Jesus is a Social Construct? Tell me more

[Davino]

@Keryo Koffa

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Truly I tell you, today you will be with Me in Paradise.

 

[El Zapato]

26 minutes ago, Yimpa said:

 

lol, Now that is a proper depiction of all of my reality.

[El Zapato]

37 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

Leo’s video on the social matrix just shows in part how deep everything we CAN think, is part of a social matrix. We aren’t as original as we’d like to think.

for sure that is true, but why altered consciousness (stepping outside of the lines) may be a stilted mechanism is still valid.

[Thought Art]

21 minutes ago, puporing said:

In that case if you were the "first Christ" then you would've done almost exactly what "Jesus" did in his first incarnation. And got killed for it as well to make himself known as a more awakened being (doing miracles.. resurrections..debating with other teachers, etc).

You have a model of mythic literalism that I don’t ascribe to. When I refer to Christ Consciousness I am referring to an awakening into love, forgiveness and unity. 

[Thought Art]

3 minutes ago, El Zapato said:

for sure that is true, but why altered consciousness (stepping outside of the lines) may be a stilted mechanism is still valid.

Well, this is why doing philosophy and learning to think for ourselves is so hard, yet so potentially valuable. 

[El Zapato]

@Thought Art Absolutely agree!

[Spiritual Warfare]

1 hour ago, Hojo said:

I have read many stories on the internet about people clearly remembering their brain telling them to hate Jesus and that Jesus sucks and fuck Jesus for no reason. Even if people say they hate Jesus they are lying and they know it.

I hate Jesus. He was not kind and acted like a drama queen when he was crucified.

Edited October 7 by Spiritual Warfare

[puporing]

6 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

You have a model of mythic literalism that I don’t ascribe to. When I refer to Christ Consciousness I am referring to an awakening into love, forgiveness and unity. 

It includes those things, you could say dialed to the maximum you can dial. 

[Thought Art]

@Spiritual Warfare Keep trolling and I will apply warning points.

[Thought Art]

@puporing The Myth of Jesus the Christ, isn't something I take literally. 

I am using the term, only as one of many terms I can use to describe the experience.

Ken Wilber uses the term like this:

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Ken Wilber, a prominent philosopher known for his Integral Theory, approaches the concept of Christ Consciousness as part of a broader spiritual and developmental journey, moving beyond just religious interpretation into a more universal and inclusive understanding. Here’s a breakdown of how he explains it:

Transpersonal Development Stage: Wilber places Christ Consciousness within the transpersonal stages of human development, where consciousness expands beyond personal ego to embrace universal love, compassion, and a deep awareness of interconnectedness. In his model, this aligns with "higher" stages like the Subtle, Causal, and Nondual levels, where one perceives the world as unified and interwoven with divine energy.

Archetype of Compassion and Love: Wilber often describes Christ Consciousness as embodying archetypal qualities of love, compassion, and forgiveness. He suggests that Jesus’ message represents a higher consciousness that transcends individual ego, advocating for a life led by selfless love and unity with all beings. This consciousness is not exclusive to Christianity but is seen across spiritual traditions that aim for unity with the Divine.

Nondual Awareness: Christ Consciousness, according to Wilber, aligns with a Nondual experience, where the boundaries between self and other dissolve. It’s a state of oneness or unity where one realizes they are not separate from the Divine or the universe. This parallels the mystical experiences described by saints, sages, and mystics who perceive God or the Divine within themselves and within all things.

Integral Spirituality: Wilber’s approach encourages moving beyond traditional religious dogma to embrace a broader spirituality, where Christ Consciousness becomes a universal principle rather than a religious figure. In Integral Spirituality, he explains that this consciousness is attainable by anyone who advances through higher levels of awareness, regardless of their specific religious beliefs.

In essence, for Wilber, Christ Consciousness is a transcendent state of being rooted in love, compassion, and unity—a state achievable through personal spiritual evolution. It represents a shift from a self-centered life to one of universal empathy and a sense of shared divinity with all.

[Thought Art]

We also... We don't know how man Christs their have been. Many could have lived and died without any notoriety. Some may be considered Toaist, sages, mystics. Some may be yogi's, some may be average folk. 

[puporing]

@Thought Art those are good descriptors. I am not trying to say it's something belonging to a religion, myself weren't even religious to begin with.. it was really because of his more recent text that resonated with me that I became this same self. It's the same way that Leo resonated with you, you didn't go to his channel because of some "religion". In my case that was a "byproduct".

I understand that the possibility exist that there are "unkonwn sages", because it's possible I'll die without many people knowing or even recognizing me this time around as I do not plan to be as public.. (depending on how things go that is).

On the other hand, if you reached this state you will also try to make yourself known so it's a balance..

Edited October 7 by puporing

[Thought Art]

@puporing I am glad you found something you resonate with on a deep level.

I don't have the same sort of relationship with Leo as you do with Jesus.

Leo is one of many world teachers. I study under many. Leo, Deepak Chopra, Lee Holden, Osho, and many others in a variety of fields and spiritual backgrounds. I am striving to take an integral approach to my spiritual work.

I don't worship anyone.

Edited October 7 by Thought Art

[puporing]

@Thought Art That's a healthy approach, and that's where I started as well until I found Jesus I guess.

I bear his name out of love (as opposed to worship) and that's what this level of love makes me do. You could say he was the only being that really cared about me and we had a lot in common as well.. And as well to let people know that he has "returned in me" as human once again.

Thank you for trying to be respectful.

Edited October 7 by puporing

[El Zapato]

1 hour ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

I hate Jesus. He was not kind and acted like a drama queen when he was crucified.

No interest in the demonic?  

[El Zapato]

@Thought Art Ken Wilber is my man...most people do not even want to try to wrap their heads around his philosophical underpinnings. As far as I was concerned, he nailed it, but not to the cross, of course.

[Thought Art]

@El Zapato I have only just begun. I am listening to the audiobook "Religion of Tomorrow" and reading his book "Finding Radical Wholeness". I actually think Finding Radical Wholeness is really useful for a lot of what we speak about on the forum especially the political section so far. It's cleared up a lot for me and dovetails with Leo's work nicely. I am about halfway through it.

I have listened to a lot of his talks on Youtube years ago though. 

Edited October 7 by Thought Art

[CARDOZZO]

The problem is not the founder, it is always the fan club.

Jesus is fucking amazing. Avatar, Revolutionary Mystic, Deep Conscious Being.

There are theories that Jesus was an alien. Why not? 

We have humanoid robots (drones). We will send robots all over the galaxy to explore the universe.

[UnbornTao]

The man has been dead for a long time. And most of what we "know" of him is essentially rumor-based.

There likely is a more subtle interpretation, but the above still applies. This is not to say he wasn't a deeply conscious guy–he apparently was. 

Interesting hypothesis: in his "lost years", he might have traveled to India or similar and studied Buddhism there.

Edited October 7 by UnbornTao

[Spiritual Warfare]

4 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

Guy's dead. And most of what we "know" of him is essentially rumor-based.

Yes, and people need to realize that just because millions or billions believe in Jesus, it doesn't mean it's true. After all, billions believe in Mohammed as well. So which one is true? We'll never really know.