Is it really important and necessary to sleep with 20 girls?

[Princess Arabia]

44 minutes ago, Happy Lizard said:

Thats why I asked How can I apply this to game ? Like what different things I can do ?

You can instill in the mind what you want to accomplish. You can see images of yourself doing approaches and seeing the results you want to experience in the mind. You can paint a mental picture and see yourself in likeable situations and circumstances. You can envision what type of female you'd like to spar with and how she relates to you favorably. All seeing these images in the mind's eye before you even go out. You can stay in alert mode, every time you go out in public and be open to any situation that may arise for you meeting women and not just going out to intentionally do approaches. Lots of people meet people in unsuspecting places. 

Once you have it in the mind and keep it there and keep it some more and some more, you have set the ball a rolling; and in no time, and depending on how intense of an emotional reaction you have while visualizing, you will start to meet people in your reality to match what you've envisioned in the mind. Might not be exact, but you will have developed a momentum and be in flow. Many people including bad boys and players have unconsciously done this but there was no choice but for it to play out in the physical plane whether they realize that they have done this or not mentally.  Bad boys and players have developed a momentum and flow and don't need to think about it anymore because now they have the mindset that they can easily get girls and girls will flock to them like flies on dog shit.

Edited October 12 by Princess Arabia

[Leo Gura]

2000 approaches is a bare minimum. You can do that in 1 year.

You should be aiming for 10,000 approaches to reach mastery.

It's like you guys have hit 100 golf balls and wondering why you're so bad at golf. And then you call me an extremist.

Edited October 12 by Leo Gura

[Findingmyself]

@Rasheed, you should provide a detailed breakdown of your journey, it will be really helpful to others.

[The Renaissance Man]

6 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

now they have the mindset that they can easily get girls

Some objections @Princess Arabia, and I appreciate your desire to understand this issue:

• If you suck ass with girls you won't have that mindset. You'll have tons of proof that you CAN'T get girls, and to rewire that you will need tons of proof of the opposite, and that takes a lot of attempts, since only few of them will be successful especially at the beginning. So to get lots of positive proof, needed to build that sort of mindset, it takes a lot of attempts. Can that sort of mindset be built up without experience? Possibly, but it's super hard and highly inefficient.
• Wouldn't you agree it's possible to suck at social interactions? Even if confident, if you aren't a pleasant person to have around your success rate will drop drastically. This is to say there is a skill aspect involved, even if you're confident. Although confidence despite lack of results is more rare, if you have some basic social calibration and you're (very) confident you're usually good enough. But still, that's far from mastery of any kind though.

This is to say that if you are very socially awkward, that kind of extensive practice is not an option. Put yourself in the shoes of a very socially awkward person who had terribly unsuccessful experiences for all of his life, years and years, not just once or twice. Rewire that with mental practice alone and try comparing that with what Leo is suggesting.

[Princess Arabia]

4 minutes ago, The Renaissance Man said:

Some objections @Princess Arabia, and I appreciate your desire to understand this issue:

• If you suck ass with girls you won't have that mindset. You'll have tons of proof that you CAN'T get girls, and to rewire that you will need tons of proof of the opposite, and that takes a lot of attempts, since only few of them will be successful especially at the beginning. So to get lots of positive proof, needed to build that sort of mindset, it takes a lot of attempts. Can that sort of mindset be built up without experience? Possibly, but it's super hard and highly inefficient.
• Wouldn't you agree it's possible to suck at social interactions? Even if confident, if you aren't a pleasant person to have around your success rate will drop drastically. This is to say there is a skill aspect involved, even if you're confident. Although confidence despite lack of results is more rare, if you have some basic social calibration and you're (very) confident you're usually good enough. But still, that's far from mastery of any kind though.

This is to say that if you are very socially awkward, that kind of extensive practice is not an option. Put yourself in the shoes of a very socially awkward person who had terribly unsuccessful experiences for all of his life, years and years, not just once or twice. Rewire that with mental practice alone and try comparing that with what Leo is suggesting.

That's not what I'm saying. Of course, practice makes perfect, and we need to put in the hours to be good at something. To be out just approaching and approaching and approaching is only getting you good at approaching. 2000 approaches? What has one accomplished? Getting good at approaching. He said you can do that in a year. Sure. Fine. When do one stop to say after she says yes, how do I deal with the situation. Do I have the skills to keep her attention and to have a good time. Now you need 2000 more dates to get good at dating because you've mastered approaching. Then 1000 dates more to go through to really appreciate your times spent. Now 500 more to sift through the weed from the shaft and 250 more to get and keep a gf. By that time, you'll be an old man who conquered the dating scene and writing books and novels about how to seduce women and with a sore throat like Robert Greene.

[The Renaissance Man]

38 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

To be out just approaching and approaching and approaching is only getting you good at approaching.

This is not true though. Nobody teaches approaching and then goodbye lol. Leo's guide is called "how to get laid", not how to approach. And the advice in there covers approaching, creating attraction, building rapport, and having sex, and he explains why every step is necessary as well, even to get to a solid relationship.

In the guide he also said clearly how the point is to end up in a long-term loving relationship. He also explained the pros and cons of multiple ways of meeting girls. I'm really not saying anything new.

Doing 2000 approaches will contemporarily mean 300 dates, getting laid 20 times, or whatever, I'm making up the numbers. Plus, you approach a girl once, but if successful, the dates stemming from that approach could be multiple, as well as the times you have sex.

I feel like I'm stating the obvious here. You're practicing the entire set of skills of attraction. Relationships are a different set of skills, and a single relationship provides plenty of opportunities to practice a plethora of skills anyway, without the need of having 100 girlfriends (again, stating the obvious).

Edited October 12 by The Renaissance Man

[Princess Arabia]

9 minutes ago, The Renaissance Man said:

This is not true though. Nobody teaches approaching and then goodbye lol. Leo's guide is called "how to get laid", not how to approach. And the advice in there covers approaching, creating attraction, building rapport, and having sex, and he explains why every step is necessary as well, even to get to a solid relationship.

In the guide he also said clearly how the point is to end up in a long-term loving relationship, so I'm not saying anything new here. Doing 2000 approaches will contemporarily mean 300 dates, getting laid 20 times, or whatever, I'm making up the numbers. Plus, you approach a girl once, but if successful, the dates stemming from that approach could be multiple, as well as the times you have sex.

I feel like I'm stating the obvious here.

Yes, you are stating the obvious. Nothing was said in this thread about getting results from those approaches. Only about doing 2000 approaches and that wasn't enough; 10,000 is needed for mastery. To me that sounds like years and years of approaching. Five years when you do the math of approaching 2000 in a yr which is still quite a lot. Nothing was mentioned about the techniques used in the how to get laid series either. You are just mentioning that. To me, it's like the emphasis is on approaching and not the results. Why say you need 2000 approaches when you can get results within the first 100. 

Anyway, it's not my place to argue with guys about their approaching techniques and style, so I'm out this convo and I hear what you're saying and understand it. Thanks for your replies and I hope you get the results you seek and get better at socializing.

[The Renaissance Man]

1 hour ago, Princess Arabia said:

Why say you need 2000 approaches when you can get results within the first 100. 

If you take 100 unexperienced and unskilled guys, how many of them get results with 100 approaches? Leo said it took 400 approaches to get laid once. What do we make of that?

[Leo Gura]

You can get a hole-in-one on your first shot. That doesn't make you a good golfer. Only a fool would confuse one for the other.

Edited October 12 by Leo Gura

[Something Funny]

@Leo Gura I really love the idea of becoming really good at something through practice, but isn't feeling like you need to get good because of "what am I going to do if my girlfriend leaves me?" a bad mindset?

It sound kind of neurotic. I recognise it as such because I often have the same way of thinking in many other areas of life.

Realistically speaking,  if you were able to find your current girlfriend, then you should be able to find another girlfriend in the same way afterwards. So there is no need to stress too much about it. Sure, finding a new girlfriend won't be as efficient and automated as if you were a professional pickup artist, but most people don't need it to be that efficient, I think.

[Leo Gura]

9 minutes ago, Something Funny said:

but isn't feeling like you need to get good because of "what am I going to do if my girlfriend leaves me?" a bad mindset?

That's not the real motivation.

The real motivation is personal growth. Or if you just enjoy it.

You're not gonna do 5000 approaches unless you enjoy the whole project.

You master golf if you love golf.

Guys who do well in game actually love going out, being out. Being out becomes more appealing than any girl.

Obviously that isn't for everyone. You don't have to go all the way to mastery. I didn't.

Edited October 12 by Leo Gura

[Something Funny]

15 hours ago, Pro24 said:

Oh you are in a different country. That's why. See Indian girls, so many fake cases....

There are a lot of actual rape cases in India though, no?

[Something Funny]

Just now, Leo Gura said:

The real motivation is personal growth.

I see. 

[Something Funny]

4 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

Yes, you are stating the obvious. Nothing was said in this thread about getting results from those approaches. Only about doing 2000 approaches and that wasn't enough; 10,000 is needed for mastery. To me that sounds like years and years of approaching. Five years when you do the math of approaching 2000 in a yr which is still quite a lot. Nothing was mentioned about the techniques used in the how to get laid series either. You are just mentioning that. To me, it's like the emphasis is on approaching and not the results. Why say you need 2000 approaches when you can get results within the first 100. 

 

I think the idea is that if you do that many approaches, techniques become redundant. Your brain just start to making intuitive connections on how to do it. 

Kind of like learning hand-balancing. Sure, you can learn as much theory as you want, but to actually learn how to stand on one hand you just need to stand on your hands for 10000 hours to allow your brain to learn it.

And of course you need to be really into it to do 10000 approaches. To you it sounds like a grind, and "why doo all that if you can get results in the first 100", but some guys probably just enjoy the act of approaching itself. So for them it's a non-issue.

Edited October 12 by Something Funny

[Leo Gura]

Don't forget that the typical hot girl socializes with thousands of people. It's just all unconscious. So you have a lot of catching up to do.

Edited October 12 by Leo Gura

[Something Funny]

4 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Don't forget that the typical hot girl socializes with thousands of people. It's just all unconscious. So you have a lot of catching up to do.

But do you need to have as good social skills as she does, though?

What about all the feminine/masculine and opposites attract stuff?

[mmKay]

Superhuman levels of libido surely help as a motivation for mastering game. Results in pickup are exponential. Getting a GF does not scratch the same itch as experiencing abundance.

At least satisfy whatever you're working with so you're not a horny desperate hyena and can focus on stuff you find meaningful

Edited October 12 by mmKay

[Something Funny]

@mmKay I think most people do pickup for ego (or personal development in rare cases like Leo), not because of Libido. Having a relationship is probably the easiest way to get your sex needs met.

10 minutes ago, mmKay said:

At least satisfy whatever you're working with so you're not a horny desperate hyena and can focus on stuff you find meaningful

If you do that by trying to get to 10000 approaches then you are spending a shit ton of time on it. Time that you could have used to focus on that other stuff. 

I think pickup is really inefficient if you just want to satisfy your libido.

[Leo Gura]

25 minutes ago, Something Funny said:

But do you need to have as good social skills as she does, though?

What about all the feminine/masculine and opposites attract stuff?

Look, I teach excellence. Not the bare minimum to survive.

[The Renaissance Man]

59 minutes ago, Something Funny said:

To you it sounds like a grind, and "why doo all that if you can get results in the first 100", but some guys probably just enjoy the act of approaching itself. So for them it's a non-issue.

Even if it is a grind you need to get to a decent enough level to fix the problem. Mastery may not be needed, but some level of efficacy sure is, regardless of how pleasant it is to get there. Or else that need for intimacy is going to rot inside and infect everything.

Edited October 12 by The Renaissance Man