Israel and Palestine: Both Sides' BS by ChatGPT

[Nivsch]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

If you really want to know the history, read the book The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine by Ilan Pappe. It sources all the evidence.

Ok. On it ☕️

[Nemra]

Customize your ChatGPT to answer the way you want, for example, truthful, not biased, detailed, comprehensive, or think like such and such ways (SD Tier 2), etc. 

Edited October 9 by Nemra

[Leo Gura]

34 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

How may I formulate my question better? I am asking not for this topic necessairly but in general because I consult with him in other topics. And yes I understand and agree that the 99% of the thinking I have to do myself what I try always to do.

There is no simple answer to that. You need a deep background of knowledge to ask the right questions.

After reading some books on Israel and the Middle East you then can formulate quality questions.

The more your educate yourself the better questions you will be capable of asking.

Just to test this, I asked Claude to give me quotes of Israeli leaders who advocated ethnic cleansing before 1948. It gave me 5 quotes from Ben-Gurion and others. I knew how to frame the question because I read books about the history.

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[Leo Gura]

29 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

Ok. On it ☕️

Great. Have fun!

[Nemra]

@Leo Gura, do you think that education through AI isn't reliable?

[Leo Gura]

1 minute ago, Nemra said:

@Leo Gura, do you think that education through AI isn't reliable?

AI is not an education, it is one tool in a decades long education process.

Education requires reading serious books. That's the bedrock. Then you can use AI on top of that.

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[Nemra]

@Leo Gura, I agree that it's just one tool, but it's damn amazing.

Well, the AI can guide me into reading those books or knowing authors.

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[Leo Gura]

2 minutes ago, Nemra said:

@Leo Gura

Well, the AI can guide me into reading those books or knowing authors.

Only if you are wise enough to ask the right questions.

[Nemra]

@Leo Gura, sure, you learn on the go, in this case on AI, just how you pick books to read based on your previous picks.

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[Nemra]

@Leo Gura, do you think that the two generated responses that I posted weren't good?

[Leo Gura]

10 minutes ago, Nemra said:

@Leo Gura, do you think that the two generated responses that I posted weren't good?

It is okay, but not a deep understanding of the issue.

To really understand the issue requires synthesizing a lot of stuff and thinking through the morality and the political chicanery. This is not an issue you can "both sides" your way through. A moral consciousness is needed.

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[Davino]

5 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

A moral consciousness is needed.

Interesting that you use this word. I've been having reflections on the topic: Is conscious Leadership a moral duty for mature beings?

[Nemra]

@Leo Gura, I'm trying to do that and want to use AI besides the stuff you provide.

[Leo Gura]

1 minute ago, Nemra said:

@Leo Gura, I'm trying to do that and want to use AI besides the stuff you provide.

AI is a great tool if used properly by a wise mind.

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[Thought Art]

3 hours ago, Nivsch said:

What do you mean?

The pain of loving people when they fight amongst themselves.

[Nivsch]

The fact there are 2 Million Arabs currently inside Israeli cities and villages living normally and in peace together with the Jews, demonstrates that the Cleansing mentality isn't rooted deeply in the heart of Jews but it is a byproduct of a combination of conditions that has to come together in order for that attitude to arise, what of course does not justify them.

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[zazen]

15 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

The fact there are 2 Million Arabs right now inside Israeli cities and villages living normally and in peace together with the Jews, is a proof that the Cleansing mentality isn't rooted deeply in the heart of Jews but it is a byproduct of a combination of conditions that has to come together in order for the Jews to want that, what of course does not come to justify it.

I think the issue isn’t that Israel wants to cleanse the Arabs already within it, but those outside of it - to expand its territorial claim.

The reason the Arabs already in Israel aren’t a problem is because they don’t make up a majority, which is how Israel intends to exist - as a majority Jewish state, with a majority Jewish control.

Most of my in laws live in Nazareth and have decent lives for the most part. But the Palestinians who live in Gaza and West Bank have completely different lives which is where the problem is.

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[Nemra]

57 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

AI is a great tool if used properly by a wise mind.

Can't I become wise by using it along with other methods?

For example, I've created a study plan to study philosophy based on my preferences, with the AI acting as a guide or teacher.

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[Nivsch]

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Great. Have fun!

Thanks

[Sandhu]

7 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

@Nivsch You asked it such a poorly framed question that it gave you a useless answer.

I've already shared with you quotes from Ben-Gurion about his plans for ethnic cleansing from the 1930s.

If you really want to know the history, read the book The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine by Ilan Pappe. It sources all the evidence.

Be careful misusing AI. AI is not going to do your thinking for you. If you ask it bad questions it will give you bad answers.

Does or can AI transcend the social systems understanding paradox?