Playlist For Understanding Israel Deception

[Some dude on the net]

@Leo Gura didn't know that, Cheers. 

[Husseinisdoingfine]

3 hours ago, Some dude on the net said:

Biden in 1986 "Were there not an Israel the United States of America would need to invent an Israel."

 

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

I know.

Biden is a medicore person.

 

[Hsinav]

13 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

 

This sums up the situation very well!

 

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

 

Yeah. It's so gross. With friends like this, who needs a lobby?

The fish is rotten from the head down.

Edited October 14, 2024 by Leo Gura

[Husseinisdoingfine]

11 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Yeah. It's so gross. With friends like this, who needs a lobby?

The fish is rotten from the head down.

This is precisely the type of crap which gets people to vote third party, and I don't blame them. And yet the blame is placed on the third party voter and not the establishment Democrats.

[Some dude on the net]

@Leo Gura @Leo Gura @Leo Gura Nobody is over the thread of imperialism. Because  nobody likes to talk shit about America xd. My intuition strongly tells me that this thread is green. We have a way to miopic view the subject. Because it's just one perspective and the problem is really sistemic. The US is interconnected with Israel in unforseen ways. Just the fact that this thread is the most active is in itself a self deception. Because it makes us talk about a smallest self deception instead of the real self deception, which is imperialism. We should have a global thread on self deception with members from every country to understand the interconnectedness. One from US, one from Russia, China and so on. Just the fact that this threat is more active than the imperialism one tells me that this is self deception. Because Green loves to point fingers and not look at the bigger view. (my bad for the 3 pings my phone acts weird on the forum) 

[Leo Gura]

45 minutes ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

This is precisely the type of crap which gets people to vote third party, and I don't blame them. And yet the blame is placed on the third party voter and not the establishment Democrats.

Third party people are hopelessly naive. They have no idea how to run a government. They are delusional moralizers and virtue signalers who couldn't manage a hotdog stand.

Edited October 14, 2024 by Leo Gura

[Nivsch]

4 hours ago, DawnC said:

Israeli society is an extremely complicated one for research. There are more than five large 'sub-societies' in Israel that are extremely different from each other, and the relationships between them are complicated. Israeli society is not very close to the ethno-nationalistic image you have in mind. 

I wish there was a way to communicate this irrefutable truth I see and witness every single day.

[zazen]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Yeah. It's so gross. With friends like this, who needs a lobby?

The fish is rotten from the head down

This is the point of @Some dude on the net , though hes bashing the point in too much as if you are unaware of the facts.

The US has a interest in Israel's existence. They need Israels existence to justify their existence in a critical region. That's how they view it and speak of it in their own terms - as a 'investment', in terms of the material and less of the moral. Less ideological alignment and more an alignment of interests. Zionism to them is just a euphemism for Western supremacy and domination - US hegemony.

The nuance is that campaigning elects candidates, whilst lobbying influences what policies those candidates select. The fact that Israel and the US both serve each other symbiotically is why AIPAC isn't even in the top 20 lobbyist contributors. They don't need to be as much when Israels interests align with the US political elites interests.

Edited October 14, 2024 by zazen

[Leo Gura]

Green anti-imperialist talking points do not impress me. I see many of you pushing them as if you're saying something deep.

If you want to discuss imperialism, do it in the imperialism thread.

Edited October 14, 2024 by Leo Gura

[zazen]

3 hours ago, Some dude on the net said:

@Leo Gura didn't know that, Cheers. 

Bro its the thread you started lol. Let this thread focus more on Israel. 

For anyone sharing lengthy Youtube videos or documentaries it would be helpful to add a small description of the video if you can, especially those that don't have timestamps. 

@Leo Gura  For a lot of Westerners they think its deep because it cuts deep initially as a shock to their world view and perception of the West. Being lost in the sauce marinating in the heart of the empire and its propaganda - for some its cold water thrown  on their face which gets them riled up for feeling betrayed.

Edited October 14, 2024 by zazen

[Nivsch]

4 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

The purpose of this thread is to deconstruct Zionist propaganda which is overwhelming across Western media. All the war and conflict cannot be understood without such an effort. Which is why the propaganda is so thick.

The desire to show curraption and the partial artificiality and unhealthy apsects of some influences is totally understandable, and this is why I try to be open and not to negate perspectives including yours.

What is troubling, however, is that this often seems to be done under the throw the baby out with the bathwater approach.

In another example, the desire to expose the curraption of Science being expressed in the Health Industry when destroying the chance of people's independent thinking on their body, is surely understandable too and ever important, but that doesn't mean the roots of science aren't healthy and have reasons for, or aren't being manifested in healthy and fruitful forms in other fields, as you know yourself.

Edited October 14, 2024 by Nivsch

[Husseinisdoingfine]

7 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Third party people are hopelessly naive. They have no idea how to run a government. They are delusional moralizers and virtue signalers who couldn't manage a hotdog stand.

Sincere question. A lot of people are disillusioned with the current two options. A lot of people are voting third party solely because of the Gaza issue, since the Biden administration has appropriated $17.9 billion dollars to Israel since October 7, 2023. Sure, there are other reasons people might vote for, lets say, the Green Party, but Gaza seems to be the biggest reason.

What do you have to say to those people, who are considering voting third party.

 

Edited October 14, 2024 by Husseinisdoingfine

[Some dude on the net]

@zazen I thought he stared one before. I hate my phone :)) xd. See you there, Chomsky is not green, Chomsky is yellow. @zazen@Leo Gura @Leo Gura

[Alex4]

6 minutes ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

Sincere question. A lot of people are disillusioned with the current two options. A lot of people are voting third party solely because of the Gaza issue, since the Biden administration has appropriated $17.9 Billion dollars to Israel since October 7, 2023. Sure, there are other reasons people might vote, lets say, Green Party, but Gaza seems to be the biggest reason.

What do you have to say to those people, who are considering voting third party.

 

Don't throw your vote in the bin and stop holding maximalist positions.

[PurpleTree]

39 minutes ago, Alex4 said:

Don't throw your vote in the bin and stop holding maximalist positions.

An argument can be made either way.

That’s exactly what’s wrong with the two party system though. You don’t like our policies if endless wars and such, tough break the other side is an antidemocratic loonie bin better vote us and don’t throw your vote. away

[Raze]

 

[Raze]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Rouzan_al-Najjar

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Rouzan Ashraf Abdul Qadir al-Najjar 13 September 1997 – 1 June 2018) was a Palestinianparamedic who was killed by the Israeli military while volunteering as a medic during the 2018 Gaza border protests. She was shot and killed by an Israeli soldier as she tried to help evacuate wounded Palestinian protestors near Israel's border fencewith Gaza.

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The IDF released footage in which she purportedly admitted to participating in the protests as a human shield at the request of Hamas. The video was later found to be a clip from an interview with a Lebanese television station that had been edited by the IDF to take al-Najjar's comments out of context. In the unedited video, she didn't mention Hamas and called herself a "rescuing human shield to protect and save the wounded at the front lines", with everything following "human shield" trimmed out of the Israeli clip.

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According to witness testimony, al-Najjar was shot after she and other medics, walking with their hands up and wearing white vests, approached the border fence in order to treat a wounded protester. The IDF first denied that she was targeted, while not ruling out that she may have been hit by indirect fire. Israeli human rights group B'Tselem said that al-Najjar was shot intentionally.

 

Edited October 14, 2024 by Raze

[Husseinisdoingfine]

For full context: Hezbollah has successfully struck a dining hall, where IDF soldiers were eating dinner.

https://x.com/SuppressedNws/status/1845831460843888916

[Inliytened1]

@Some dude on the net

And how exactly is the US supposed to stop it with a phone call? 

Look at it like the school shootings.  The parent gave the child access to the gun.   But they didn't tell the kid to go shoot up a school.  However they could have done more to prevent the child from having access to the gun.   Thus both are responsible.  The kid still used his own mind to pull the trigger.  That's why parents are starting to go to jail now.  But the kid doesn't get to go free.

 

Edited October 14, 2024 by Inliytened1