Is it really important and necessary to sleep with 20 girls?

[Princess Arabia]

25 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

You are guaranteed to get better if you do 2000 approaches.

Your AI robotic skills better be on point with batteries included and the heart monitor tuned into rejection mode 1on1 where it can be easily accessible and switch to being accepted mode to be able to recognize when someone is actually saying yes. 

Don't ask me to repeat because I have no idea what I just said. I'm still stunned by that 2000 number and how that must make one desensitized to women at that point - or even capable of having feelings for any.

[Pro24]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

It takes thousands of approaches to get good.Your first 1000 approaches will suck. It's no problem. You will get a tiny bit better from each approach.

And what about the risk of fake rape cases if you sleep with 100 girls? Why don't you talk about that? Being falsely accused in a rape case is as horrible as getting raped. 

Edited October 11 by Pro24

[Rasheed]

13 hours ago, Happy Lizard said:

Since Leo’s videos worked for you, I want to ask you this, how did you learn to deal with the fear of a bad encounter or embarrassing yourself? That’s the biggest issue I have, I normally can get positive reaction from women in general, but cold approach is so in the face that I have no idea how it comes off to women, which makes me nervous. Also what are the best places to cold approach? (I assume that you live in the US)

Read Manson’s book “Models” and he covers an answer to your question extensively.
One of the important details is the fact that as a masculine man, you must place highest value on your own perception and opinion of yourself, rather than others opinion of you. Appreciating that, cute girl saying “No”—happened, happens and will happen to me me, you, Leo, Manson, and every other high value masculine man who does cold appreciate—cannot affect one’s authentic, strong, mature self-esteem (understood N. Branden’s sense)

10 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Don't read it so literally. 20 is not necessary. 20 is just a loose stand-in for lots of experience. What's necessary is lots of experience.

Then again, you could just settle down with 1 girl. But then you won't have the skills to get more girls if she leaves you.

It's a question of whether you want the skills. If you don't want the skills then you can always settle down with 1 girl. But that is quite risky. Which is why skills are stressed. You will lose many girls but you will never lose your skills.

That’s it, you understood me precisely. I want those skills, yet at the same time, that of course takes time (time dedicated to cold approach, text game, dates, pick up) away from my mastery/life purpose work and other self-actualization activities—time that having a LTR girlfriend frees up. Yet, those skills are indispensable, and stopping at intermediate level is risky, of course. 

This is a tricky life choice, necessitating a serious balancing.

Regarding number 20, I think that captures the “lots of experience” aspect very well, while Red Pill 50 lays is way too much

Dating one girl frees up time of cold approach, setting and going dates, et cetera. Yet, it doesn’t lead to that growth which the process of pick up as a whole leads to, from making an opener to taking the lady to a candy shop…

What do you think, is LTR relationships in one’s 20s not the best way to go with respect to growth and building skillset as a man?

Edited October 11 by Rasheed

[Leo Gura]

7 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

I'm still stunned by that 2000 number and how that must make one desensitized to women at that point - or even capable of having feelings for any.

2000 is just a starting number. At 2000 your skills will still be medicore and you will barely get laid.

5 hours ago, Pro24 said:

And what about the risk of fake rape cases if you sleep with 100 girls? Why don't you talk about that? 

There is no such risk if you ain't a rapist.

Edited October 11 by Leo Gura

[Pro24]

2 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

There is no such risk if you ain't a rapist.

Oh you are in a different country. That's why. See Indian girls, so many fake cases....

Edited October 11 by Pro24

[Happy Lizard]

3 hours ago, Rasheed said:

Read Manson’s book “Models” and he covers an answer to your question extensively.
One of the important details is the fact that as a masculine man, you must place highest value on your own perception and opinion of yourself, rather than others opinion of you. Appreciating that, cute girl saying “No”—happened, happens and will happen to me me, you, Leo, Manson, and every other high value masculine man who does cold appreciate—cannot affect one’s authentic, strong, mature self-esteem (understood N. Branden’s sense)

 

I’ll check it out. I don’t necessarily get  hurt for being rejected, it’s more the emotional exhaustion of rambling  words and then having to do this with another 9 women just to warm up.
it’s like carrying a camera and filming yourself in public, Idk some people can do it, I just don’t know how they turn off the “I give a shit about people around me” circuit in the brain.

[Princess Arabia]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

2000 is just a starting number. At 2000 your skills will still be medicore and you will barely get laid.

That's because it's not a numbers game it's a mind's game. 2000x means you're trying to force something physical in a mental Universe. Also chasing implies something's running. I bet you pussy started coming to you when you didn't want or desire it and was even turning it down. You released the resistance of trying to get something instead of attracting it to you.

[Leo Gura]

1 minute ago, Princess Arabia said:

That's because it's not a numbers game it's a mind's game. 2000x means you're trying to force something physical in a mental Universe. Also chasing implies something's running. I bet you pussy started coming to you when you didn't want or desire it and was even turning it down. You released the resistance of trying to get something instead of attracting it to you.

No. These are girlish fantasies. That's not how dating works for men.

[Raze]

9 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

You just need way more approaches and to trust the process. You are guaranteed to get better if you do 2000 approaches.

You aren’t if you just keep doing the same mistakes over and over without learning or trying new things 

[Princess Arabia]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

No. These are girlish fantasies. That's not how dating works for men.

It's not about approaching 2000xplus either. I don't need to be a man to know that that's burn out mode. Attracting things to you doesn't mean to sit on your ass and do nothing. It means going out with a particular mindset and let the energy do the work. That could still be approaching but not in numbers but in right timing. 

Anyway, I'm more into working smarter not harder. You can use other examples with this analogy and certain things operate the same way only in different contexts and contents. So, certain things are Universal and can be applied whether it be a male thing or a female thing. 

[Leo Gura]

11 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

I don't need to be a man

You don't understand the situation.

[Jannes]

I gamed for two weeks straight a couple months ago. I just acted like a machine going through the motions in the hopes that through chance it would click at some point. But at some point I was so burned out and desperate I became conscious that I actually knew how things would turn out before I approached. I had no belief in myself that the approach would actually work and it guaranteed didnt work out because of my mindset. So what I did was just to deliberately look for opportunities to built up my own state. I had a few very deep and rewarding talks which made me feel very good and grounded and from there my confidence grew and I escalated more which ended in my first hookup. 

So for me numbers game became a trap because it was the only thing I focused on. But it's also about getting comfortable in your skin otherwise the chance of ever succeeding will be incredible low. 

[Princess Arabia]

2 minutes ago, Jannes said:

I gamed for two weeks straight a couple months ago. I just acted like a machine going through the motions in the hopes that through chance it would click at some point. But at some point I was so burned out and desperate I became conscious that I actually knew how things would turn out before I approached. I had no belief in myself that the approach would actually work and it guaranteed didnt work out because of my mindset. So what I did was just to deliberately look for opportunities to built up my own state. I had a few very deep and rewarding talks which made me feel very good and grounded and from there my confidence grew and I escalated more which ended in my first hookup. 

So for me numbers game became a trap because it was the only thing I focused on. But it's also about getting comfortable in your skin otherwise the chance of ever succeeding will be incredible low. 

This is what I'm talking about. It's a mind's game. Leo teaches this too so i don't know why he thinks this is any different. Numbers are important, but I think in this case it's the number of times one goes out more than how many women one approaches. 2000 plus, geesh. That's like an approach marathon, lol.

[Happy Lizard]

37 minutes ago, Raze said:

You aren’t if you just keep doing the same mistakes over and over without learning or trying new things 

what does that look like?
 

I was going to ask when does spewing words in-front of random girls start paying dividends ? I guess it’s exposure, and it’s important, but I learned a lesson form a time in my life where I locked myself with textbooks to get a better grade in a major exam. Didn’t do better than others who studied normally. I just forced it and it wasn’t the best approach. This sounds familiar somehow, I only learned better studying techniques later where I could have used them and got great results. I hope this can be applied to game.

 

Edited October 12 by Happy Lizard

[Princess Arabia]

19 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

You don't understand the situation.

This is your belief because you think I need to understand what it's like to be horny and need to get laid from a man's perspective. I don't need to know how that feels to be able to understand that more approaches just for the sake of approaches doesn't lead to better results or even getting better at approaches. All that means is that you are doing over 2000 approaches and developing a mindset of more approaches and being a master at approaching. Approaching isn't the goal.

[Princess Arabia]

4 minutes ago, Happy Lizard said:

I only learned better studying techniques later where I could have used them and got great results. I hope this can be applied to game.

This is the key. Not doing approaches after approaches after approaches. Someone can approach once or twice and get results; but if the mindset is to do plenty of approaches before you can see results, the mind will sabotage itself and not expect any results until it does a certain amount of approaches to get the same result.

[Raze]

12 minutes ago, Happy Lizard said:

what does that look like?
 

I was going to ask when does spewing words in-front of random girls start paying dividends ? I guess it’s exposure, and it’s important, but I learned a lesson form a time in my life where I locked myself with textbooks to get a better grade in a major exam. Didn’t do better than others who studied normally. I just forced it and it wasn’t the best approach. This sounds familiar somehow, I only learned better studying techniques later where I could have used them and got great results. I hope this can be applied to game.

 

Because you don’t learn by just cramming things in your short term memory, you learn by practicing real application. 

[Happy Lizard]

17 minutes ago, Raze said:

Because you don’t learn by just cramming things in your short term memory, you learn by practicing real application. 

it wasn’t a short memory cramming. It lasted something like 5 months and it was the finals so I had already studied the material before. It was just forceful, I glued my head to books, I didn’t know any better. This can happen in the gym or when when learning anything,  learning properly with some theory is what works.

Thats why I asked How can I apply this to game ? Like what different things I can do ?

[Happy Lizard]

34 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

This is the key. Not doing approaches after approaches after approaches. Someone can approach once or twice and get results; but if the mindset is to do plenty of approaches before you can see results, the mind will sabotage itself and not expect any results until it does a certain amount of approaches to get the same result.

Leo has not budged on this, the numbers he give is not normal in my reality. Idk if I have even met a 1000 women in my life, and I’ve worked with many women. 
 

[Princess Arabia]

14 minutes ago, Happy Lizard said:

Leo has not budged on this, the numbers he give is not normal in my reality. Idk if I have even met a 1000 women in my life, and I’ve worked with many women. 
 

lol. I've come to the conclusion that Leo is an extremist. 10,000 hrs, 2000 approaches, and everything else he suggests is to the extreme. Then he expects everyone else to be comfortable with the same approach. No, it's defeat to others minds and requires a certain skill set but also leads to burnt out energy; then he wonders why he's tired all the time and will say it's his health condition. Not denying that, just saying, because I don't know his personal situation. I'm just speaking from speculation.