Where does spirituality end?

[Exystem]

Life is my actual real path, and it contains meditation, inquiry, yoga, psychedelics and contemplation. But mahasamadhi as a goal.. for real?

[Keryo Koffa]

19 minutes ago, Exystem said:

Spirituality, depending on its definition of course, ends the moment you realize there is nothing else but the present moment, there is no time, there are no words, it's illusions all the way down. It ends the moment you don't think about it. And then you may get hijacked again to believe there is something beyond ...

As I said, depends on the definition. But if you consider it a time based process, it always ends now.

18 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

You guys have a very sneaky ways of bullshitting yourselves to not do any actual real path.

6 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

It's a perfect example of an epistemic bubble or paradigm-lock.

Edited October 12 by Keryo Koffa

[PurpleTree]

4 minutes ago, Exystem said:

Life is my actual real path, and it contains meditation, inquiry, yoga, psychedelics and contemplation. But mahasamadhi as a goal.. for real?

My goal is something like a Super Sayajin or Super Saiyan how you guys say. On my first mushroom trip i’ve had the vibe that i’m a being like a Saiyan who has lived on different planets for millennia.

 

[Princess Arabia]

47 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

And that´s why you have stopped. 

I never started. I just love to inquire into the nature of reality. I'm a curious gal and like to observe. Anything I do is out of love not seeking. Yes, I'm seeking practical things but what else should I seek. I'm not playing hide and seek with the Universe. It never asked me to seek for it. It's right here, right now in plain site. What you see is what you get. I don't see any thing lost. Any knowledge I acquire is just that, knowledge. I'll know more than somebody else who doesn't have that same knowledge. If there's something for me to find, it will find me because i didn't ask to come here. I popped outta my mom's belly and here I am. If that's just my imagination and it never happened, then so be it. Why am I seeking for who I am and what is this moment. It's ridiculous. I read books and watch videos and listen to podcasts and am interested in improving the way I relate to people and in learning new things. If I spew stuff out my mouth, it's what I believe to be the case. If I'm wrong, then so be it; nothing will change because I'm not in charge. I'm aware and conscious, that's all i know, everything else is just concepts and ideas and regurgitation. 

I have not stopped learning about the Universe. It's a learning process not a seek and you shall find. I have matured while learning. I have gotten wiser and have learnt a lot about how the mind works, self-deception, spiral dynamics, how intelligence works, how reality is a strange loop, about infinity, about states of consciousness and so on and so forth. Lots of normal people don't have a clue about these things and I will continue to learn about these things because I love to learn and these topics interests me.....but seeking.....seeking for how to write an e-book, how to cook delicious food and how to control my emotions and not react to things so I don't raise my blood pressure. These are things I'm seeking. Not to see elephants in my hands and to see eyeballs on walls. Not to find God, because that's his problem if he wants to hide, not to get enlightened because I really don't know what that is and not to stop suffering because all I have to do there is allow it to be there. I don't mind. It doesn't like when I ignore it and it goes somewhere else for attention. You see, I don't need to seek in the ways you're referring to because I don't see anything wrong with anything only in the normal world where my perception is skewed and i believe that it is wrong - that's being human and I know it's not who I really am; because if it was, I wouldn't be able to perceive it.

I cry and get mad and feel upset and joyful and peace comes and a little suffering comes and a little fear and anxiety and frustration and all the different emotions. So what. It's all encompassing and what life is about. I don't need to enjoy every waking second and I am a big girl now and have grown into all that to realize it's not permanent and those are things that will always be there. So what. I DON'T MIND. Only the ego does and I try to comfort it whenever I can and it settles down and walla it comes again and i ain't got time for all that babysitting so I just let it be and it shuts up. There you go.

Edited October 12 by Princess Arabia

[Ishanga]

1 hour ago, Javfly33 said:

You guys have a some very sneaky ways of bullshitting yourselves out of doing any actual real path.

Yes, that is why most paths today are Ego based. Non Duality thinking is just that, its intellectual, more of a Jnana Path but its intellectual, when they say "Nothing has to be done", "Nothing is Happening", its lazy way in reality.. The main question is "Can You do NOTHING",  that means, no thinking, no wanting/needing, no dreaming, no imagining, no anything other than body functions and breathing? Most cannot do this, so they need to seek a way, the seeking is just about Recognizing and Realizing, not about the Enlightenment part, its already there (as untapped Potential), it just has to come into One's Experience, by which the non dualist seem to deny but Experience is the most important capability we have as Humans, if there is no Experience, there is no Point to all of This...

[Javfly33]

3 hours ago, Exystem said:

Life is my actual real path, and it contains meditation, inquiry, yoga, psychedelics and contemplation. But mahasamadhi as a goal.. for real?

https://www.youtube.com/clip/UgkxmE8jpECuMGXgIj8UuYM90Bte9cYa1Tsf

If you are able to walk out of the body gracefully, why wait for its debilitation to be forced out of it? 

Edited October 12 by Javfly33

[Exystem]

4 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

If you are able to walk out of the body gracefully, why wait for its debilitation to be forced out of it? 

If you are able, well that's nice. But between being able and wishing to be able is a huge difference. Why striving to die smoothly while you can live smoothly?

[Exystem]

Gautama once said: why meditate for 30 years to walk over water when you can use a bridge?

[Javfly33]

40 minutes ago, Exystem said:

If you are able, well that's nice. But between being able and wishing to be able is a huge difference. Why striving to die smoothly while you can live smoothly?

Because in the process of striving to Live smoothly one also discovers more "tricks" so to speak.

In other words, you can not leave the body if before you have not reached a state of smoothness as you say. So dont worry, when i Talk about mahasamadhi i dont Talk about denying Life

 

On 11/10/2024 at 4:08 PM, Princess Arabia said:

 

 

[Exystem]

42 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

Because in the process of striving to Live smoothly one also discovers more "tricks" so to speak.

That's true. The greatest gifts often come unforced.

43 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

So dont worry, when i Talk about mahasamadhi i dont Talk about denying Life

I first thought you wanted to escape life, projection on my side. I associate mahasamadhi with the idea that you're finally done with life, but of course there are other conceptions.

[Javfly33]

19 minutes ago, Exystem said:

That's true. The greatest gifts often come unforced.

I first thought you wanted to escape life, projection on my side. I associate mahasamadhi with the idea that you're finally done with life, but of course there are other conceptions.

You could Say Im done with the limited aspects of Life.

You see mahasamadhi as negative because you have not yet become conscious enough of how limited Life is as an embodied being. 

19 minutes ago, Exystem said:

 

 

[Exystem]

9 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

You see mahasamadhi as negative because you have not yet become conscious enough of how limited Life is as an embodied being. 

Projection on your side.

[Keryo Koffa]

@Javfly33 @Exystem Both is good. You seek what you lack, it's relative, subjective, perspective-dependent.

[Javfly33]

31 minutes ago, Exystem said:

Projection on your side.

Is not my problem you have not yet tasted the deepest and most worth while aspects of Life 

1 hour ago, Exystem said:

 

 

[Javfly33]

@Keryo Koffa @Exystem https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxwbjQ7NB3Z_Jsbo4K1WrcbUcVvUsRIeGI?si=vTmV4XALq4TxL5sU

 

[Keryo Koffa]

@Javfly33 I feel it, but each dimension has potentials to actualize, and I gotta wrap this game up properly.

[Javfly33]

9 hours ago, Keryo Koffa said:

@Javfly33 I feel it, but each dimension has potentials to actualize, and I gotta wrap this game up properly.

Of course, I didn´t said either i am able to do it right now 😵‍💫

[Yimpa]

It ends nowhere and starts everywhere.