Playlist For Understanding Israel Deception

[Topspin715]

11 hours ago, Twentyfirst said:

Worry about racism coming from your own ethnostate before judging me. I am just fine thank you very much

I'm not going to continue this conversation if you refuse to recognize or take responsibility for your own bad behavior unless you are literally a Palestinian because it's simply inexcusable otherwise to harbor so much hatred.

[Twentyfirst]

14 minutes ago, Topspin715 said:

I'm not going to continue this conversation if you refuse to recognize or take responsibility for your own bad behavior unless you are literally a Palestinian because it's simply inexcusable otherwise to harbor so much hatred.

You're still on about my background. As if the truth caters to where somebody is from or not from 

Ok bye bye victim.

Edited January 17 by Twentyfirst

[Topspin715]

1 hour ago, Twentyfirst said:

You're still on about my background. As if the truth caters to where somebody is from or not from 

Ok bye bye victim.

Does the mere existence of a single person being racist elsewhere justify your racism?  When you keep cherry picking single "truths" while ignoring your own, it's the extreme opposite of holistic.

[Raze]

 

[Twentyfirst]

57 minutes ago, Topspin715 said:

Does the mere existence of a single person being racist elsewhere justify your racism?  When you keep cherry picking single "truths" while ignoring your own, it's the extreme opposite of holistic.

When was I racist? Or expressing hatred as you called it? I truly don't understand 

Not everyone is out to get you. You are always on edge waiting for an attack that isn't coming or geared toward you

[Topspin715]

You probably would have said the same exact thing on October 6th, 2023.  This is just a three year period, I couldn't find more recent data.

[Raze]

1 hour ago, Topspin715 said:

You probably would have said the same exact thing on October 6th, 2023.  

- 2021 had been the deadliest year for children in the West Bank in decades, 2022 was even deadlier, and 2023 by September had already broken the record of Palestinian children killed.

- in 2023 prior to Oct 6 Israel had already air striked Gaza 

- in Gaza, only 4% had access to clean water, 40% were unemployed, there were high rates of lead poisoning and PTSD

- israel refused to lift the blockade and refused to stop expanding settlements 

Yet, you would probably buy Israel’s statement there was peace on Oct 6 and Hamas broke the ceasefire.

You don’t consider the day to day violence israel inflicts on Palestinians by the nature of occupying them, when you do that it looks like they attack out of nowhere.

[Leo Gura]

11 hours ago, Twentyfirst said:

Zionist delusions are on another level.

[Twentyfirst]

28 minutes ago, Raze said:

- 2021 had been the deadliest year for children in the West Bank in decades, 2022 was even deadlier, and 2023 by September had already broken the record of Palestinian children killed.

- in 2023 prior to Oct 6 Israel had already air striked Gaza 

- in Gaza, only 4% had access to clean water, 40% were unemployed, there were high rates of lead poisoning and PTSD

- israel refused to lift the blockade and refused to stop expanding settlements 

Yet, you would probably buy Israel’s statement there was peace on Oct 6 and Hamas broke the ceasefire.

You don’t consider the day to day violence israel inflicts on Palestinians by the nature of occupying them, when you do that it looks like they attack out of nowhere.

Don't forget not only was there all this violence. But the future was hopeless. Israel had no plan for Gaza. Meaning they wanted to trap them there forever. So generation after generation babies would be born inside Gaza and eventually if they lived a full life die inside of Gaza under occupation the entire time. So messed up

[Twentyfirst]

 

Ben Shaprios favorite word is terrorist. The issue is he doesn't own a mirror at home

[PurpleTree]

33 minutes ago, Raze said:

- 2021 had been the deadliest year for children in the West Bank in decades, 2022 was even deadlier, and 2023 by September had already broken the record of Palestinian children killed.

- in 2023 prior to Oct 6 Israel had already air striked Gaza 

- in Gaza, only 4% had access to clean water, 40% were unemployed, there were high rates of lead poisoning and PTSD

- israel refused to lift the blockade and refused to stop expanding settlements 

Yet, you would probably buy Israel’s statement there was peace on Oct 6 and Hamas broke the ceasefire.

You don’t consider the day to day violence israel inflicts on Palestinians by the nature of occupying them, when you do that it looks like they attack out of nowhere.

Yea the PTSD must be insane. I hope once this conflict calms down and they rebuild etc. they try to treat people with MDMA, psylocibin etc.

[Nivsch]

45 minutes ago, Raze said:

the nature of occupying them

This is a misleading picture. The reality is a complex feedback loop between increasing security threats and the tightening of the IDF's control in the West Bank, with intricate causal dynamics.

[Twentyfirst]

Israel doesn't let Palestinians born in Palestine back into the West Bank and never have let them return. Ethnic cleansing is not only expelling but refusing right of return. They don't let dependents of native born ones return either. And they use it as a bargaining chip in negotiations basically saying that option is off the table

[Twentyfirst]

Similarities of speech from one oppressive regime to another 

 

[Twentyfirst]

The both sides are equally at fault and equally fueling the conflict deception

[Twentyfirst]

 

[Twentyfirst]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNW2p0nTEto

The video above is where Nas Daily tells Israelis and Palestinians to just make peace. Why didn't anyone think of that before? Debunk video below

 

[Twentyfirst]

Hasbara

[Lila9]

This is an interesting thread and I value the attempt to penetrate the delusions of what you call the “Zionist project”. This is interesting to view ourselves from a different perspective.

A truthful gaze at any aspect of human existence is what humanity collectively needs the most. 

I have watched some of the content and I can understand the backlash that Israel receives, to some extent. But it appears that this thread is an echo chamber of convincing those who are already convinced. This thread is a big bias confirmation pool.
 
This thread gives the impression that the Palestinian perspective is intact of delusions, corruption, manipulation.

One may have been heavily manipulated by the Palestinian point of view but he will never know that. 

[Lila9]

Just now, gambler said:

All the pro Palestinian people here believe Israel has a right to exist and accepted by its neighbors. All of us condemn the terrorism of Hamas. We all believe in the right of Jews to live with dignity and the freedom to live non-violently. None of the pro Israel crowd here gives two sheckels about Palestinian suffering. The entire time this conflict went on, they kept trying to detract and minimize the suffering inflicting. But of course, we’re heavily manipulated it seems. 

It’s not what appears in the comments. I have read them and was horrified by the level of hatred towards Israel and the lack of genuine willingness to understand, whether direct or subtle. If this is the vibe, the responses from the pro-Israel perspective will naturally be more defensive because they feel attacked.

The Palestinian suffering matters, and if you ask me personally, it matters to me a lot. But it’s not easy. If you are an Israeli living in Israel for a while, who has either survived or experienced terror attacks by Palestinians, or lost someone you know because of a terror attack by a Palestinian, when you see Palestinians celebrating the October 7 attacks or any terror attacks on Israelis, you naturally associate Palestinians with fear of death and loss of your security. From this place, it’s difficult to empathize with them, because of fear. The fear of death is huge. It’s difficult to be more empathetic to the suffering of those who hurt you than to your own suffering and the suffering of your people, family, and community.

If you ask a Palestinian, “Do you empathize with the suffering of Israelis, who lost their innocent loved ones in terror attacks, have seen their parents or children killed by Hamas terrorists in the most brutal ways, or some radicalized Palestinian boys, were captured by Hamas, or know someone dear to them who was captured by Hamas?” would they find it easy or difficult to empathize with the suffering of Israelis?

They would very likely find it difficult to empathize with Israelis, especially if they or their families experienced any hurt from Israelis. And you would 100% understand them, and you would be correct to do so.

Because it is only human to find it difficult to empathize with those who have hurt you, misled you, and proved you wrong.

It would be wrong to expect sainthood from people who have been hurt, whether they are Israelis or Palestinians. Humans, at their core, are very similar to each other. We are very myopic and shortsighted because of survival.

So why doesn’t the same standard apply to Israelis, who are heavily traumatized by what you see as the “Palestinian resistance”?

We are a traumatized nation. Whether it’s by the long Jewish history of persecution or by the terror Israelis experienced on this land. Could you understand that? I am not saying that justifies any killings of innocent Palestinians, definitely not. but when you are traumatized to your core, it is difficult to acknowledge the suffering of others because you yourself are in pain and fear and in defense mode. You need to make some effort, do some work, and find some healing in order to recognize the suffering of your enemy and seek solutions.

I say “enemy,” and I don’t really mean it because Palestinians are not my enemies, not our enemies in the absolute sense. They are actually our family. Like any other nation, we are all part of the huge human family.

I want them to see Jews as their lost family and to seek reconciliation rather than destruction. I want them to channel their rage in a productive way to prosper. I want to see their children reach adulthood and live long lives without dying early by becoming martyrs. I want them to have a resistance, because they deserve it, but the kind that doesn’t celebrate the death of innocents or follow an Islamic ideology to liberate a piece of stone (Al-Aqsa in Jerusalem).

Maybe then it would be much more easier to Israelis to see them and to empathize with their suffering, and the tragedy of נכבה. Because then, we wouldn’t be in a constant defense mode.  And it would be also more difficult to our leaders to manipulate us using fear because we will see in our eyes that Palestinians have no intentions to harm us. Which unfortunately isn’t the case now, especially after the October 7.

I often feel like the pro-Palestinian perspective justifies their low-consciousness behavior and accepts their dysfunctionality simply because they believe they are right.

It’s like a mother allowing a child, whose toy was stolen, taken, sold, or suddenly disappeared, to hurt himself and others in his rage simply because he is right. without attempting to guide him to channel his rage in a productive manner, toward healing and prosperity, and into a better adulthood.