Playlist For Understanding Israel Deception

[Aaron p]

@Raze Im just dipping my toes into some unfamiliar territory here lol. Politics is very complex. It's obvious that Israel has been a naughty boy even though I was indoctrinated with right wing information through my entire life. Was Israel not the OG owners of that area of land? It would explain (but wouldn't justify) why they're being so reactionary. Like it actually reminds me of my own countries political problems, northern Ireland...when the Brits took over Ireland and started fucking them up they reacted with blowing Belfast to high hell for 30 years, and while employing terrorist methodologies was clearly the wrong way, the essence of their motivation was correct, it was originally their land...

Im probably way off the mark as I need to educate myself way more about this all but yeh

[Raze]

6 minutes ago, Aaron p said:

@Raze Im just dipping my toes into some unfamiliar territory here lol. Politics is very complex. It's obvious that Israel has been a naughty boy even though I was indoctrinated with right wing information through my entire life. Was Israel not the OG owners of that area of land? It would explain (but wouldn't justify) why they're being so reactionary. Like it actually reminds me of my own countries political problems, northern Ireland...when the Brits took over Ireland and started fucking them up they reacted with blowing Belfast to high hell for 30 years, and while employing terrorist methodologies was clearly the wrong way, the essence of their motivation was correct, it was originally their land...

Im probably way off the mark as I need to educate myself way more about this all but yeh

They certainly think it is 

[Twentyfirst]

4 hours ago, Aaron p said:

@Raze Im just dipping my toes into some unfamiliar territory here lol. Politics is very complex. It's obvious that Israel has been a naughty boy even though I was indoctrinated with right wing information through my entire life. Was Israel not the OG owners of that area of land? It would explain (but wouldn't justify) why they're being so reactionary. Like it actually reminds me of my own countries political problems, northern Ireland...when the Brits took over Ireland and started fucking them up they reacted with blowing Belfast to high hell for 30 years, and while employing terrorist methodologies was clearly the wrong way, the essence of their motivation was correct, it was originally their land...

Im probably way off the mark as I need to educate myself way more about this all but yeh

Your grandparents are older than Israel

There was always Jews on that land as well as in the Middle East in general

There were other people there too

The same Jews that used to live there 2,000 years ago are not the same ones that "returned"

Theres much more to it then that but you gotta already have the basics on this topic if you want to talk advanced points

[Aaron p]

Ok so I'm gathering that the kingdom of Israel has existed for around 3k years, but lots of them got chased away then came back and formed a modern, recognised, sovereign political state in the 1940's with the help of the UK. Then the Jews roll in and start fucking shit up for the Palestinian civilians. No doubt Israel is wrong with their methods and it's clear you can't just dislodge thousands of people...but it's also clear that historically, this was the Jews holy land. Which would explain why their being so agro. Of course metaphysically all ownership is a delusion...but politically, it was Jewish territory first was it not?

[Raze]

3 hours ago, Aaron p said:

Ok so I'm gathering that the kingdom of Israel has existed for around 3k years, but lots of them got chased away then came back and formed a modern, recognised, sovereign political state in the 1940's with the help of the UK. Then the Jews roll in and start fucking shit up for the Palestinian civilians. No doubt Israel is wrong with their methods and it's clear you can't just dislodge thousands of people...but it's also clear that historically, this was the Jews holy land. Which would explain why their being so agro. Of course metaphysically all ownership is a delusion...but politically, it was Jewish territory first was it not?

If you are allowed to just take land because 3000 years ago your ancestors loved there people would be fighting all over. The native Americans would be allowed to take over New York City. 

 In addition modern genetic evidence shows Palestinians are related to the original inhabitants

 

[Aaron p]

3 hours ago, Raze said:

If you are allowed to just take land because 3000 years ago your ancestors loved there people would be fighting all over. The native Americans would be allowed to take over New York City. 

 In addition modern genetic evidence shows Palestinians are related to the original inhabitants

Yeah, I think it goes back to Abraham's two sons, one spawns the Jewish faith and the other spawns the islamic faith. So they're probably all related, Muslims actually consider Christians to be their spiritual cousins Im pretty sure. It's obvious that UK and USA will support Jews because Christianity stems from Judaism and once again, there's clearly evidence that Israel is doing bad stuff that is unacceptable.

Although in the spirit of rigorous truth finding...I'm not 100% sure if it would be fair to compare Jews and israel with native Americans and new York. There are energetic subtleties to the Israeli situation...like it's not just political, it's massively spiritual and religious...all of western civilization stemmed from Jewish Israel and of course yeshua/isho. I think there are powerful religious and spiritual dynamics to consider as well as political

Something tells me Israel will give up precisely when cows fly...

Edited February 10 by Aaron p

[Raze]

30 minutes ago, Aaron p said:

Yeah, I think it goes back to Abraham's two sons, one spawns the Jewish faith and the other spawns the islamic faith. So they're probably all related, Muslims actually consider Christians to be their spiritual cousins Im pretty sure. It's obvious that UK and USA will support Jews because Christianity stems from Judaism and once again, there's clearly evidence that Israel is doing bad stuff that is unacceptable.

Although in the spirit of rigorous truth finding...I'm not 100% sure if it would be fair to compare Jews and israel with native Americans and new York. There are energetic subtleties to the Israeli situation...like it's not just political, it's massively spiritual and religious...all of western civilization stemmed from Jewish Israel and of course yeshua/isho. I think there are powerful religious and spiritual dynamics to consider as well as political

Something tells me Israel will give up precisely when cows fly...

The ancient story is Jews were expelled but probably many stayed and intermarried and overtime became modern day Palestinians. 

When zionists first wanted to establish a homeland for Jews, the religious Jews preferred Africa. But they decided on Palestine because of the biblical connection to give it religious legitimacy. 

Now in Israel there is a movement that thinks they need to take over greater Israel and destroy Al aqsa mosque and rebuild the third temple to bring about the end times

In the US there is a large evangelical population and because ancient Israel is mentioned in the Bible they think modern Israel will bring the end times. 
 

[Aaron p]

4 minutes ago, Raze said:

The ancient story is Jews were expelled but probably many stayed and intermarried and overtime became modern day Palestinians. 

When zionists first wanted to establish a homeland for Jews, the religious Jews preferred Africa. But they decided on Palestine because of the biblical connection to give it religious legitimacy. 

Now in Israel there is a movement that thinks they need to take over greater Israel and destroy Al aqsa mosque and rebuild the third temple to bring about the end times

In the US there is a large evangelical population and because ancient Israel is mentioned in the Bible they think modern Israel will bring the end times. 
 

3 hours ago, Raze said:

 

...the second coming of jesus

[Topspin715]

10 hours ago, Raze said:

If you are allowed to just take land because 3000 years ago your ancestors loved there people would be fighting all over. The native Americans would be allowed to take over New York City. 

 In addition modern genetic evidence shows Palestinians are related to the original inhabitants

95% of Jews living in Israel today were born after 1948 or were less than 18 years old.  Modern Jews are also related to the original inhabitants from the Levant, which makes this conflict even worse as they are fairly close genetic relatives.

[Hatfort]

17 hours ago, Topspin715 said:

95% of Jews living in Israel today were born after 1948 or were less than 18 years old.  Modern Jews are also related to the original inhabitants from the Levant, which makes this conflict even worse as they are fairly close genetic relatives.

Well, but about half of the total colonizers arrived after the 90s mostly from the ex-Soviet countries like Russia or Ukraine, those are pretty much alive because it's recent. Understandably colonizers that stole the land and homes of the native people by murdering and displacing them have had children born in occupied Palestine, but that's how colonization works. Yet they want to kick Palestinians to Jordan and Egypt, that's the conversation now. But they are not leaving.

[Topspin715]

4 hours ago, Hatfort said:

Well, but about half of the total colonizers arrived after the 90s mostly from the ex-Soviet countries like Russia or Ukraine, those are pretty much alive because it's recent. Understandably colonizers that stole the land and homes of the native people by murdering and displacing them have had children born in occupied Palestine, but that's how colonization works. Yet they want to kick Palestinians to Jordan and Egypt, that's the conversation now. But they are not leaving.

About a million Jewish people migrated from the Soviet Union to Israel after the USSR collapsed so not even close to a half.

This way of seeing the world is so simplistic.  Do you think anybody who legally migrates to the US or Europe is a "colonizer"?

Colonialism has existed since ancient times.  After WW2, the world more or less agreed to respect territorial boundaries, but we have a legacy of colonialism across the entire planet.

[Hatfort]

31 minutes ago, Topspin715 said:

About a million Jewish people migrated from the Soviet Union to Israel after the USSR collapsed so not even close to a half.

This way of seeing the world is so simplistic.  Do you think anybody who legally migrates to the US or Europe is a "colonizer"?

Colonialism has existed since ancient times.  After WW2, the world more or less agreed to respect territorial boundaries, but we have a legacy of colonialism across the entire planet.

Read well, I said mostly from the ex-soviet countries, not all, and I clearly wrote since the 90s. So if it was a million from there, the rest from other countries, and yes, in total, they are close to half of the total colonizers. Above 40%, so they are pretty much alive as said and of course they have had descendants, as the ones that previously went to that place from others, that's how colonizations work.

Immigration is something different, people move from one country to another and adapt, keeping an understandable link to their roots. Going somewhere else in mass and changing the name of the country, its flag, and making it an ethnostate for your kind, that pretty much suits the definition of colonization, in short. They could have moved to Palestine, lived there peacefully, and adapt to the laws of there, that would be immigration. But going there murdering and stealing their land, that's colonization to the letter, with periodical ethnic cleansing campaigns, the last one we've just witnessed.

[Topspin715]

2 hours ago, Hatfort said:

Read well, I said mostly from the ex-soviet countries, not all, and I clearly wrote since the 90s. So if it was a million from there, the rest from other countries, and yes, in total, they are close to half of the total colonizers. Above 40%, so they are pretty much alive as said and of course they have had descendants, as the ones that previously went to that place from others, that's how colonizations work.

Immigration is something different, people move from one country to another and adapt, keeping an understandable link to their roots. Going somewhere else in mass and changing the name of the country, its flag, and making it an ethnostate for your kind, that pretty much suits the definition of colonization, in short. They could have moved to Palestine, lived there peacefully, and adapt to the laws of there, that would be immigration. But going there murdering and stealing their land, that's colonization to the letter, with periodical ethnic cleansing campaigns, the last one we've just witnessed.

There 1.6m million immigrants in total since the 90s, beyond just the USSR, so no, not even close to 50%.

You seem to be very ignorant about history and basic facts so not worth continuing this.

[Hatfort]

18 hours ago, Topspin715 said:

There 1.6m million immigrants in total since the 90s, beyond just the USSR, so no, not even close to 50%.

You seem to be very ignorant about history and basic facts so not worth continuing this.

There have been 1.5 million direct colonizers since the 90s, which means many of them are still alive. That's a lot considering the size and total population of that land. You didn't understand what I wrote, almost half of the total direct colonizers arrived after the 90s, that's factual. That's not the same as half the total population, if that's what you understood, because obviously, these direct colonizers have had children through the years, that's how colonization works. Apart from the systematic violence, the apartheid system, periodical ethnic cleansing, and mass murder campaigns that the Zionists have inflicted on the indigenous people, who are the Palestinians.

[Raze]

 

 

[Twentyfirst]

On 2/11/2025 at 2:25 AM, Topspin715 said:

95% of Jews living in Israel today were born after 1948 or were less than 18 years old.  Modern Jews are also related to the original inhabitants from the Levant, which makes this conflict even worse as they are fairly close genetic relatives.

What does that even mean

They are of European decent. They have like 0% Levant culture or way of life

They think talk and act like westerners