I honestly think this all masculine-femenine talk is just bullshit

[Javfly33]

I get that man and female have had different roles in society therefore certain conceptual structures about what are men and female have built up.

According to this, certain ways of relating are there between men and female. 

But i mean actually, if we remove the concepts, I can´t help but to directly perceive that the only difference between men and women are different physical and hormonal configuration (designed for the reproduction of the species) and that´s it.

Everything else is just crap in people´s minds. But the crap continues because people have not seen beyond the crap. 

 

This is not a theory, I have directly perceived this. All of the dating talk is utter bullshit, but since the world is so entangled in bullshit, the bullshit works.

Just keep me out of the bullshit. 

[NoSelfSelf]

Now go tell this to a trans person who didnt transition yet.

[Jannes]

@Javfly33 From my obervsation I would carefully agree that pretty much in essence the only difference is physical traits and hormonal differences. But I would disagree that this is a minor difference. If you intelligently use your physical and hormonal traits you will behave differently - which is why this role playing exists, it is a fitting survival strategy for the physical and hormonal differences.

What's interesting is that in more politically leftist places girls and guys act more like each other.

A speculative side point, when you act out a role for long then at some point it might become reality - so when people acted out these roles for centuries maybe at some point this role playing got integrated into our DNA.

[Keryo Koffa]

Ah, so you are learning! I'm delighted to see you grow.
"Always be on your guard - otherwise you may learn something." -Kreia

[Emerald]

Men and women (all people really) are like 90% similar to each other. Take the two most different human beings you can think of, and they're still 90% similar.

That said, there are marked differences with regard to some things regarding gender... though of course there are many exceptions to the rule.

Also, the Masculine and Feminine principle (which don't have much to do with human gender) are definitely archetypally and energetically real and palpable if you tune your senses to them.

This is something that I realized at age 20, in my first Ayahuasca experience at a time where I 100% adamantly believed that everything of the Masculine and Feminine were purely socially constructed. 

And I was out in my friend's back yard at night, and all the plants were growing around me. And I felt an intelligence in the plants and in the darkness of the night that I could only describe as Feminine... despite having the notion that all things Masculine and Feminine are social constructs.

[Wyeth]

1 hour ago, Emerald said:

This is something that I realized at age 20, in my first Ayahuasca experience at a time where I 100% adamantly believed that everything of the Masculine and Feminine were purely socially constructed. 

@Emerald Do you think there is a way for someone to realize that masculine and feminine are more than purely social constructs without using psychedelics? I have many friends who think masc and fem are only social constructs and I've been at a loss of words trying to explain to them that such a thing is not the case.

[Davino]

3 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

Just keep me out of the bullshit. 

You are ignorant of your ignorance.

Go read 20 books on sexuality. For example, the ones from Leo's booklist.

Comeback and read this post. Ask yourself in what ways was I right? In what ways was I wrong?

[Basman]

Hormones and physicality do make a huge difference though. Your physicality shapes how you perceive the world. If humans where rat sized our experience of life and how we think would be much different.

The difference between men and women comes down to a couple of essential things, men being bigger and stronger and human reproduction being intensive, risky and long compared to other animals and disproportionately carried by women. This makes women largely dependent on men for their survival. The terrifying reality of being a women is being dependent of men who might see you beneath them because your physically weaker, hence why women have been second-class citizen for most of human history.

A lot of this dating debate between men and women is that men and women have asymmetrical needs  and not understanding each other (and speaking over each other most of the time). A mans needs are different to a woman's needs because women get pregnant and men don't. That is not a social construct. Personally I don't think men will ever fully grasp what it is like to be a woman and vice-versa without first hand experience on a bodily level. Likewise, you are never going to fully grasp what it is like to be a rat.

This leftist rhetoric of reducing everything that undermines equity as a social construct and socialization is getting tiresome. You are simply in denial of the natural condition of man. It can be ugly and unideal but it is what it is.

[Basman]

1 hour ago, Wyeth said:

@Emerald Do you think there is a way for someone to realize that masculine and feminine are more than purely social constructs without using psychedelics? I have many friends who think masc and fem are only social constructs and I've been at a loss of words trying to explain to them that such a thing is not the case.

Depends on how you define masculine and feminine. The problem is that those words are inherently vague and mean different things to different people. Masculine and feminine are essentially just rhetorical.

If you want to point out the differences between men and women as not being a social construct then you simply need to point out biology and how societies have been shaped historically that are a-socially constructed. Men are bigger and stronger, women get pregnant, men and women have different brains, all surviving societies regardless of their cultural similarity or difference have universally been patriarchal, most men and women want to be "men and women" regardless of their culture, etc.

[Leo Gura]

7 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

the only difference between men and women are different physical and hormonal configuration (designed for the reproduction of the species) and that´s it.

And the psychology that comes with that.

What you say can only hold if you have not had extensive dealings with women.

Edited October 9 by Leo Gura

[thedoorsareopen]

When I was a kid I thought gender was meaningless.

But the masculine/feminine polarity is an interesting distinction to draw. I find it interesting from a metaphysical perspective that this is one of the polarities of our existence. I mean, on one level it's the difference between "I am everything," and "I am something." 

[Davino]

8 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

What you say can only hold if you have not had extensive dealings with women.

I was gonna point that out also but there's plenty of men that still remain ignorant about these mechanics despite extensive exposure.

It is clear that both theoretical understanding and first hand experience are necessary to tackle the issue of feminine vs masculine

[Princess Arabia]

Well, you did say, you think. The Universe is also masculine and feminine. 

[Keryo Koffa]

4 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

Well, you did say, you think. The Universe is also masculine and feminine. 

The universe is also cheese and pepperoni 😁

[Basman]

I've met a couple of really big guys in my life in their early 20s/late teens who where over two meter tall, 100+ kg, and they universally all had this big ego and bashfulness to them and act very assertive and callous.

Of course, when you are really big you don't have to care or relate to other people on an eye to eye level because people are afraid of you, which shapes your personality. You are a lot less scared of consequences when your bigger and stronger than most people. Women on the contrary are much more scared of consequences on average.

That is just an example of how physicality shapes your psychology.

[Emerald]

On 10/8/2024 at 5:09 PM, Wyeth said:

@Emerald Do you think there is a way for someone to realize that masculine and feminine are more than purely social constructs without using psychedelics? I have many friends who think masc and fem are only social constructs and I've been at a loss of words trying to explain to them that such a thing is not the case.

I tend to just leave people to believe what they already believe, as I already have connections with lots of people who are on the same wavelength as me that I can have these conversations with.

And prior to having that, any desire that I had to try to get people to pick up on the realities that I do was because of more self-focused reasons... like wanting to have deeper conversations or wanting to not feel alone in my perspective. So, my question is... why do you want them to understand that Masculine and Feminine are more than just social constructs?

But I can pick up these 'energies' all the time now... just in subtler ways compared to when I've been under the influence of Ayahuasca. Once you recognize it in these sensitive states, you can sense it playing out in all things. And it doesn't even have a lot to do with human gender... or humanity at all.

Without the direct experience (which someone could pick up on without psychedelics), it's really just a matter of encouraging people to tune into subtle vibes. And with enough clarity and focus, there could be a realization of Masculine/Feminine vibes.

[Leo Gura]

You can contemplate the masculine/feminine distinction for years and comprehend it deeper, and deeper, and deeper.

Edited October 12 by Leo Gura

[LordFall]

@Javfly33 You arguing against duality itself. The whole point of nonduality isn't that duality doesn't exist; it's that it's not the ultimate truth. Some people like to fuck, others to get fucked and some people enjoy both. Those are pretty extremes modes of being though. 

Femininity definitely exists. There is a reason some humans like to doll themselves up and present themselves as a prize to be fought over by other humans. If I was a god split into various parts that would be a pretty obvious duality to take sweet advantage of. 

[Javfly33]

24 minutes ago, LordFall said:

@Javfly33 You arguing against duality itself. The whole point of nonduality isn't that duality doesn't exist; it's that it's not the ultimate truth. Some people like to fuck, others to get fucked and some people enjoy both. Those are pretty extremes modes of being though. 

Femininity definitely exists. There is a reason some humans like to doll themselves up and present themselves as a prize to be fought over by other humans. If I was a god split into various parts that would be a pretty obvious duality to take sweet advantage of. 

You can fuck but the only purpose of fucking is having children.

Everything else is karmic entanglement.

Reject this Truth and pay the price of your entanglement in the dream. 

[LordFall]

Sounds like spiritual bypassing if you're too good for fucking because of karmic entanglement lol