Playlist For Understanding Israel Deception

[Lyubov]

51 minutes ago, Gennadiy1981 said:

Thanks @Lyubov for such detail answer, I really appreciate it, you know what I appreciate so much in you, your honesty, I give you so much pride and respect for being so honest. I am deeply honest myself and I can truly appreciate someone being honest. By the way; you misunderstood about myself, I am not screaming victim hood, I am not complaining or kvetching, I am a very proud Jew who is very proud of my culture and my people and my land. 
 

I hear you, and I hear your point. See I am on the other hand have no shame or guilt. I am not crying that I want peace with Palestinians and compare to most Israelis who don’t want to give West Bank to Palestinians but cry that they do and give excuses. I am being flat, I want all of Israel and I also care for Palestinians to be happy in one of their Arab country. I say it open and I also do things to make sure Palestine will not be created inside Israel. But I am very blunt and very honest, what I say, I think and do is all and the same.

But I really appreciate your response, I truly do, cause compare to mainstream secular Jews, I will say something that is not so popular, but they do play game. I don’t play any game, I am blunt and starlight to the point. And what brought me to this community, is a deep spiritual thinking and completing. And one more thing, I hope you or anyone else gets me wrong. God forbid that you may think I hate Arabs. That is totally not true. I have deep respect for all humans and I love all humans. It’s just I know that unfortunately Jews and Arabs cannot coexist in one country no matter how we slice the cake, you can’t have two ethnicities running the show, it will eventually turn into a civil war. Compare to others, yes you may have people with racist beliefs. That does not apply to me, it’s religious issue that is at stake there. 

Fair enough, I completely disagree with you and I believe you will be remembered as an ethnic cleanser, not too different from Nazis or the conquest of the Americas in the history books, but I could be wrong, and you are entitled to your beliefs and what you think should happen. I will not try to change your mind. 

Edited October 25, 2024 by Lyubov

[Gennadiy1981]

10 minutes ago, Lyubov said:

Fair enough, I completely disagree with you and I believe you will be remembered as an ethnic cleanser, not too different from Nazis or the conquest of the Americas in the history books, but I could be wrong, and you are entitled to your beliefs and what you think should happen. I will not try to change your mind. 

Thank you for the compliment. And that’s fine, you have your views and I have mine. And that’s perfectly fine. We can respect each other views. What I will be remembered as? Tell you the truth, I really could care less. As I keep saying, I would rather have strong Israel hated by the entire world than Auschwitz that would be loved by. 
I am here to appease Almighty and not humans because at the end of the day I will be judged by Him and not by humans. So yes this is my stance and belief. 

[Karmadhi]

5 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

Do you realize how absurd you sound to say that Israel funded and planned the killing of its own women and children to justify it's own expansion?  You really believe that?

The Second Chechen war which lead to Russia fully annex Chechnya back into Russia after it had gained its temporary independence after winning the first Chechen war, was caused by a series of bombings in Russian apartment buildings. Up to 600 Russians were killed.

These attacks were blamed on Chechen terrorists and it gave Russia the necessary excuse to go invade again.

Although never confirmed, there is a lot of evidence that it was an inside job done by the Russian secret service.

If Russia can do this, so can Israel.

In the case of Israel perhaps they let them invade them on purpose by lowering their guard then made the situation worse by using their Hannibel doctrime (confirmed by Haerz)

Personally I do not have an opinion whether Israel let it happen intentionally but I would not be suprised if they did.

Especially their current fascist government with Bibi on top.

[MrTruf]

9 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

So whether I am awake or not is irrelevant.  

You most certainly are not. It's relevent because you are a liar, and this provides context for others choosing to communicate with you.

5 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

 He's a Hitler lover. 

 

You are a sick man.

 

[Leo Gura]

Cool it down and don't derail this thread please.

[Nemra]

 

[Etherial Cat]

7 hours ago, Gennadiy1981 said:

Thank you for the compliment. And that’s fine, you have your views and I have mine. And that’s perfectly fine. We can respect each other views. What I will be remembered as? Tell you the truth, I really could care less. As I keep saying, I would rather have strong Israel hated by the entire world than Auschwitz that would be loved by. 
I am here to appease Almighty and not humans because at the end of the day I will be judged by Him and not by humans. So yes this is my stance and belief. 

I don’t see the strong Israel you are describing. Instead, I observe a diplomatically weakened Israel, facing prosecution for war crimes by the International Court of Justice and surrounded by neighboring states that are deeply hostile to its political agenda for reasons too complex to detail here.

If you equate strength with the ability to survive in a militarized golden cage, heavily subsidized by a foreign imperial power, then I understand your perspective. However, this approach resembles cutting off the head of a hydra, only to have two more emerge in its place. Each criminal act inflicted upon the indigenous population generates a rightful and natural sense of injustice regarding the attacks on the human dignity of the Palestinian people. These actions stand in stark contrast to the ideals of a project supported by Western nations to prevent atrocities like the Holocaust from ever happening again, ultimately eroding the goodwill and sympathy that many can have for Israel. What is happening in Gaza is a shame, that should move any person who took actual lessons from WW II to its core.

Contrary to what you seem to suggest, there is a strong desire for a peaceful resolution to this conflict, which extends far beyond just the Israelis and Jews, and the Palestinians and Arabs. This situation is a drama that affects all of humanity, damaging our global sense of safety and fostering a bitter sense of collective insanity and human brutality that impacts the human experience as a whole.

The desire for human dignity for Palestinians extends to every Jewish and Israeli person in the hearts of most reasonable individuals. So spare us the justifications for the actions of the government you seem to be supporting, which are rooted in the fear of "a second Auschwitz because everyone hates us." No one here wants Jews or Israelis to live in fear. I know many wonderful people who happen to be Israeli or Jewish, and I will always defend their right to integrity and dignity.

Israelis carry a significant burden of improperly addressed intergenerational traumas related to fear of abuse and annihilation. One of the worst things that can happen to such a traumatized nation is to be forced to live in the chaos created by Netanyahu's and the likes supposed strength policies—policies characterized by compulsory military service, perpetual war, and the establishment of nearby ghettos. This situation is disastrous.

Moreover, I am not even addressing the horror of having to heal from the wounds of being subjected to terrible acts of abuse, only to realize that similar acts of abuse have been perpetrated by the very state that was supposed to rise above such actions.

My heart aches for the future generations who will have to clean up the mess created by such a high level of self-deception and rule of the unconscious.

Children, women, innocents men are being randomly killed at the very moment.

There is no strength in this, only collective madness.

[Nivsch]

@Etherial Cat I agree with your stance about the Israeli governemnt and its ignorant way it manages the conflict in the big picture especially in West Bank areas.

1 hour ago, Etherial Cat said:

only to realize that similar acts of abuse have been perpetrated by the very state that was supposed to rise above such actions

I would be careful with such equatings since intentions, circumstances, conditions and enemy clever strategics are parameters that have to not be overlooked. This government behaved in severe ways for sure, but this isn't as severe as the thing that brought it to do so in the first place if we take all the parameters above into account.

Edited October 25, 2024 by Nivsch

[Raze]

 

[Raze]

44 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

 

I would be careful with such equatings since intentions, circumstances, conditions and enemy clever strategics are parameters that have to not be overlooked. This government behaved in severe ways for sure, but this isn't as severe as the thing that brought it to do so in the first place if we take all the parameters above into account.

What brought it to do so in the first place was the already brutal violence on civilians in the West Bank occupation and mass violence in bombardments and collective punishment of the Gaza blockade.

It did not start on Oct 7. Even if we assume so about 800 civilians died on Oct 7, (it is unclear how many were killed by IDF implementing the Hannibal directive). Which is much less severe than how Israel has killed nearly 700 civilians in the West Bank, at least 25,000 in Gaza (based on their own numbers, the reality is likely double or triple), and nearly 2,000 civilians in Lebanon.

Edited October 25, 2024 by Raze

[Nivsch]

1 hour ago, Raze said:

What brought it to do so in the first place was the already brutal violence on civilians in the West Bank occupation

I don't buy this theory at all.

hamas, similar to Hezbollah have both, leaded by Iran's regime, planned an oct7 style attack.

What bothers them is the mere existence of a different ethnically defined state in their region.

Stage Red gains its life meaning and motivation from its expansionist desires.

They don't need an oppression to want that and I would even think those Red extremists are the least sensitive to oppressions forced on them, because their whole life motivation isn't so much about liberty or good conditions but about running forward to more domination.

Ask the Far Right wingers of Israel and they will say to you the same thing.

Oppression can get the terror of oct7 to be more severe only to some degree than it could be, but it isn't the root cause of it.

Edited October 25, 2024 by Nivsch

[Raze]

3 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

Oppression can get the terror of oct7 to be more severe to some degree than it could be, but not the root cause of it.

Hamas radicalized in response to Israel mass killing peaceful protestors during the second intifada, and Hezbollah formed in response to Israel supporting mass killing of civilians in Sabra and Shatilla and later occupying Lebanon.

[Vercingetorix]

6 hours ago, Etherial Cat said:

I don’t see the strong Israel you are describing. Instead, I observe a diplomatically weakened Israel, facing prosecution for war crimes by the International Court of Justice and surrounded by neighboring states that are deeply hostile to its political agenda for reasons too complex to detail here.

If you equate strength with the ability to survive in a militarized golden cage, heavily subsidized by a foreign imperial power, then I understand your perspective. However, this approach resembles cutting off the head of a hydra, only to have two more emerge in its place. Each criminal act inflicted upon the indigenous population generates a rightful and natural sense of injustice regarding the attacks on the human dignity of the Palestinian people. These actions stand in stark contrast to the ideals of a project supported by Western nations to prevent atrocities like the Holocaust from ever happening again, ultimately eroding the goodwill and sympathy that many can have for Israel. What is happening in Gaza is a shame, that should move any person who took actual lessons from WW II to its core.

Contrary to what you seem to suggest, there is a strong desire for a peaceful resolution to this conflict, which extends far beyond just the Israelis and Jews, and the Palestinians and Arabs. This situation is a drama that affects all of humanity, damaging our global sense of safety and fostering a bitter sense of collective insanity and human brutality that impacts the human experience as a whole.

The desire for human dignity for Palestinians extends to every Jewish and Israeli person in the hearts of most reasonable individuals. So spare us the justifications for the actions of the government you seem to be supporting, which are rooted in the fear of "a second Auschwitz because everyone hates us." No one here wants Jews or Israelis to live in fear. I know many wonderful people who happen to be Israeli or Jewish, and I will always defend their right to integrity and dignity.

Israelis carry a significant burden of improperly addressed intergenerational traumas related to fear of abuse and annihilation. One of the worst things that can happen to such a traumatized nation is to be forced to live in the chaos created by Netanyahu's and the likes supposed strength policies—policies characterized by compulsory military service, perpetual war, and the establishment of nearby ghettos. This situation is disastrous.

Moreover, I am not even addressing the horror of having to heal from the wounds of being subjected to terrible acts of abuse, only to realize that similar acts of abuse have been perpetrated by the very state that was supposed to rise above such actions.

My heart aches for the future generations who will have to clean up the mess created by such a high level of self-deception and rule of the unconscious.

Children, women, innocents men are being randomly killed at the very moment.

There is no strength in this, only collective madness.

Ah yes, the innocent green perspective that we've all bee part of in the past, until reality of the middle woke us up. But as it happened to us,  You'll probably only understand once it gets to Europe and you have to fight for your life. 

[Bobby_2021]

Deception of the death count.

 

 

[Nemra]

@Bobby_2021, I came across that channel for the first time today and thought that you might be watching its videos. Lol.

Edited October 25, 2024 by Nemra

[Gennadiy1981]

@Etherial Cat I carefully read what you wrote. First let’s put all BS to the side and let’s admit that there are biases on both sides and there is bias from international community towards us as well. Because if you cannot admit that, then we cannot have a productive conversation. Once we pass that point, you mention that there is a resolution for all. To be honest I don’t know if there is such or if there is even needs to be such. Somehow I believe that what’s happening is a precursor for something much greater and much deeper. I don’t look at the situation from geopolitical point of view but rather from spiritual one. 
 

Also you said in few posts that most Israelis are not like that and most Palestinians are not like that. I would politely disagree with you. Most people are like that because whoever runs the country does represent majority, whether we all like this concept or not. This is just how the world is. When Putin is in power it is because the Russian mentality aligns with him, for majority of humans. And yes majority in Gaza did elect Hamas and align with him. But guess what so is with Netanyahu. Look in the past I was never fond of Netanyahu, and was kinda against him in his early stages, but now being mature enough, I think he is the only one who can do a good job and so do many Israelis believe. And again as o said, let’s move all the BS conspiracy to be side, I speaking of pure everyday politics what’s viewed on mainstream news. 
 

So I am not really sure what you tried to convince me, but yes what I have said initially about being strong and how you interpreted in your own language golden cage, then be it golden cage, I am perfectly ok accepting it.

[Karmadhi]

 

[Bobby_2021]

8 hours ago, Nemra said:

@Bobby_2021, I came across that channel for the first time today and thought that you might be watching its videos. Lol.

He is a reasonable guy.

[Leo Gura]

The better question is, why are there Palestinian refugees? Who created them?

Why doesn't Europe take all the Zionists?

Edited October 26, 2024 by Leo Gura

[zazen]

Great production quality:

 

 

Edited October 26, 2024 by zazen