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[Raze]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

 

Actually we do. Mystical talents run in the family. The daughter of a witch is more likely to be a witch, and not just from training, but in natural witch abilities.

Witches beget witches. Bitches beget bitches

That’s because of cultures being passed down. That doesn’t mean it’s genetic. If someone is born in an atheist materialist family they could become enlightened and never tell anyone. If someone was born in a Buddhist practicing family they’d tell everyone and be a teacher and probably be exposed to meditation making it more likely to happen irregardless of genetics. 

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

 

There is huge evidence. Nearly every highly spiritually advanced teacher will tell you childhood stories of having mystical and spiritual experiences out of the blue with zero effort. This is ridiculously common for them.

Spiritual talent is like 99% genetic. It's way worse than anyone knows or says.

This does not simplistically mean that the child of gifted parents will be gifted.

Attractive people can easily have ugly children. Look at the daughter of Brad Pitt and Angelia Jolie. Genetics does not work as simplistically as people assume. Two mystics don't just fuck and create a giga-mystic. They could create a psychopath.

That’s not proof it is genetic. Just because something happens randomly without effort doesn’t automatically mean it is genetic. 

Dr. Jeffery Martin conducted a study of people who had enlightenment experiences and couldn’t find any genetic correlation. I don’t think he even found a correlation with childhood mystical experiences. Some had that, some had nothing of the sort. For example he reported one guy who was an atheist salesman with no mystical experiences at all who read a spiritual text looking for something to market without believing anything in it who then went to sleep and woke up in a very deep stage of enlightenment.

It probably has to do with a glitch of some sort that dissolves part or all of the ego.

Edited Monday at 11:48 PM by Raze

[Willie]

It’s very silly to say that spirituality or mysticism is a genetically-inherited trait.

[gambler]

8 minutes ago, Raze said:

Dr. Jeffery Martin conducted a study of people who had enlightenment experiences and couldn’t find any genetic correlation.

Did he look at epigenetics? Nature did a huge study few years back where they were looking for genes responsible for homosexuality but couldn't find them. But the thing is, twins can have differing sexual orientations. So looking for a gene is obviously useless. You'd have to look for epigenetic differences, the difference in how genes express themselves.

Edited Monday at 11:51 PM by gambler

[gambler]

8 hours ago, Willie said:

It’s very silly to say that spirituality or mysticism is a genetically-inherited trait.

Well its about explaining why some are more easily prone to having these experiences naturally versus others. You don't have to inherit whatever makeup that makes this more possible. Maybe sometimes that is the case. Maybe in other times its how the genes were influenced by the environment, affected by certain chemicals or hormones while in the womb or what have you.

Edited Tuesday at 07:59 AM by gambler

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, gambler said:

Was this true for Carl Jung?

Carl Jung was clearly a genetic freak. You don't get his intuitive intelligence through just reading a bunch of books.

Any world-famous historical intellectual is genetically talented. That doesn't mean he's some Buddha super-mystic.

1 hour ago, Raze said:

Dr. Jeffery Martin conducted a study of people who had enlightenment experiences and couldn’t find any genetic correlation.

That guy does not understand God or mysticism. I give his studies and research very little import.

Designing a study to properly measure mysticism requires great care and intelligence, not some standard materialist approach.

You can do your own study. Every advanced spiritual person who you meet, ask them about their earliest childhood spiritual experiences. You will see that the vast majority will tell you they had spiritual talents without any training from an early age. Pretty much every professional psychic and occultist is like this.

You don't ask the general population or college kids. You ask serious mystics. The general population is talentless and clueless.

Spiritual talent is NOT culture, it is raw genetics.

1 hour ago, Willie said:

It’s very silly to say that spirituality or mysticism is a genetically-inherited trait.

It's silly to assume it isn't.

How quickly humans forget that they could have been easily born a chimpanzee.

Edited Tuesday at 12:51 AM by Leo Gura

[UnbornTao]

51 minutes ago, The Crocodile said:

Yes.

He recalled "seeing" God take a shit on a church, which caused him to drop religion.

Haha

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, The Crocodile said:

He recalled "seeing" God take a shit on a church, which caused him to drop religion.

That's serious Intelligence!

But it's redundant for God to shit on a church since it's already overflowing of its own shit.

Edited Tuesday at 12:51 AM by Leo Gura

[The Crocodile]

7 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

That's serious Intelligence!

But it's redundant for God to shit on a church since it's already overflowing in its own shit.

Ah, he was going through neurosis because of his questioning of religion, and then seeing that was a big satisfying release for him.

[Raze]

44 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Designing a study to properly measure mysticism requires great care and intelligence, not some standard materialist approach.

You can do your own study. Every advanced spiritual person who you meet, ask them about their earliest childhood spiritual experiences. You will see that the vast majority will tell you they had spiritual talents without any training from an early age. Pretty much every professional psychic and occultist is like this.

You don't ask the general population or college kids. You ask serious mystics. The general population is talentless and clueless.

His study was specifically on enlightenment. 

Just asking people working in the field would be a biased sample. If anything random civilians who report it would be more accurate as they don’t know the right words to say to appear more advanced then they are.

Another example, Jeffery mentioned how one of his researches met 90 year old Buddhist nuns, and they told him when they first became nuns as teenagers when someone came to the ashram they’d almost always attain stream entry in a week to a month. But now people come and could stay for years and most don’t. The practices they taught stayed the same, and the genes of the population there didn’t change during just their life time. He postulates it’s because the techniques lost effectiveness as the human mind changed due to modern media exposure, but that’s clearly not genetic.

And like I said having experiences as a kid doesn’t automatically mean it’s genetic. Maybe some sort of fluke accident they have as a kid primes them to develop it later in life.

Daniel Ingram cites a early mystical experience he had as a kid while trying to alter his dreams as later leading him to Buddhist meditation. 

Edited Tuesday at 12:58 AM by Raze

[Leo Gura]

15 minutes ago, Raze said:

His study was specifically on enlightenment. 

The word enlightenment has come to mean weak nonsense in the hands of materialists and such.

It is obvious that Martin does not understand God and is not testing for God.

Whatever he is testing for, I would be very skeptical of if I were you. Because he is in no position to understand this domain.

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Just asking people working in the field would be a biased sample.

My claim is not about randos, it's about serious mystics, which are very rare. What randos do is of no concern here.

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Another example, Jeffery mentioned how one of his researches met 90 year old Buddhist nuns, and they told him when they first became nuns as teenagers when someone came to the ashram they’d almost always attain stream entry in a week to a month. But now people come and could stay for years and most don’t. The practices they taught stayed the same, and the genes of the population there didn’t change during just their life time. He postulates it’s because the techniques lost effectiveness as the human mind changed due to modern media exposure, but that’s clearly not genetic.

Of course that's true. Materialism, scientism, and capitalism has completely locked down modern minds.

This does non contract my claims.

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And like I said having experiences as a kid doesn’t automatically mean it’s genetic.

Yes it does.

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Daniel Ingram cites a early mystical experience he had as a kid while trying to alter his dreams as later leading him to Buddhist meditation. 

Exactly. This is exactly my claim. Ingram has special genetics.

Look, I'm done trying to convince you. You figure it out yourself.

There is no way to explain human spirituality without genetics. That's my claim. Feel free to test it.

Edited Tuesday at 01:12 AM by Leo Gura

[Yimpa]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

My child would either be a horned demon or a floating orb of pure Intelligence

 

[Salvijus]

56 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

There is no way to explain human spirituality without genetics. That's my claim. Feel free to test it.

You can exist and be enlightened without the physical body altogether. So the genetics theory is incomplete. 

Edited Tuesday at 02:02 AM by Salvijus

[Leo Gura]

Orb of Confusion, AKA, religion.

[Leo Gura]

1 minute ago, Salvijus said:

You can be enlightened without the physical body altogether. So the genetics theory is incomplete. 

How would you know? What does that even mean? To be enlightened without a body.

[Salvijus]

11 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

How would you know? What does that even mean? To be enlightened without a body.

Communicating with disembodied spirits is as old as time. These spirits are of different levels of evolution and conciousness. These days more and more proofs are coming out to the public. I have my own direct proofs and experiences of these things but because my testimonies won't have much credibility here you can just take a look at "telepathy tapes". It's filled with proof of life beyond the physical and disembodied beings. Many other evidences are coming out about this stuff very rapidly. 

Edited Tuesday at 02:14 AM by Salvijus

[Salvijus]

3 hours ago, The Crocodile said:

He recalled "seeing" God take a shit on a church, which caused him to drop religion.

Its not in God's nature to shit on anything. God restores, uplifts, heals and illuminates. Carl saw his own mental projections. 

White light can cannot stain, it can only purify. Whatever God touches turns into brilliant diamond. 

Edited Tuesday at 02:39 AM by Salvijus

[Santiago Ram]

Leo´s new blog post is really cool.

[Santiago Ram]

On 16/3/2025 at 4:46 PM, Leo Gura said:

Must be wild genuinely thinking people are gonna burn in hell and that they deserve to

Yes, it's imporant to realize that Christians take such things literally. They aren't joking around even if it seems that way to us.

That is obviously a metaphor.

Edited Tuesday at 02:31 AM by Santiago Ram

[Santiago Ram]

Christianity is a path.

Seeking solipsism is another path.

Both have worked for me for realizing God.

Edited Tuesday at 02:38 AM by Santiago Ram

[The Crocodile]

18 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

Carl saw his own mental projections. 

@Carl-Richard Is this true?