Where does spirituality end?

[Javfly33]

6 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

I've found it - was never lost. I just leave the mind alone. Everything's the same, as it always was. Suffering, pain, joy, peace, happiness, sadness etc, all still there and always will be if that's the kind of energy that wants to appear. Just let it be and walla, what you call it.....mahasamadhi. I'm sure the energy didn't name itself. Neither did suffering, joy and pain, we gave them those names to make sense of our existence. It's so simple. Of course you'll disagree because the seeking energy is there resisting, but that's fine too.

The seeking energy is what will actually awaken you

 

Edited October 11 by Javfly33

[PurpleTree]

42 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

The seeking energy is what will actually awaken you

 

Then why do some people allegedly seek for 50 years and not really "awaken"?

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, PurpleTree said:

Then why do some people allegedly seek for 50 years and not really "awaken"?

Because they get stuck in religious paradigms and never dare to free themselves. The ego mind is pure fear and has many layers and many tricks, for example believing in god

Edited October 11 by Breakingthewall

[Princess Arabia]

2 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

The seeking energy is what will actually awaken you

 

The seeking energy is the "I" energy. It is not a particular energy that will awaken someone. That is the actual energy. The seeking energy is the energy that falls away to reveal what's true. Let me try to make this clear. THERE IS NOT A SEPARATE ENERGY THAT IS SEEKING AND THEN THERE IS YOU. NO YOU ARE THAT ENERGY. If and when that energy falls away it is revealed to never have been and was just a facade. There is no energy separate from you. It is you and that energy's make-up or how it operates depends on how it responds to other types of energies. 

It is the seeking energy at play. There is no you to awaken. IT IS JUST THE ENERGY. There is already only awakeness. 

[Princess Arabia]

5 hours ago, PurpleTree said:

Is there even someone who can "recognise" it or does recognition happen or not on its own terms for nobody?

I try not to use those terms a lot like nobody, no me, no you etc, It's not well received and frankly, I'm sick of it too. Sick of the reactions. Recognize and realize are terms we use but I don't think there's anybody recognizing or realizing it just energy revealing itself or playing around or forming or not forming or whatever. I try not to get too into the terms, or say," but for nobody". Even though it's the case, there is still a felt feeling of a person there with a body living a life. It can't be denied. My mission is to integrate the two worlds like this character here. She kind of remind me of me and how I would think and say and be.

 

Edited October 11 by Princess Arabia

[Rafael Thundercat]

End When After Defeating All Big Bosses, Super Mario realise that he is a character in a Game and is the game itself and all the Bosses he defeated are Himself and He will never be able to Turn the Game Off because the Very Console where he is Being Played is also Imagined and Have no End. Is this and Much More. 

[PurpleTree]

58 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

I try not to use those terms a lot like nobody, no me, no you etc, It's not well received and frankly, I'm sick of it too. Sick of the reactions. Recognize and realize are terms we use but I don't think there's anybody recognizing or realizing it just energy revealing itself or playing around or forming or not forming or whatever. I try not to get too into the terms, or say," but for nobody". Even though it's the case, there is still a felt feeling of a person there with a body living a life. It can't be denied. My mission is to integrate the two worlds like this character here. She kind of remind me of me and how I would think and say and be.

 

Yea well it’s just a preference of certain words or nonduality jargon. She in the video also uses jargon i wouldn’t really use anymore like witness, observer, consciousness because it’s so over used by people like spira etc.

[Javfly33]

5 hours ago, PurpleTree said:

Then why do some people allegedly seek for 50 years and not really "awaken"?

They are not really seeking, they reach a mental conclusion and think that is awakening.

Like this one:

3 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

The seeking energy is the "I" energy. It is not a particular energy that will awaken someone. That is the actual energy. The seeking energy is the energy that falls away to reveal what's true. Let me try to make this clear. THERE IS NOT A SEPARATE ENERGY THAT IS SEEKING AND THEN THERE IS YOU. NO YOU ARE THAT ENERGY. If and when that energy falls away it is revealed to never have been and was just a facade. There is no energy separate from you. It is you and that energy's make-up or how it operates depends on how it responds to other types of energies. 

It is the seeking energy at play. There is no you to awaken. IT IS JUST THE ENERGY. There is already only awakeness. 

Conceptually that makes sense but my experience is not one of a boundless energy, but with borders.

I´m not in your experience so I can´t say whereas you are talking from direct experience or not, if you do happy for you. But usually I´m skeptic of people. Most times people talk from the mind, not actual experience. 

[Ero]

Existence is spiritual, so spirituality never ends. There are infinite degrees. 

[Davino]

In Awakening: each end is a new beginning

Reality is a Strange Loop, this is one of the most mind-boggling realizations you can cognize

 

[Princess Arabia]

12 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

They are not really seeking, they reach a mental conclusion and think that is awakening.

Like this one:

Conceptually that makes sense but my experience is not one of a boundless energy, but with borders.

I´m not in your experience so I can´t say whereas you are talking from direct experience or not, if you do happy for you. But usually I´m skeptic of people. Most times people talk from the mind, not actual experience. 

I'm not sure how this can be actual experience VS conceptual. Like there is going to be an energy that sees itself as a person that knows itself as energy and will say, "ok, i'm just an energy masquerading around as human" and for another energy like you to say, "well, I'm skeptical when that energy over there doesn't speak from direct experience and is only conceptualizing. 

There are no people talking from the mind. It's the mind talking and masquerading as people. You need to put down all those practices you're doing because all they do is separate you from the self even more. There's nothing complicated about this, when you don't see yourself as human, that's when things become clear. Not saying you need to go around saying you're not human, but in discussions like this, reference that point and certain things will be easier to grasp and understand. You underestimate the enormity and magnitude of the illusion and mirage and how it's design was meant to keep itself locked into. You think doing practices will undo this, no the mind has to realize what it is and that it doesn't and cannot exist on it's own without a source which is you. You as consciousness are lost in your creation thinking you're separate from it and that's where your confusion and dilemmas lie.

 

[Javfly33]

36 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

I'm not sure how this can be actual experience VS conceptual. Like there is going to be an energy that sees itself as a person that knows itself as energy and will say, "ok, i'm just an energy masquerading around as human" and for another energy like you to say, "well, I'm skeptical when that energy over there doesn't speak from direct experience and is only conceptualizing. 

There are no people talking from the mind. It's the mind talking and masquerading as people. You need to put down all those practices you're doing because all they do is separate you from the self even more. There's nothing complicated about this, when you don't see yourself as human, that's when things become clear. Not saying you need to go around saying you're not human, but in discussions like this, reference that point and certain things will be easier to grasp and understand. You underestimate the enormity and magnitude of the illusion and mirage and how it's design was meant to keep itself locked into. You think doing practices will undo this, no the mind has to realize what it is and that it doesn't and cannot exist on it's own without a source which is you. You as consciousness are lost in your creation thinking you're separate from it and that's where your confusion and dilemmas lie.

 

I´m not sure that what I am is a concept.

At the end of the day consciousness is a word/concept.

 

The reality is I don´t know what I am. 

What I am? Am i inside your mind? Are we the same energy?

 

Whatever you reply to me means nothing because those are just words.

I´m looking for absolute clarity of what i am and what this moment is. 

 

[Princess Arabia]

4 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

I´m looking for absolute clarity of what i am and what this moment is. 

An apple doesn't know it's an apple. A cat doesn't know it's a cat. Knowing is separation. One cannot know themselves, they can only be themselves. This moment is eternal and that eternity is infinite and also cannot be known, it just is. When you realize this, the seeking stops and you just be.

Edited October 11 by Princess Arabia

[Javfly33]

3 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

An apple doesn't know it's an apple. A cat doesn't know it's a cat. Knowing is separation. One cannot know themselves, they can only be themselves. This moment is eternal and that eternity is infinite and also cannot be known, it just is. When you realize this, the seeking stops and you just be.

Good story but if you are walking down the street and someone puts a gun to your head, would you have fear?

Be honest. Or just by your Beingness and surrendering of knowing, of just is, you would be calm?

 

Edited October 12 by Javfly33

[Princess Arabia]

12 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

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This is not Reality.

To answer your question, yes, the body will jump into fight or flight response because it's a living and breathing thing. It's a response mechanism just like how a car will stop running if it has no gas. It's also a living thing because it's a part of a living Universe. So is a pen and a piece of paper. Just be is still having heart palpitations and being fearful. The difference is not going into story land and fantasies about what happened. Not ruminating in the mind that if I had done this or that it wouldn't have happened. Not seeing it as anything but a gun is at your head and what happened as a response. Just be means to allow things to flow as they are without the mind's stories attached. 

 

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[Javfly33]

1 hour ago, Princess Arabia said:

This is not Reality.

To answer your question, yes, the body will jump into fight or flight response because it's a living and breathing thing. It's a response mechanism just like how a car will stop running if it has no gas. It's also a living thing because it's a part of a living Universe. So is a pen and a piece of paper. Just be is still having heart palpitations and being fearful. The difference is not going into story land and fantasies about what happened. Not ruminating in the mind that if I had done this or that it wouldn't have happened. Not seeing it as anything but a gun is at your head and what happened as a response. Just be means to allow things to flow as they are without the mind's stories attached. 

 

That's good and is important to not ruminate but that is not Awakening.

There is way more consciousness to have until the point someone puts a gun to your head and you laugh, you don´t feel anything because you are conscious.

This won´t come from just allowing this will come from consciousness and crystal clear clarity on what this experience is. 

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[Princess Arabia]

1 hour ago, Javfly33 said:

That's good and is important to not ruminate but that is not Awakening.

There is way more consciousness to have until the point someone puts a gun to your head and you laugh, you don´t feel anything because you are conscious.

This won´t come from just allowing this will come from consciousness and crystal clear clarity on what this experience is. 

You are living in fantasy land. Do you think Mooji would laugh at someone if they put a gun to his head. I even heard him say he grieved over a relative's death but not to the point of getting all emotional about it. He moved on. You don't understand that it's the body doing it's thing. You're not responsible for how the body reacts no matter how conscious you think you are. You don't make your heart beat and you cannot make it stop just by saying "stop".

The body will react, even if it laughs, doesn't relate to how awake you are and what you know about this experience. You just don't know. You heard about awakening by someone and now you think you know what awakening is. I never mentioned anything about awakening, you did. You are already awake and conscious, aren't you. How much more awake do you think you can get. The only difference is levels of awakening which is only a matter of perception. No one is more awake than another; only in perception and states of consciousness, which is still illusory as there is only the Absolute appearing as humans who are conscious. All that we do as spiritual practices is just for different experiences and ways of being and how we live life and perceive it.

Yes, it will make for a better experience but that's it. You're not going to automatically know that you will just laugh at a gun to your head, unless you practice it over and over and train the body to react that way. Nothing to do with knowing that this is illusory and how awake you are.

[Javfly33]

2 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

You are living in fantasy land. Do you think Mooji would laugh at someone if they put a gun to his head. I even heard him say he grieved over a relative's death but not to the point of getting all emotional about it. 

Mooji is definetely not awake

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You are living in fantasy land.

I just have way higuer standars than you on what I consider Enlightment and Awakening.

Which is why I'm still 'seeking'. 

And that´s why you have stopped. 

 

Is like you are playing a videogame there are 1000 levels, I'm trying to tell you there are more levels but you are convinced 400 was the last level. You stopped and now anything that people tell you above the level 400, you think is false.

Edited October 12 by Javfly33

[Exystem]

Spirituality, depending on its definition of course, ends the moment you realize there is nothing else but the present moment, there is no time, there are no words, it's illusions all the way down. It ends the moment you don't think about it. And then you may get hijacked again to believe there is something beyond ...

As I said, depends on the definition. But if you consider it a time based process, it always ends now.

[Javfly33]

2 minutes ago, Exystem said:

Spirituality, depending on its definition of course, ends the moment you realize there is nothing else but the present moment, there is no time, there are no words, it's illusions all the way down. It ends the moment you don't think about it. And then you may get hijacked again to believe there is something beyond ...

As I said, depends on the definition. But if you consider it a time based process, it always ends now.

You guys have a some very sneaky ways of bullshitting yourselves out of doing any actual real path.

Edited October 12 by Javfly33