If I am not the body why do I feel 'glued' to it?

[Davino]

2 hours ago, Keryo Koffa said:

A plane is pretty fast though, relatively speaking at least.

[Breakingthewall]

 

@Javfly33

It's simple, because you are the body. Not only the body, but also the body now. Those mystic who said netí netí, you are not the body, they are simply wrong. 

6 hours ago, Ishanga said:

program, follow the basics first, 1) Accept all that is as it Is, absolutely, You can't go half way on this...

Sounds good, maybe I try the program. But wait, if you did, why you act like hysterical when someone says anything not wonderful about sadhguru? The program excludes that circumstance? 

Edited October 10 by Breakingthewall

[Javfly33]

7 hours ago, Someone here said:

Excellent answers . 

 whats weird though is you left off number 7. You have to recognize that you are the absolute taking the form of a body . You are god dreaming its a human . Then you have the answer to this thread . And you become one of the most enlightened stoned dumbasses ever ..I like Ramana Maharshi or Jesus or Buddha etc ... these folks have seen through the entire illusion of separation..realized the Absolute..realized that they are the unborn deathless perfect ever-present beingness etc...but they STILL have  a body . Otherwise how can they eat ..shit ..and talk ?

The absolute is using the human body to function in the relative world.  Why ? For no reason .its playing chess with itself forever. 

I agree but that realization must come from consciousness, not from mind.

Careful with assuming is the same. Is not. 

 

23 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

 

@Javfly33

It's simple, because you are the body. Not only the body, but also the body now. Those mystic who said netí netí, you are not the body, they are simply wrong. 

Sounds good, maybe I try the program. But wait, if you did, why you act like hysterical when someone says anything not wonderful about sadhguru? The program excludes that circumstance? 

How can i be the body? If body was born. So before body whatever I am already exist. Body is formed as a form, but is not what i am.

[Breakingthewall]

1 minute ago, Javfly33 said:

I agree but that realization must come from consciousness, not from mind.

Careful with assuming is the same. Is not. 

 

How can i be the body? If body was born. So before body whatever I am already exist. Body is formed as a form, but is not what i am.

Yes but just now you are in the form of a body, and that body has infinite implications. How denying that? The body is here. Could be impermanent but is 

[Someone here]

8 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

 I agree but that realization must come from consciousness, not from mind.

Careful with assuming is the same. Is not. 

I disagree.  What I've come to discover is that both the intellect and the direct awakening or mystical experience revealed the same truth.  If you read someone like Rumi ..Ramana Maharshi..Robert Adams etc you will see that through direct consciousness they have experienced and came to the same conclusions as people who used their intellectual faculty to figure reality out like Aristotle which was a philosopher and not a sage .

[Javfly33]

7 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Yes but just now you are in the form of a body, and that body has infinite implications. How denying that? The body is here. Could be impermanent but is 

I'd say I am sticked to a body

There´s no denying it but also in the same way one got itself into a body one can sort itself out of it

Now for most people this happens when body gets so hurt or debilitated that it can no longer go on... I'd say there is a possibility to sort oneself out before body gets damaged. Just because one wants.

Or at least live very friction free from the identification. Because i see a lot of people talk but is not the same to talk as to experience second to second i am not this flesh. That comes with a certain level of freedom from fear that is very beatiful

Just now, Someone here said:

I disagree.  What I've come to discover is that both the intellect and the direct awakening or mystical experience revealed the same truth.  If you read someone like Rumi ..Ramana Maharshi..Robert Adams etc you will see that through direct consciousness they have experienced and came to the same conclusions as people who used their intellectual faculty to figure reality out like Aristotle which was a philosopher and not a sage .

Idk, about those sages. I talk from personal experience, for me i have to directly be in a state of freedom, of consciousness, if not it does not work.

Because at the end of the day any belief or story about this comes from the mind, so one is already engaging in the psychological to ground itself, at that point you already lost. Is not that.

[Breakingthewall]

15 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

There´s no denying it but also in the same way one got itself into a body one can sort itself out of it

28 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

 

It's. It that you are glued to a body, as if the body were something foreign, it is that you are the emergence of the infinite that creates this concrete experience. The body is in it, and it is infinite, and each of its atoms is infinite. By force there have to be infinite emergences in the infinite, and you are one of them, and you are everything that is possible to be being in synchrony, limited by infinite emergences. It is a perfect gear. It is not that the body is some kind of error that must be solved, it is the total reality now.

What everything that exists does is fill its place, expand its structure, evolve into other forms. There is no error here, everything is coordinated in absolute perfection.

[Someone here]

58 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

Idk, about those sages. I talk from personal experience, for me i have to directly be in a state of freedom, of consciousness, if not it does not work.

Because at the end of the day any belief or story about this comes from the mind, so one is already engaging in the psychological to ground itself, at that point you already lost. Is not that.

Do you have to take drugs to be in that state ?

[Javfly33]

50 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

It's. It that you are glued to a body, as if the body were something foreign, it is that you are the emergence of the infinite that creates this concrete experience. The body is in it, and it is infinite, and each of its atoms is infinite. By force there have to be infinite emergences in the infinite, and you are one of them, and you are everything that is possible to be being in synchrony, limited by infinite emergences. It is a perfect gear. It is not that the body is some kind of error that must be solved, it is the total reality now.

What everything that exists does is fill its place, expand its structure, evolve into other forms. There is no error here, everything is coordinated in absolute perfection.

The Reality is symmettry and perfection, even in the imperfection perceived by the mind. But 

I feel some of you guys feel Im talking about the body as an error or mistake, but i dont mean It as such.

My narrative is more "I have a BMW with 280horsepower, and Im seeing how can Unlimit some things to put It 700horsepower".

But of course, there is Always a limit of how much horsepower you can put because the architecture of the engine is limited...

 

However you can have lot of fun still... The sad thing is to have 60horsepower in an engine capable of 700. Thats a pity

13 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Do you have to take drugs to be in that state ?

No, in fact no drug are able put me in the state I'm talking about. 

[Javfly33]

@Ishanga 🙏💥

[Breakingthewall]

2 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

My narrative is more "I have a BMW with 280horsepower, and Im seeing how can Unlimit some things to put It 700horsepower".

But of course, there is Always a limit of how much horsepower you can put because the architecture of the engine is limited...

 

However you can have lot of fun still... The sad thing is to have 60horsepower in an engine capable of 700. Thats a pity

Then you mean breaking the limits of the ego, open yourself to infinity. It's what I try to do all time too, it's like a compulsion, and in my experience works little by little but without pause. It's not abandoning the body, is opening you energetic sistem, breaking the limitations. 

[Javfly33]

25 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Then you mean breaking the limits of the ego, open yourself to infinity. It's what I try to do all time too, it's like a compulsion, and in my experience works little by little but without pause. It's not abandoning the body, is opening you energetic sistem, breaking the limitations. 

yes, the thing is my view of why the limit is there is because there is no clarity yet of what is my reality, I don´t know about you guys because everyone is so convinced of who he is, god, infinity, reality, etc... whatever, me i am not so clear, lets say my utter most core is still confused.

There is no issue in having a body, problem is when you don´t see beyond the body or the mind.

For example, if you go to the cinema because you want, you are there because is your will. But if you go to the cinema unwillfully, lets say you are 12 years old and your parents force you, then you are in that same place unwillfully, then is a tragedy.

The place does not change, but is wheter you are there on your own will or not that changes how the experience is.

 

So basically the same is with the body, if you have body but you can 100% leave when you want, then if you stay in the body is a pleasure, because you choose to stay.

But when you can´t leave, you are there forced, then is miserable.

So the problem is not the body, the problem is your consciousness. If your consciousness is not free to choose, you are stucked, you are not just choosing to stay, you are there because you can´t help it. This is not what i call an Awakened Spirit. This is an entangled spirit. 

So what Im talking about is just going from entanglement of identifications to Freedom. If when you hit freedom you still want to wear some clothes that´s fine. But when you have clothes just because they are sticked to you, then obviously you have a problem. 

@Lyubov

Edited October 10 by Javfly33

[Osaid]

There is no such feeling. Only thoughts about feeling, like "I am glued to the body".

Go to a pitch black room and feel for the body. That boundary called "body" simply isn't there.

Edited October 10 by Osaid

[Sugarcoat]

13 hours ago, Keryo Koffa said:

It's kinda empty if you know what I mean 😁

Ok ..

[Sugarcoat]

13 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

a spirit or astral body is still a limitation

I am aiming to something beyond limitations.

I see. 

[Breakingthewall]

3 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

 

 

37 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

yes, the thing is my view of why the limit is there is because there is no clarity yet of what is my reality, I don´t know about you guys because everyone is so convinced of who he is, god, infinity, reality, etc... whatever, me i am not so clear, lets say my utter most core is still confused.

The point is breaking your limits once, then do more and more, until its something normal to you. Breaking your limits is not achieve bliss or happiness or anything, that could happen but the point is breaking the limits, then you perceive yourself without the slightest doubt as the existence, there is nor another word to describe, you are what exist. Then with our human mind we could more or less understand what this experience is, and how is the configuration of the reality, but it's just relative understanding. The point is your nature, the existence, what are you and what everything is. In my opinion psychedelic are an enormous help, without that you have to be a monk, and it's not sure that you will get it. 

For me the change is totally obvious, but really I'm not so interesting in achieve more spiritual goals, the breaking of the limits is enough, and happens spontaneously more and more. I see that there is a path in this human life that I have to do, but being open to the unlimited. Then the things start to happen, the synchronicity is obvious 

Edited October 10 by Breakingthewall

[Breakingthewall]

 

@Javfly33

I think that the point is once you perceive yourself, your true infinite nature, bring that nature to this experience, make it shine as much as it's possible. Nothing else is needed, not mystical trips, powers, past lifes, this is everything, here is the absolute, and the absolute shines, open it, let it flow. It's not something that is automatic or easy, it's like a game, many obstacles appears 

[Javfly33]

4 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

 

@Javfly33

I think that the point is once you perceive yourself, your true infinite nature, bring that nature to this experience, make it shine as much as it's possible. Nothing else is needed, not mystical trips, powers, past lifes, this is everything, here is the absolute, and the absolute shines, open it, let it flow. It's not something that is automatic or easy, it's like a game, many obstacles appears 

I see, That´s why most of this forum do not understand me, personally I only care about Bliss, not opening, not love, not nothing, I am willing to sell my soul for the Bliss, that´s why I don´t care for God, reality, or whatever. Liberation is the only goal, God is just a stepping stone, not the end for me. But I accept I will have an alone road ahead because there are few people as crazy as me in this sense, very few.

Seems Each path is deeply individual for each Being, and is something important to accept so one is not distracted by other's different motivations. 

Edited October 10 by Javfly33

[Breakingthewall]

40 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

that´s why I don´t care for God,

Agree, If there were any god would be a limit. The goal is the limitless, the absolute breadth, the total freedom, you true nature. Breaking everything until nothing remains. 

[Javfly33]

3 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Agree, If there were any god would be a limit. The goal is the limitless, the absolute breadth, the total freedom, you true nature. Breaking everything until nothing remains. 

🔥💪💥exactly, the dissolution of all barriers and limits