Playlist For Understanding Israel Deception

[Twentyfirst]

Another Zionist DECEPTION is that there is something natural inside human nature that once a group of people are being genocided and face extermination even after the enemy (Nazis) is defeated that they will naturally due to human nature go and do that to another group of people. That after a genocide human nature prevails rational conscious thought and those people JUST HAVE TO go harm another group

Even though in no history of genocide such as Rwanda or Cambodia or whatever else did the victims go on to become aggressors and repeat the same thing. There is absolutely no proof of this zionist claim

There is no human nature that does that. Actually the opposite. It makes you not want to carry that pain onto another group of people 

Lies on top of lies on top of lies

I don't really have a video for this to add to the playlist. But you get what I mean

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[Twentyfirst]

2 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Are you OK?  I recall normally you're more stable than this.  You don't normally resort to name calling.  

 

Don't accuse me of bullshit and then we are fine. Otherwise Im not gonna be so nice to you

[Inliytened1]

Just now, Twentyfirst said:

Don't accuse me of bullshit and then we are fine. Otherwise Im not gonna be so nice to you

I'm not going to hold a mature intelligent dialogue with you if you aren't able to hold one.

 

[Twentyfirst]

3 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

I'm not going to hold a mature intelligent dialogue with you if you aren't able to hold one.

 

Then leave my sight! If you aren't gonna find the quote where I condone violence or apologize for making accusations then get the hell outta here 

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[Inliytened1]

1 minute ago, Twentyfirst said:

Then leave my sight! if you aren't gonna find the quote where I condone violence get the hell outta here

No..i want you to say you don't condone the violence on Jan 7 where Israel was attacked.  Or are you too biased to say that?

[Twentyfirst]

Just now, Inliytened1 said:

No..i want you to say you don't condone the violence on Jan 7 where Israel was attacked.  Or are you too biased to say that?

I will say whatever I want to say. You can't make me say shit 

[Inliytened1]

11 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said:

I will say whatever I want to say. You can't make me say shit 

Figures.  Your bias really shines though here.   You fail to acknowledge the struggles Israel has endured and you just want to focus on the people who you wish to defend.  

If you guys really want to have a high level perspective perhaps redo this entire thread and make it about humanity in general.  It will be much more accurate.   But to demonize a specific people is very low level.  

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[Topspin715]

14 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

No..i want you to say you don't condone the violence on Jan 7 where Israel was attacked.  Or are you too biased to say that?

I'm not sure that it's really fair or at least practical to demand this because violence is sometimes justified and Israel uses plenty of violence against innocent or at least undeserving Arabs.  I'm certainly not a promoter of terrorism but I feel like people are being performative when they say violence is never the answer.

Some of the pre-IDF paramilitaries engaged in acts of terrorism against both Arabs and Brits and a couple even became prime ministers.  I personally think that it's important to really wrestle with these things in a fair way.  We really need to collectively have the deep and tough questions to get to the bottom of this conflict and very few people are up to that task.

But for the record, I think Leo is very biased and superficial in his understanding of these dynamics.  History, politics, economics, social sciences, aren't his forte which is fine but that should be acknowledged too.

Twentyfirst does not actually seem interested in a peaceful resolution as he seems to want to use violence to forcibly expel Jews from Israel.  There are also some Jews that feel the same way about the Palestinians, but that in itself is a problem.  It's a clear dealbreaker.

Edited 13 hours ago by Topspin715

[Twentyfirst]

1 minute ago, Inliytened1 said:

Figures.  Your bias really shines though here.   You fail to acknowledge struggles Israel has endured and you just want to focus on the people who you wish to defend.  

If you guys really want to have a high level perspective perhaps redo this entire thread and make it about humanity in general.  It will be much more accurate.   But to demonize a specific people is very low level.  

 

20 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said:

Another Zionist DECEPTION is that there is something natural inside human nature that once a group of people are being genocided and face extermination even after the enemy (Nazis) is defeated that they will naturally due to human nature go and do that to another group of people. That after a genocide human nature prevails rational conscious thought and those people JUST HAVE TO go harm another group

Even though in no history of genocide such as Rwanda or Cambodia or whatever else did the victims go on to become aggressors and repeat the same thing. There is absolutely no proof of this zionist claim

There is no human nature that does that. Actually the opposite. It makes you not want to carry that pain onto another group of people 

Lies on top of lies on top of lies

I don't really have a video for this to add to the playlist. But you get what I mean

 

[Inliytened1]

@Twentyfirst this is not a comparison to Nazi Germany.  Germany wanted world domination.  Israel just wants to stop opposition which was commenced recently on Jan 7.   The casualties of defending one's nation is in fact sad - but do not compare this to Nazi Germany.  Israel is acting on defense.  If you think otherwise than you just look to history.  Israel isn't moving on other nations like Hitler did.

 

[Topspin715]

@Twentyfirst Where are you from?  Your English seems to be ESL which is fine but it's hard at times to understand what you are saying and it's worth discussing why you feel so emotional and angry about this subject.

[Inliytened1]

41 minutes ago, Topspin715 said:

I'm not sure that it's really fair or at least practical to demand this because violence is sometimes justified and

 

 

Exactly- agreed.   But since he said he doesn't condone violence i wanted to see if that was truly the case.

 

 

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[Inliytened1]

1 hour ago, Topspin715 said:

But for the record, I think Leo is very biased and superficial in his understanding of these dynamics.  History, politics, economics, social sciences, aren't his forte which is fine but that should be acknowledged too.

 

Well- I beg to differ. Leo is a smart guy - and the fact of the matter is everyone is blinded by bias. But his gift isn't spirituality it's being exceptionally open minded  in many areas.  He had an intuition for spirituality but his gift isn't there.  He needed psychedelics.  A spirituality gifted individual needs nothing.   Perhaps just meditation

 

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[Topspin715]

@Inliytened1 There's so so so much more to this than Israel is committing all these war crimes, oppressing the Palestinians, and the Jews stole their land.  I think it's horrible what's going on in Gaza and I personally think Netanyahu is being far too careless in crowded areas but I am not a military expert, nor do I really have a grasp of the practical realities on the ground over there.  So many people simplistically are pro or anti something, a person, or a movement, and it really shuts down thinking and dialog which is important for the collective consciousness.

But I do think his characterization of the early Zionist movements is inaccurate, and would also be unfair even if it were accurate.

The reality is the peace process has largely been dead since 2000 so I'm more interested in analyzing why it failed and how to spark a renewal because there's no way this is going to end cleanly without a reconciliation.

[Inliytened1]

4 minutes ago, Topspin715 said:

@Inliytened1 There's so so so much more to this than Israel is committing all these war crimes, oppressing the Palestinians, and the Jews stole their land.  I think it's horrible what's going on in Gaza and I personally think Netanyahu is being far too careless in crowded areas but I am not a military expert, nor do I really have a grasp of the practical realities on the ground over there.  So many people simplistically are pro or anti something, a person, or a movement, and it really shuts down thinking and dialog which is important for the collective consciousness.

But I do think his characterization of the early Zionist movements is inaccurate, and would also be unfair even if it were accurate.

The reality is the peace process has largely been dead since 2000 so I'm more interested in analyzing why it failed and how to spark a renewal because there's no way this is going to end cleanly without a reconciliation.

I would agree with this whole heartedly.  I wish there was a more holistic approach to this entire struggle here.  But there never has been.  Leo's response to this is simply "this is current events and this is what is happening now."

To me this isn't a very holistic approach. 

[Topspin715]

@Inliytened1 Even if you look at it as a "current event", there are so many layers that need to be analyzed.  I don't have great answers for these but this is to some extent a proxy war between the US via Israel and the Iran-Russia-China axis via Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Houthis.

It's so complicated that it's really difficult to look at this holistically and all the experts look at this from a narrow lens.  The armchair experts are even worse.

A huge part of the problem is that the Palestinians have been used as pawns in a wider regional chess match between Saudi Arabia, Iran, and other neighboring countries.  I see it as a conflict between many different clashing civilizations that is extremely difficult to harmonize without transcendent thinking.  Both Palestinians and Israelis are so trapped in survival mode that few people in their respective societies have the capacity to think through these things.

Issa Amro is a Palestinian peace activist living in Hebron, that while an advocate for a one-state solution, is non-violent and receives far too little attention in my opinion.

[Inliytened1]

@Topspin715 it's never too complicated to look at holistically.   The problem is everyone has a dog in the fight. 

[Topspin715]

50 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

@Topspin715 it's never too complicated to look at holistically.   The problem is everyone has a dog in the fight. 

Well I've been working on it for about 18 years so far and I've got a ways to go.  Just recently started woking on the rise of Islamism beginning with the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt in the 1920s.  Need to study comparative law and international law as well but I'm chipping away at these things.

[Inliytened1]

28 minutes ago, Topspin715 said:

Well I've been working on it for about 18 years so far and I've got a ways to go.  Just recently started woking on the rise of Islamism beginning with the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt in the 1920s.  Need to study comparative law and international law as well but I'm chipping away at these things.

A big distinction is to determine whether Israel directly wants ethnic cleansing.  Meaning that they want to put to death any non Jews.  I find this hard to fathom and I don't think it's the case.  I think they retaliated based on threats to their direct survival.   The Jan 7 attacks.  And perhaps they have taken it too far with the retaliation...but..and let's look at this without bias.. I do not believe that they engage in wanting to ethnically cleanse other races.   This is what leads to an unfair comparison to Nazi Germany and so forth.  

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[Topspin715]

2 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

A big distinction is to determine whether Israel directly wants ethnic cleansing.  Meaning that they want to put to death any non Jews.  I find this hard to fathom and I don't think it's the case.  I think they retaliated based on threats to their direct survival.   The Jan 7 attacks.  And perhaps they have taken it too far with the retaliation...but..and let's look at this without bias.. I do not believe that they engage in wanting to ethnically cleanse other races.   This is what leads to an unfair comparison to Nazi Germany and so forth.  

There's a difference between ethnic cleansing and genocide.  The former seeks to either expel an ethnic group from an area or move other ethnic groups in so as to dilute that minority group.  Murder is not required.  Genocide is the actual destruction of a group.

Every person will have a different opinion and view on an issue.  There are definitely some Israelis and Palestinians that want to see the opposing group gone at virtually any cost.  But a government doesn't represent the entirety of people that it governs and even within a government, there will be very diverse opinions.

I'd like to see Leo do a video about war and terrorism in general before he jumps in to so harshly judge these awful circumstances.