Playlist For Understanding Israel Deception

[Twentyfirst]

What do you do when the most powerful nations, the most heavily armed, the most brutal regimes that the world has ever seen wages war on your country for over a century? 

[Leo Gura]

3 hours ago, Topspin715 said:

escalated when the Jewish state was invaded by seven Arab armies

An untruthful Zionist framing of that situation.

Edited January 13 by Leo Gura

[Twentyfirst]

 

[Twentyfirst]

IDF deception 

[Topspin715]

39 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

An untruthful Zionist framing of that situation.

No it's not, but if that's the kind of response you would like to give then is then it's pretty clear you aren't actually interested in truth sadly.

[gambler]

Just now, Topspin715 said:

No it's not, but if that's the kind of response you would like to give then is then it's pretty clear you aren't actually interested in truth sadly.

Ok PragerU.

[Twentyfirst]

2 minutes ago, Topspin715 said:

No it's not, but if that's the kind of response you would like to give then is then it's pretty clear you aren't actually interested in truth sadly.

Ok victim. 

[Topspin715]

Thanks for those thoughtful responses

[Twentyfirst]

17 minutes ago, Topspin715 said:

Thanks for those thoughtful responses

Nah you were right. We just aren't interested in the truth sadly 

[Raze]

5 hours ago, Topspin715 said:

No it's not, but if that's the kind of response you would like to give then is then it's pretty clear you aren't actually interested in truth sadly.

Then why did Deir Yassin happen before the invasion?

[Twentyfirst]

2 hours ago, Raze said:

Then why did Deir Yassin happen before the invasion?

Why did the Balfour Declaration happen decades before Hitler?

If Jews wanted to return to their divine homeland then why did they look at conquering other countries before Palestine such as Uganda?

The evidence is already there. There are people who choose to see it and people who choose to remain blind

Edited January 13 by Twentyfirst

[Topspin715]

2 hours ago, Raze said:

Then why did Deir Yassin happen before the invasion?

 "The Arab League Secretary General, Abdul Rahman Hassan Azzam, declaring in 1947 that, were a war to take place with the proposed establishment of a Jewish state, it would lead to 'a war of extermination and momentous massacre which will be spoken of like the Mongolian massacre and the Crusades.'"

You absolutely have to go back in time to understand the root causes of the conflict.  Anybody who says otherwise, is not speaking in good faith and speaking from a place of prejudice.  In some sense, the Arab Israeli conflict is almost like a peripheral theater of WW1 and WW2 that has not yet been resolved.  Who or what do you blame for the start of WW1 or the 30 Years War?  It is somewhat like that.

[Raze]

Interview with former state department official from 60 minutes:

 

[Twentyfirst]

1 hour ago, Topspin715 said:

 "The Arab League Secretary General, Abdul Rahman Hassan Azzam, declaring in 1947 that, were a war to take place with the proposed establishment of a Jewish state, it would lead to 'a war of extermination and momentous massacre which will be spoken of like the Mongolian massacre and the Crusades.'"

You absolutely have to go back in time to understand the root causes of the conflict.  Anybody who says otherwise, is not speaking in good faith and speaking from a place of prejudice.  In some sense, the Arab Israeli conflict is almost like a peripheral theater of WW1 and WW2 that has not yet been resolved.  Who or what do you blame for the start of WW1 or the 30 Years War?  It is somewhat like that.

Lol. That quote only proves the Jews were warned ahead of time but they didnt listen because they wanted to conquer by any means

What rights do Jews have in Palestine? What makes you think you are allowed to establish a state on someone else's land? Because "the British said so". And how exactly did that plan work out? Look where we are 75 years later. Who knew following the advice of the British, the most savage senseless colonizers the world has ever seen, would result in absolute failure? The biggest catastrophe ever

Not everyone licks the asshole of the British or recognizes their plan to give away 55% of their land as absolute divine truth. Believe it or not some people don't like to be stolen from 

Who cares about WW1 or WW2. These are European caused wars. Not middle eastern

Why go into the past? It only proves zionism as an absolute failure

Let's talk about now. Even today the Jews would rather build resorts on top of the bones of dead children rather than just live peacefully in Palestine. They have 78% of land but still want more. This is why zionism will fail in the end.

Edited January 13 by Twentyfirst

[Topspin715]

47 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said:

What makes you think you are allowed to establish a state on someone else's land? Because "the British said so". And how exactly did that plan work out? Look where we are 75 years later.

It was not just the British.  It was the Western powers and also the League of Nations and United Nations.  The Ottoman Empire collapsed after WW1 but it was foreseeable 50 years before then.  What right did the Ottoman Empire have to that land and who had the right to take the land after an empire collapsed?  This exact issue was called the Eastern Question and was debated for nearly 100 years while the European powers figured out what to do with a declining Ottoman Empire.

Up until that point in history, when an empire collapsed, its neighbors very often took control over it to fill the power vacuum.  WW2 was the turning point in world history where the West decided to decolonize.

[Topspin715]

1 hour ago, Raze said:

Interview with former state department official from 60 minutes:

 

I watched the video but I'm not sure what specifically you are trying to highlight.  There was an unprecedented amount of political resignations following October 7th but at the same time the State Department remained very divided.  With the American empire declining in its power, influence, and legitimacy, the Pax America is beginning to unravel.  There is a legitimate debate as to whether providing weapons to Israel would prolong and intensify the military conflict or make things worse in the region.  I honestly don't have the military judgment to have a worthy opinion on that.  If I were the head of state for US or Israel, I don't know what should be done to de-escalate the long standing conflict.

[Raze]

1 hour ago, Topspin715 said:

 "The Arab League Secretary General, Abdul Rahman Hassan Azzam, declaring in 1947 that, were a war to take place with the proposed establishment of a Jewish state, it would lead to 'a war of extermination and momentous massacre which will be spoken of like the Mongolian massacre and the Crusades.'"

You absolutely have to go back in time to understand the root causes of the conflict.  Anybody who says otherwise, is not speaking in good faith and speaking from a place of prejudice.  In some sense, the Arab Israeli conflict is almost like a peripheral theater of WW1 and WW2 that has not yet been resolved.  Who or what do you blame for the start of WW1 or the 30 Years War?  It is somewhat like that.

The quote you gave was just a statement, not an actual invasion.

You said the nakba was an escalation resulting of the invasion, so why did deir yassin happen prior to the invasion?

Edited January 13 by Raze

[Raze]

13 hours ago, Topspin715 said:

The conflict precedes Israeli settlement in the West Bank by over 50 years.  While the settlements are easily a source of friction, they are very very very far from the root cause.  A simple Israeli withdrawal from the West Bank would accomplish very little and may even make matters worse.  Look to the 2005 unilateral disengagement from Gaza to gain more perspective.

The disengagement from Gaza was directly followed by a continual blockade and control of gazas airspace and everything and enters or leaves. Leaked emails from Israeli officials show them admitting the purpose was to keep the economy on the brink of collapse.

What is the security purpose of letting civilian settlers seize land in the West Bank and supporting them as they regularly kill Palestinian civilians? 

[Twentyfirst]

52 minutes ago, Topspin715 said:

It was not just the British.  It was the Western powers and also the League of Nations and United Nations.  The Ottoman Empire collapsed after WW1 but it was foreseeable 50 years before then.  What right did the Ottoman Empire have to that land and who had the right to take the land after an empire collapsed?  This exact issue was called the Eastern Question and was debated for nearly 100 years while the European powers figured out what to do with a declining Ottoman Empire.

Up until that point in history, when an empire collapsed, its neighbors very often took control over it to fill the power vacuum.  WW2 was the turning point in world history where the West decided to decolonize.

The same Western powers that caused the holocaust? The same ones that created "human rights" and spread their "morals and ethics" to the rest of the world? The hypocrites that don't follow their own rules?

Are you aware all the laws that the west and the UN created, such as the right of return for example and the settlements, are not being followed by Israel? Even today in 2025

Palestinian people were living on that land for over 1,000 years. 

Your logic doesn't make sense. If I have "power" over a family and their house, and I tell you it's okay to go kill them and steal their house, and you do it. Does that make it okay?

Edited January 13 by Twentyfirst

[Twentyfirst]

One of the biggest deceptions is that the Jews needed a homeland after Hitler was defeated

If you look at the similarity between Germany using paranoia to start WW2 and zionism they are strikingly similar. Germany started WW2 because they thought the world was against them after WW1. And zionists invaded Palestine because they thought the only choice of survival was to ethically cleanse another group 

The irony of both situations is Germany became successful after WW2 proving that the world wasn't against them. And zionism actually created the most dangerous situation for Jews. Basically a never ending holocaust where they are crammed into a geography where all their neighbors hate them and will never stop fighting until they get their land back