How To Exploit Men

[MsNobody]

@aurum

3 hours ago, aurum said:

It’s toxic to herself first and foremost.

In some ways, she is the main victim here. Her mind is poisoned and she will never be able to have a healthy relationship because of it.

Whatever damage is done to men is only secondary.

She seems to be doing pretty well. When men exploit women for sex , it's his nature, men are like that. But as soon as women do the same its toxic. Dating is playing games, I think she is opening womens eyes to how men think and of course men wont like it. 

[MsNobody]

3 hours ago, Emerald said:

I didn't watch the videos, so I'm not responding to the videos specifically.

But what you had said about your friend whose ex used him for money and then left him for a wealthier guy is a shame.

Often times, men can feel a great deal of shame and unlovability and a sense of not being enough as they are. And they may end up in relationships where a woman exploits these vulnerabilities because he feels like he needs to compensate for his perceived unlovability by over-giving.

And using these types of tactics for the sake of exploitation will create unhappy dysfunctional relationships. Plus, only guys with self-esteem issues will be willing to put up with it.

Also, most men naturally like to give and be appreciated/loved for it. So, it takes a very nice pro-social quality and exploits it.

If you want to make a man happy using this knowledge and help him feel closer to you, ask him to help you solve a problem. And then appreciate him for it and tell him how his help made you feel.

Or if he gives a gift of his own volition, light up and appreciate him for it.

But if a woman keeps telling a man "This is not sufficient. You need to give me more.", men who are already on shaky ground self-esteem-wise will keep trying and trying and trying like a little boy trying to impress a callous mother. And it's just exploiting a deep human vulnerability. 

And of course, no intimacy is possible in this type of situation.

I thought a lot about their relationship, I don't see him as a victim at all because he always dates women for their appearance, he dated a miss Venezuela in the past, models etc. So you should know better how those women are, if he wasn't able to dig into her and see that all she cared about was money the whole time, what was he really doing? Then we come to the realization of how much men are prone towards appearance only, they become irrational, this happens a lot to us women, so much manipulation from men, lies etc. 

In the end what she did was fucked up, but it's not like he is all innocent. 

I think also in his case, the more money he made, the more things she wanted and he kept giving it to her, until the luxury went over her had and now she is just posting luxurious pictures all over europe with this other guy who was also married, so she broke up not only her marriage but this other guy too. 

[CARDOZZO]

As a recovering nice guy myself, I get extremely surprised to see how women perceive man on a overall scale.

Fuck.

If you are a man and you are developing yourself, reading, doing meditation, spirituality, working on your purpose, you will have to deal with woman trying to put you on boxes that you don't belong. (Liar, Rapist, Misogynistic)

Also, the game for women is not easy at all with red/black pill ideology.

 

Edited October 5 by CARDOZZO

[MsNobody]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Nothing whips up the incels like a story of women exploiting men.

They pounce on that like a cat on a wiggly mouse 

well that was my intention lol 

[Ulax]

'How to exploit men' lmao.

You said @MsNobody you agree with some of her points. Which ones mainly?

[MsNobody]

@CARDOZZO yes Im also a nice girl in recovery, have dated many takers and Im watching those videos now to enlighten me cause honestly 80% of the men are trash, not because they are evil but because they are deeply unconscious. Hurt men hurt women cause we are weaker and more vulnerable. 

[CARDOZZO]

15 minutes ago, MsNobody said:

@CARDOZZO yes Im also a nice girl in recovery, have dated many takers and Im watching those videos now to enlighten me cause honestly 80% of the men are trash, not because they are evil but because they are deeply unconscious. Hurt men hurt women cause we are weaker and more vulnerable. 

What are your masculine preferences nowdays?

Stage Orange? Stage Green? Stage Yellow? Stage Turquoise?

Connection? Financial Stability? Nice Guys? Bad Boys? Don Juan?

These days I search for a woman to go out on dates connected to art, gastronomy, beach, travel, hiking, spirituality, coffeshops, bookshops. (Green/Yellow)

[Hardkill]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Nothing whips up the incels like a story of women exploiting men.

They pounce on that like a cat on a wiggly mouse 

Yeah, well I think it’s very unfair that a lot of women aren’t called out for being creeps or perverts like a lot of men are. 

[MsNobody]

@Ulax knowing how to talk to men, for example Im very emotional. Most men do not care about emotions, when you talk to them you need to be more rational and talk his language. Of course not all men, but it's basically marketing, when you talk to them you need to think about what they want (which is usually sex) not be lost in my feelings, crying etc. 

Another think is setting strict boundaries, if right in the beginning you let them do whatever they want, and not have to make it up for it, they will do it again and again, they become relaxed and treat you like shit. Men, dogs and kids are all the same, their natural instinct is to test your limits and boundaries, if you dont set strict boundaries you are fucked and they won't respect you, not only they wont respect you but they get angry unsconsciosly, the same way that a child who is sleepy and has no bedtime routine get cranky, they want easy (to be awake as much as possible) but what they really need is difficult (bedtime routine). They need to be trained from the beginning, but as women we are very compassionate and way too nice to be able to hold up on sex, not give them what they want, we easily let them do what they want instead of being more rational, we end up suffering, both lose in this case, the child needs sleep just like the men like the difficulty of conquering someone. 

Another thing is, the more we require from a men, the happier he will be to play the game and go beyond, if we don't require much the game is not fun enough for them, and they build resentment later on because things are too easy and he didn't have to work hard enough for it. There is a lot that happens unconsciously, but she does talk about that a lot. I dont agree with everything she says, she is a dominatrix, Im not into that stuff but she does make some really good points and understands the male mind deeply. Of course she manipulates a lot, but she is also enlightening women who are easy preys and who are being manipulated by men. 

[Leo Gura]

40 minutes ago, MsNobody said:

well that was my intention lol 

I know all your tricks 

[Ulax]

29 minutes ago, MsNobody said:

@Ulax knowing how to talk to men, for example Im very emotional. Most men do not care about emotions, when you talk to them you need to be more rational and talk his language. Of course not all men, but it's basically marketing, when you talk to them you need to think about what they want (which is usually sex) not be lost in my feelings, crying etc. 

Another think is setting strict boundaries, if right in the beginning you let them do whatever they want, and not have to make it up for it, they will do it again and again, they become relaxed and treat you like shit. Men, dogs and kids are all the same, their natural instinct is to test your limits and boundaries, if you dont set strict boundaries you are fucked and they won't respect you, not only they wont respect you but they get angry unsconsciosly, the same way that a child who is sleepy and has no bedtime routine get cranky, they want easy (to be awake as much as possible) but what they really need is difficult (bedtime routine). They need to be trained from the beginning, but as women we are very compassionate and way too nice to be able to hold up on sex, not give them what they want, we easily let them do what they want instead of being more rational, we end up suffering, both lose in this case, the child needs sleep just like the men like the difficulty of conquering someone. 

Another thing is, the more we require from a men, the happier he will be to play the game and go beyond, if we don't require much the game is not fun enough for them, and they build resentment later on because things are too easy and he didn't have to work hard enough for it. There is a lot that happens unconsciously, but she does talk about that a lot. I dont agree with everything she says, she is a dominatrix, Im not into that stuff but she does make some really good points and understands the male mind deeply. Of course she manipulates a lot, but she is also enlightening women who are easy preys and who are being manipulated by men. 

Okay I think I get where you are coming from.

I would say that yes women are naturally more compassionate. But often imo women actually deal with a lot of codependency, which can be mistaken for compassion. I'd say the issues you've brought up above strike me more as an issue of codependent women being exploited by toxic men. 

And its a big issue as I'd say women are socialized more towards codependency and men more towards narcissism. So, this dynamic of women being advantage of is common.

On the other hand, i see from some of your comments the idea that dating is a game. And that women need to start treating it as a game too. I'd say this is misguided. The key issue is the codependent-narcissistic trauma bond. You can play games as a codependent woman to increase the benefits you get in the dynamic for sure. However, 1) You're still codependent, and will be unconsciously still driven to codependent behaviours, and 2) You're still dealing with a toxic person and being in relationship with toxic people is not good.

Why not work on overcoming codependency, i.e. via therapies which heal your attachment style. That way you have healthy unconscious patterns and you will no longer have attraction towards these narcissistic types, because they no longer mirror your attachment style. I think your idea of starting to set strict boundaries is a good step for overcoming codependency. 

To be honest, I was surprised to see you post the kind of content creator you did. From previous posts of yours you have come across to me as quite a conscious person. This creator seems pretty low consciousness to me. In the way she speaks, and even just in her promotion of the idea of 'exploit men' rings low consciousness alarm bells.

Why not follow someone like Dr Ramani? Patrick Teahan? Heide Priebe? They talk about dealing with toxic people and issues like codependency, too. I worry this content creator may lead you astray. 

Edited October 5 by Ulax

[aurum]

52 minutes ago, MsNobody said:

@aurum

She seems to be doing pretty well. When men exploit women for sex , it's his nature, men are like that. But as soon as women do the same its toxic. Dating is playing games, I think she is opening womens eyes to how men think and of course men wont like it. 

That’s essentially the same rationale the manosphere uses.

If she shaved her head and put on a pair of sunglasses, she’d be Andrew Tate.

It is good to wise up to the games men play though if you’re a woman. So I can understand the appeal in that sense. A lot of women have dealt with extremely exploitative men and may struggle with advocating for themselves. 

The challenge is filtering out the toxicity.

[Letho]

I go out of my way to reduce the money tag these days. Guys you just gotta go deeper. Not into understanding female/male dynamics, that comes after you understand yourself. 

Women offer me money as a traveler, rides, places to sleep, etc even though I don't need these things. It's the intersection between cultural conditioning and true being, guys (and women too) in the west really struggle to differentiate between the two and make it so much about themselves or the other, helping bring clarity to these topics as opposed to feeding any false dichotomy helps both sexes onto the right path. The truth is in either finding a well-educated mate in the west or going elsewhere, as men, if you're intelligent there are truly so many great women in the east, you'll be too overloaded with options and women, there are also too many gentlemen here in the east if you're savvy that haven't been brainwashed by Andrew Tate, related. 

And @MsNobody you're so right about Latina's, although there's many cultural difficulties right now in South America, Colombia the true heart of their essence is really in the words you've expressed regarding their warm, loving nature, although there's a few women there's one particular woman that there's a chance that if our paths align (there's at least a 50% chance they won't: and its like that for many great potential mates) I may even wed in the future because of those very qualities, or to put more accurately because she has the qualities I'm looking for for someone I'd love to start a family with. 

My instinct is that if both sexes realised that the primitive consciousness of either is basically cashing in on the brainwashing the other has experienced to the highest possible levels of manipulation while at the same time there is a genuine desire for spiritual growth, a mature person would be able to strike a line in the middle regarding their evaluation of the character of the potential mate they're facing regarding where they truly are relative to whether they're ready for a more meaningful relationship, especially one involving family.

[MsNobody]

10 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I know all your tricks 

Of course, learned with you 

[Buck Edwards]

4 minutes ago, Letho said:

I go out of my way to reduce the money tag these days. Guys you just gotta go deeper. Not into understanding female/male dynamics, that comes after you understand yourself. 

Women offer me money as a traveler, rides, places to sleep, etc even though I don't need these things. It's the intersection between cultural conditioning and true being, guys (and women too) in the west really struggle to differentiate between the two and make it so much about themselves or the other, helping bring clarity to these topics as opposed to feeding any false dichotomy helps both sexes onto the right path. The truth is in either finding a well-educated mate in the west or going elsewhere, as men, if you're intelligent there are truly so many great women in the east, you'll be too overloaded with options and women, there are also too many gentlemen here in the east if you're savvy that haven't been brainwashed by Andrew Tate, related. 

And @MsNobody you're so right about Latina's, although there's many cultural difficulties right now in South America, Colombia the true heart of their essence is really in the words you've expressed regarding their warm, loving nature, although there's a few women there's one particular woman that there's a chance that if our paths align (there's at least a 50% chance they won't: and its like that for many great potential mates) I may even wed in the future because of those very qualities, or to put more accurately because she has the qualities I'm looking for for someone I'd love to start a family with. 

My instinct is that if both sexes realised that the primitive consciousness of either is basically cashing in on the brainwashing the other has experienced to the highest possible levels of manipulation while at the same time there is a genuine desire for spiritual growth, a mature person would be able to strike a line in the middle regarding their evaluation of the character of the potential mate they're facing regarding where they truly are relative to whether they're ready for a more meaningful relationship, especially one involving family.

Do Trataka meditation. It will help you seriously. 

[MsNobody]

11 minutes ago, Ulax said:

Okay I think I get where you are coming from.

I would say that yes women are naturally more compassionate. But often imo women actually deal with a lot of codependency, which can be mistaken for compassion. I'd say the issues you've brought up above strike me more as an issue of codependent women being exploited by toxic men. 

And its a big issue as I'd say women are socialized more towards codependency and men more towards narcissism. So, this dynamic of women being advantage of is common.

On the other hand, i see from some of your comments the idea that dating is a game. And that women need to start treating it as a game too. I'd say this is misguided. The key issue is the codependent-narcissistic trauma bond. You can play games as a codependent woman to increase the benefits you get in the dynamic for sure. However, 1) You're still codependent, and will be unconsciously still driven to codependent behaviours, and 2) You're still dealing with a toxic person and being in relationship with toxic people is not good.

Why not work on overcoming codependency, i.e. via therapies which heal your attachment style. That way you have healthy unconscious patterns and you will no longer have attraction towards these narcissistic types, because they no longer mirror your attachment style. I think your idea of starting to set strict boundaries is a good step for overcoming codependency. 

To be honest, I was surprised to see you post the kind of content creator you did. From previous posts of yours you have come across to me as quite a conscious person. This creator seems pretty low consciousness to me. In the way she speaks, and even just in her promotion of the idea of 'exploit men' rings low consciousness alarm bells.

Why not follow someone like Dr Ramani? Patrick Teahan? Heide Priebe? They talk about dealing with toxic people and issues like codependency, too. I worry this content creator may lead you astray. 

I feel seen, thank you! Yes I do have codependent issues. 

I will definitely check them out, it’s gotten better throughout the years, I’ve read many books about it and even went to meetings at CoDa codependent anonymous, it’s generational trauma, I don’t watch many other channels besides Leo and Matt Kahn, if I look deeply Matt Kahn videos are doing more damage than helping, cause I become more compassionate which just deepens the codependent pattern.
 

What I do like about her content is exactly how extreme it is, it becomes easier and more simple to find what the next steps are, for example the strict boundaries one, it doesn’t mean that I’ll exploit men, but it does help to understand better the motives behind why men behave the way they behave, while spiritual teachers go round and round and it’s not very practical. The codependent patterns in the women of my family are so deep that thinking now that I’m talking about it, I’ve been underestimating how difficult it is to break them in all my years of personal development, I was raised in Brazil in the countryside so very much stage blue, and like you said we are domesticated to be this way as women. 

[Emerald]

1 hour ago, MsNobody said:

I thought a lot about their relationship, I don't see him as a victim at all because he always dates women for their appearance, he dated a miss Venezuela in the past, models etc. So you should know better how those women are, if he wasn't able to dig into her and see that all she cared about was money the whole time, what was he really doing? Then we come to the realization of how much men are prone towards appearance only, they become irrational, this happens a lot to us women, so much manipulation from men, lies etc. 

In the end what she did was fucked up, but it's not like he is all innocent. 

I think also in his case, the more money he made, the more things she wanted and he kept giving it to her, until the luxury went over her had and now she is just posting luxurious pictures all over europe with this other guy who was also married, so she broke up not only her marriage but this other guy too. 

I can see that what he was doing was potentially just as shallow and exploitative, if he's only interested in women for their looks and nothing more.

But attractive women aren't necessarily that way, so I don't follow the 'knowing better who those women are' idea. I've known many beautiful women who are very caring people who love their partners for who they are.

With all that said, the whole scenario is quite sad as this mutual objectification and exploitation dynamic would feel the opposite of love and belonging. And to engage in the idea of exploitation of men on the basis that it's even and that they do it too, would stick a woman down in some pretty dysfunctional transactional dynamics. 

[CARDOZZO]

27 minutes ago, Emerald said:

've known many beautiful women who are very caring people who love their partners for who they are.

This is a thing that men in general don't believe.

We are loved/rewarded by what we do.

We would feel such a relief to hear that from a woman. 

I wouldn't be surprised if a guy start crying in relief after hearing that from woman.

It would heal a lot of shame and wounds.

This would be a great course to help woman communicate in that way with man. 

Edited October 5 by CARDOZZO

[Buck Edwards]

5 hours ago, MsNobody said:

I don't think it's toxic at all, she is not disrespecting anyone. It's basically dating games. 

Well it is toxic 101. What your friend's ex did. Women exploiting men for money is just as toxic as men exploiting women for looks or sex. Just because someone offers you to steal, you don't steal. It's called integrity. May sound harsh. But it is dysfunctional in every possible way. No woman has the right to exploit a man for money. Men have emotions too. A man enters into a relationship for love and commitment, understanding and compassion, just like women. We are humans and humans need companionship irrelevant of gender. So why should a woman have the right to exploit a man? And if a man offered a lot of money to keep her with him, it's his codependency and weakness, yet she shouldn't prey on his codependency. Our values are most challenged and tested in times of temptation and openness and that's where our real morals are revealed. A high conscious woman wouldn't want to exploit a man even if such an opportunity presented itself. This applies to men. Many men get a chance to exploit a vulnerable woman, but good men stay away from that. We don't want a society of degenerates, we want (and we should want) a society of helpful trustworthy people, not people who break our trust and justify it. 

[Emerald]

@MsNobody I just watched a little bit of one of the videos, and just from her opening rationale on the 'exploit men' video, I don't think her advice is going to yield you the relationship results that you really want.

A few years ago, I took a deep dive into some female dating/relationship channels that helped me out tremendously with understanding ways that men and women are different and how to have a healthy and fulfilling relationship/courtship with a man.

And there was a really strong emphasis on knowing yourself and your worth and setting healthy boundaries. And one of the more important things was sorting out men with red flags, who aren't treating you well, and aren't investing in you.

And they're great for women who are dealing with codependency as they're about connecting to your Feminine energy and becoming more in tune with your dealbreakers and avoiding investing in a guy who is lukewarm or toxic.

It's these types of non-toxic channels that will help you have more fulfilling relationships with healthier men. And I recommend them to my female coaching clients when the things they're going through are relevant.

The channels are Adrienne Everheart, Helena Hart, and Rory Raye. 

Here are some of their videos...