Why is there so much violence and torchure in the porn industry?

[Leo Gura]

36 minutes ago, Emerald said:

Don't you watch porn?

Yup.

I also eat animals.

I also buy bombs for Israel to bomb Palestinian babies.

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If creating and selling porn is low conscious in your view, wouldn't watching porn also be low conscious behavior by the same metric?

You know that factory sweatshop labor goes into making your phone, yet you still buy and use phones.

You also know that people are exploited to make art, film, music, yet you continue to consume and enjoy it.

The hell that goes into making art is distinct from the enjoyment of the art. Most Hollywood film production is a nightmare to work on. The employees working at Disneyland are in hell, yet you still take your kids there and enjoy the show. That's how capitalism works.

The process that goes into making porn is distinct from the beauty of the porn end-product, in the same way as a Disney cartoon. Your children don't care about the sweatshop labor that was needed to hand draw a cartoon. The cartoon is still great even if someone was killed to make it. In the same way that a basket of chicken wings is delicious.

Edited October 12 by Leo Gura

[Someone here]

7 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

beauty of the porn end-product

Lolz.

Porn is absolute garbage.  Given that the content is technically endless..it's a shame that you have to spend 3 fucking hours to find a clip that actually catches your attention.  

Fake moans fake tits fake erections by drugged up viagra overdosed dudes etc 

Also there are really pretty fucked up geners of porn like gangbangs and bukaku and BDSM and clips that involve hypnosis and shit .

Leo ..stop watching that garbage.  It's mind boggling that one of the most intelligent persons to ever live( in opinion at least can make justifications for watching porn .

Have real sex dude .why the hell should you coom if you can get real bitches ? That's one fat ass existential question to contemplate. 

[Leo Gura]

2 minutes ago, Someone here said:

stop watching that garbage

If you can't see the beauty in it that's a you problem.

[Lyubov]

12 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Yup.

I also eat animals.

I also buy bombs for Israel to bomb Palestinian babies.

You know that factory sweatshop labor goes into making your phone, yet you still buy and use phones.

You also know that workers are exploited to make art, film, music, yet you continue to consume and enjoy it.

The hell that goes into making art is distinct from the enjoyment of the art. Most Hollywood film production is a nightmare to work on. The employees working at Disneyland are in hell, yet you still take your kids there and enjoy the show. That's how capitalism works.

The process that goes into making porn is distinct from the beauty of the porn end-product, in the same way as a Disney cartoon. Your children don't care about the sweatshop labor that is needed to hand draw a cartoon.

Everything really is connected from this perspective and I accept this. I don’t think we need to purity test everything but just focus on ourselves and try to be as honest as possible. I think porn will have some degree of people being dishonest and mistreating people but at the same time also have honesty to it and allow opportunities for people. A close friend of mine did porn and only fans and she sits in over 300k followers on instagram. She’s actually quite grateful for the adult industry and it’s afforded her and amazing life based off her natural beauty. I think we can engage with all aspects of life honestly to the best of our ability and we don’t have to go to such radical extremes to transcend. I like porn too, ok I’ll watch porn that’s well made and wasn’t made through exploitation. I eat animals too, I’ll try to not waste meat and choose meat that was once part of an animal that was treated well. 

[Lyubov]

Porn is a form of entertainment and does satisfy certain bodily needs. The women in porn are often unbelievably beautiful. It’s definitely not garbage to want to see unbelievably beautiful women having sex. I’ve had a ton of sex in my life and have had an abundant access to sex with very beautiful women for about 7 years now and I still enjoy porn. 

[Someone here]

6 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

If you can't see the beauty in it that's a you problem.

What beauty are you talking about?!

Anal sex is beautiful?  Its disgusting to fuck someone's shit hole. 

How about a group of guys taking a piss on a girl's face ? Yeah that's definitely beautiful for a complete sicko🤮 

And I'm not gonna continue with examples .I've seen some fucked up porn that I'm completey convinced that this industry is trying to degrade humans from their humanity and turn them into lust-obssesed pigs .

When I lost my virginity and had sex for the first time in my life ..I felt like I've conquered the whole world.  The intimacy. The eye contact . The smell of my girl .the voice .the real skin on skin touching ..dude that's a completely another deal .

But you do you.

I guess porn is love. I'm Woking on Self-Love .and sooner or later if I want to develop an absolute love of all of reality I sure must love stuff thats even more hectic than porn .

[Someone here]

@Lyubov it doesn't satisfy anything . It's like spilling gasoline on fire .it makes you  want more and more endlessly like a drug junkie who can't get enough and needs to elevate the dose to even feel anything. 

[Lyubov]

15 minutes ago, Someone here said:

@Lyubov it doesn't satisfy anything . It's like spilling gasoline on fire .it makes you  want more and more endlessly like a drug junkie who can't get enough and needs to elevate the dose to even feel anything. 

You’re projecting your own problems. I’m not saying no one struggles with their porn use but you you have to realize not everyone has a problem balancing this part of reality with their life. Just because you have problems watching porn doesn’t mean it causes the same problems for everyone else. 

[Someone here]

4 minutes ago, Lyubov said:

You’re projecting your own problems. I’m not saying no one struggles with their porn use but you you have to realize not everyone has a problem balancing this part of reality with their life. Just because you have problems watching porn doesn’t mean it causes the same problems for everyone else. 

@Lyubov correct .

I was a porn addict in my teens. But i outgrow it . The thing is though is that its veeeeery easy to turn into addiction because its soooo pleasurable to just say bye to the world and wank your cock to some nice tits ..it gets you hooked immediately. 

If you can balance it then that's great .I'm saying for the majority of single guys its a huge problem that must be faced on .

[Emerald]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Yup.

I also eat animals.

I also buy bombs for Israel to bomb Palestinian babies.

You know that factory sweatshop labor goes into making your phone, yet you still buy and use phones.

You also know that people are exploited to make art, film, music, yet you continue to consume and enjoy it.

The hell that goes into making art is distinct from the enjoyment of the art. Most Hollywood film production is a nightmare to work on. The employees working at Disneyland are in hell, yet you still take your kids there and enjoy the show. That's how capitalism works.

The process that goes into making porn is distinct from the beauty of the porn end-product, in the same way as a Disney cartoon. Your children don't care about the sweatshop labor that was needed to hand draw a cartoon. The cartoon is still great even if someone was killed to make it. In the same way that a basket of chicken wings is delicious.

As long as you're being consistent and believe that both the production and consumption is varying degrees of unconscious. 

It happens far too often that people will be hypocritical and hate on porn stars... while simultaneously being avid consumers of porn.

[Emerald]

1 hour ago, Princess Arabia said:

That's what I said too. This is why I pay humans no mind. They are not acting of their own free will and choice and will say things that contradicts. Including myself, so I'm not exempt. It's just funny to see and shows how not to take yourself and the world too seriously because it's filled with contradictions and makes no sense.

Yeah, that type of hypocrisy is very common. I think it tends to come from general shame-based attitudes towards sex.

And then, there's some kind of cognitive dissonance that helps the judger cleanse themselves of their shame around the enjoyment of porn by projecting those shame-based feelings onto the porn stars, which turns into disgust and contempt.

[Princess Arabia]

9 minutes ago, Emerald said:

Yeah, that type of hypocrisy is very common. I think it tends to come from general shame-based attitudes towards sex.

And then, there's some kind of cognitive dissonance that helps the judger cleanse themselves of their shame around the enjoyment of porn by projecting those shame-based feelings onto the porn stars, which turns into disgust and contempt.

It's funny how I don't really watch porn and i will never do porn, meaning have sex on camera for the world to see. Nothing to do with morality as I'm an escort but it's just not my thing; but I don't shame the industry and call those people dysfunctional and low-consciousness or judge them. I find it's people that engage in these activities as watchers and even those that unwillingly engage in it that have the most judgements; maybe for the reasons you mentioned. Keep in mind that I'm not speaking about where there is abuse and exploitation and kidnapping and child abuse. Excluding those cases, but where it's consensual and only involving adults who enjoy their work and have no problems with it. There are these cases, in case nobody knows about them. 

The bad comments I see are from the ones who are porn watchers. 

[Leo Gura]

2 hours ago, Someone here said:

Anal sex is beautiful?  Its disgusting to fuck someone's shit hole. 

How about a group of guys taking a piss on a girl's face ? Yeah that's definitely beautiful for a complete sicko🤮 

This is degenerate porn.

It's like if I told you food is beautiful and you said, Is eating dog shit beautiful?

[Pro24]

13 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

This is degenerate porn.

It's like if I told you food is beautiful and you said, Is eating dog shit beautiful?

 

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

You know that factory sweatshop labor goes into making your phone, yet you still buy and use phones.

You also know that people are exploited to make art, film, music, yet you continue to consume and enjoy it.

The hell that goes into making art is distinct from the enjoyment of the art. 

I agree with everything you've written. It's basic common sense, people are unnecessarily debating. 

[lostingenosmaze]

2 hours ago, Someone here said:

Anal sex is beautiful?

 

31 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

This is degenerate porn.

No way, Leo. There's no way you absolutely believe that the only way gay people can have intercourse is degenerate.

Edited October 12 by lostingenosmaze

[Someone here]

32 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

This is degenerate porn.

It's like if I told you food is beautiful and you said, Is eating dog shit beautiful?

But there are whole porn companies and websites dedicated specifically for anal sex (as an example). So what percentage of porn is degenerate?

Also as @lostingenosmaze  said ..the entire gay porn category is degenerate then ?

Edited October 12 by Someone here

[Leo Gura]

35 minutes ago, lostingenosmaze said:

There's no way you absolutely believe that the only way gay people can have intercourse is degenerate.

All judgments of that sort are subjective.

My view is just my view. It doesn't need to be true for you.

If you think having sex with a goat is beautiful, that's your business. But I may regard it as degenerate.

Edited October 12 by Leo Gura

[Pro24]

6 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

If you think having sex with a goat is beautiful, that's your business. But I may regard it as degenerate.

Some people say it's rape to have sex with animals because they can't consent. 

While others may argue that they don't have any stress/trauma, they don't recognise rape, so it's not a rape. 

I wanna know what you think. 

It's perspectival. 

Edited October 12 by Pro24

[Yimpa]

[Leo Gura]

11 minutes ago, Pro24 said:

Some people say it's rape to have sex with animals because they can't consent. 

While others may argue that they don't have any stress/trauma, they don't recognise rape, so it's not a rape. 

I wanna know what you think. 

It's perspectival. 

It's a construction. You can construct it one way or another way. I don't have a strong view on the matter.