedals is difficult and not preferable to many people I think. Its often risky and challenging on a personal level. I don't think most people have that ambition in them to go "all out". Most don't even know its a possibility.

There are many people who make their kids their life purpose, which is arguably a lower quality purpose but purpose none the less. I think most people are driven most by their community rather than their direct passions, so if being a plumber is meaningful to their community than being plumber might be enough in terms of meaning. I believe that community is the sticking point here, which is something we should somehow promote in the future. There is a lot of value provided to society through community and family that doesn't translate into direct profit.

[Ero]

17 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

Somebody's gotta clean the hotel toilets you stay at when traveling to pursue your LP. Somebody's gotta wait those tables, park those cars, pick those strawberries, pick up that trash and a slew of other things people make money at that's not considered a life purpose. If everybody was to be in their life purpose or I should say their dream job, society would be fucked.

Regretfully for many, this is indeed the case. Not everyone can be a musician or 'businessman/woman", cuz then society would stop functioning. Of course, the techno-utopian dream of AI and automation states this will eventually be replaced, but for the time being, this is the case. 

[Princess Arabia]

5 minutes ago, Ero said:

Regretfully for many, this is indeed the case.

I don't want to sound woo woo but it's only the mind that feels it's "regretfully" for many. The mind that thinks it's a somebody with high standards and goals and dreams and a life and is separate from. Other than that, someone waiting tables to the Universe isn't any worse than somebody playing music or fulfilling a life of purpose.  Just saying. I'm sorry, but certain things just fall away when the world is seen differently. To me, its not regretfully and is just the case and I recognize that everything is perfect and as it should be because God or whatever you call it is all there is and that is perfection. 

[Ero]

@Princess Arabia Regretfully for many is not an objective/ moralist statement. it literally means many people regret their jobs. Of course nothing makes one thing "worse" than another, all that is human shit. But when you are physically surrounded by it, you will wish for a different job.

[Princess Arabia]

Just now, Ero said:

@Princess Arabia Regretfully for many is not an objective/ moralist statement. it literally means many people regret their jobs. Of course nothing makes one thing "worse" than another, all that is human shit. But when you are physically surrounded by it, you will wish for a different job.

There are plenty of people happy in their "waiting tables" jobs and janitorial positions, and hotel staffs and whatever else kind of job that people like to put in categories. (including myself, so don't think I'm singling you out). It's not the job that matters at times but how the one doing it sees it. You have slapped a Life of Purpose unto the Universe and now you see one job as regretfully so and even though many people do regret their jobs lots enjoy being mediocre and are happy with mediocre jobs. The Universe is balanced and we would be happy seeing things a certain way every time not realizing that it has to be the way it is and cannot be any other way. 

[EdgeGod900]

Does everyone need a life purpose? Can enlightenment reveal that you don't need a life purpose? Can someone people love the way their body moves when working these blue collar jobs? Leo encourages life purpose, but he isn't saying that you need it. You will realize what he says by doing the work and also by listening to his videos more diligently.