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[gettoefl]

Good blog post. 💞

Minor clairification. Don't be intelligent. Let intelligence move through you by shutting of your own human intelligence. Switch off the ego and give God the wheel. Let stuff be done through you. Be the willing vessel. Have no plans. Intelligence is to let intelligence awaken on the fly in the whole. You yourself are doing nothing. Walk around seeing everything as perfection. Even if eyes see form begging to differ. You are wrong. It is good. It is you in action. Your job is constant expansion into this.

Edited 16 hours ago by gettoefl

[Adrian colby]

5 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

That's a better way to phrase it.

Intelligence is Good/Love-seeking.

Like a heat-seeking missile tuned to find Absolute Unity no matter what happens.

Kinda similar to increasing entropy through Co operation. The soup of consciousness ( chaos ) holding itself together in a relatively consistent pattern that changes and evolves . Like the description of the second law of thermodynamics, the organism holds itself together against the forces of the universe ( for a time) by making beneficial choices. In the case of consciousness, its patterns that stay around longer are the harmonious ones simultaneous to the overall good/love. The more there are harmonious ones, the more evolved the whole becomes. 
but outside of that is still the unchanging awareness witnessing it all. 
 

im still at the intellectual/conceptual point at understanding. No direct realisation yet. Need to get back to the meditation. It’s fallen by the wayside to build a house 😅. 

[Nemra]

@Leo Gura, I don't fully understand the implications of your latest post; however, when I had my first psychedelic experience recently, I was engulfed by the love of reality to an overwhelming degree and wanted to be more good (not in the way that people usually think of), as I was too self-aware, so what you wrote kinda makes sense to me from my level.

Edited 13 hours ago by Nemra

[vibv]

@Leo Gura Just a heads up: You wrote:

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Chasing after views and clicks is not unintelligent.

I think that's a mistake, no?  

[Shane Hanlon]

What do you all think this latest couple blog posts means for the practical human level of reality? It strikes me as deeply true and profound. What does integrating this insight look like?

Leo, it seems like this was revolutionary for you. I'd be interested to hear what you think.

I am struggling to feel its revolution for myself though. Maybe I don't comprehend the profundity of what you are attempting to communicate.

At Gods level, When all facets of God integrate into total oneness. When Love, Intelligence, Goodness, Total Concsiousness become one, it makes sense that wisdom would be a second order consequence of intelligence. But at the human level, even if ultimately wisdom is a 2nd order property of intelligence, they are so distinct that the insight

"intelligence is fundamental and fully understands and moves towards Goodness and Love"

or

"Intelligence is how the Infinite field spontaenously organizes itself towards Goodness and Love." 

seems like it doesn't change too much for me. I'd still orient towards life the same way. Working to always be (and always increase my capacity for) Loving, Kind, Intelligent, Wise, Honest, Integrated, Grounded, and Informed etc....

[Letho]

@Leo Gura Great work with the latest entry Leo, its a needed positive influence on the forum and I am glad people are beginning to appreciate your entries more.

That being said, very minor feedback: Wisdom is the instruction manual to intelligence. 

Sure, that focuses the aperture but you're still moving in the right direction and dragging the forum along with you, that's all that matters at the end of the day. 

Stay strong.

[Nilsi]

The core dilemma is that even if you were the most intelligent being in the universe, you would still be vulnerable to being ruthlessly exploited by bad actors who maneuver within the cold, unsparing logic of game theory.

[integral]

1 hour ago, Nilsi said:

The core dilemma is that even if you were the most intelligent being in the universe, you would still be vulnerable to being ruthlessly exploited by bad actors who maneuver within the cold, unsparing logic of game theory.

Game theory can be used for good/unity, it just takes more intelligence to do so. A infinitely intelligent being can use game theory for unity better then anyone else... in fact that what the universe is doing.

Its just so indirect that its as good as invisible to a finite human intelligence. 

Edited 8 hours ago by integral

[integral]

2 hours ago, Letho said:

Great work with the latest entry Leo, its a needed positive influence on the forum and I am glad people are beginning to appreciate your entries more.

YA because he finally said something practical.

The forum has to be restructured to maximize the practice of intelligence with every post.

We should be exploring like archaeologist in the mind of god, instead of debating and talking past each other.

Edited 8 hours ago by integral

[Nilsi]

18 minutes ago, integral said:

Game theory can be used for good/unity, it just takes more intelligence to do so. A infinitely intelligent being can use game theory for unity better then anyone else... in fact that what the universe is doing.

No, it can't.

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game theory

/ˈɡeɪm ˌθɪəri/

the branch of mathematics concerned with the analysis of strategies for dealing with competitive situations where the outcome of a participant's choice of action depends critically on the actions of other participants.

Game theory is fundamentally about maximizing advantage with complete disregard for the well-being of others; it stands in direct opposition to any notion of goodness or unity. And, surprise, surprise - the world operates on game theory.

All this talk of infinite intelligence, unity, and goodness may sound profound - and it truly is, perhaps the most profound experience one can have. But it is always fleeting, a mere glimpse. This state cannot be sustained permanently in this life, because doing so would inevitably lead to being exploited, betrayed, and ultimately destroyed. Has the story of Jesus taught us nothing?

[Nilsi]

9 minutes ago, Nilsi said:

No, it can't.

Game theory is fundamentally about maximizing advantage with complete disregard for the well-being of others; it stands in direct opposition to any notion of goodness or unity. And, surprise, surprise - the world operates on game theory.

All this talk of infinite intelligence, unity, and goodness may sound profound - and it truly is, perhaps the most profound experience one can have. But it is always fleeting, a mere glimpse. This state cannot be sustained permanently in this life, because doing so would inevitably lead to being exploited, betrayed, and ultimately destroyed. Has the story of Jesus taught us nothing?

No amount of mental gymnastics about cooperation or enlightened self-interest will alter this fundamental truth. The presence of even a single bad actor - one seed of selfishness in the fabric of existence - inevitably collapses the entire system back into a molochian trap of predation, where survival is dictated by force, deception, and ruthlessness. 

I’m not saying it’s just or fair, but this is the brutal logic of reality. You can choose to be a martyr or a predator, but don’t delude yourself into thinking there’s any other option that isn’t built on wishful thinking and self-deception.

Edited 7 hours ago by Nilsi

[Nemo28]

When I read his new post on Intelligence it was like reading a gospel of the good news. For the past years I am/was in dark place and recently started to journal my thoughts to make sense of this new life. I was also writing similar things like need to aligning my little intelligence/heart with the Universal Intelligence/Heart to feel more flow and connection, not worrying if my decision was correct or not, but to simple act out of spontaneity which seems to be the most intelligence act.

[Letho]

@Nilsi You're misinterpreting the definition, moreover the cognitive boundaries of game theory are fundamentally determined by the frameworks of your interpretation and their alignment with the actual limits of game theory as opposed to an intellectual culture on the subject. 

29 minutes ago, integral said:

YA because he finally said something practical.

The forum has to be restructured to maximize the practice of intelligence with every post.

We should be exploring like archaeologist in the mind of god, instead of debating and talking past each other.

Broadly speaking, the forum as its own 'cognitive unit' is still at a very childlike stage of development and with that there's intellectual nourishment however also the encouragement of fun and empathising with where people are at their unique stage. The problem with the forum becoming too algorithmic in the progressing of development before its ready is the same reason why its child abuse to just force your child to jump off the high diving board as opposed to intelligently encouraging them. So there's a sophistication and grounded levelling with these things but all in all I agree with you, however its not something I'm taking with me in preparing for the future that is evolving as I've expressed much sooner than most demographics including this one are able to adapt in unity with. At best, we can take the forum with us in our own unitive adaptation rather than the forum taking us in the reconstruction of our future; that, is a parental disaster of course and sadly, something many children have to bare the burden of being responsible for to mentor the existential aim of their parents.

Otherwise, I'm preparing for the forums future digital naked bingo nights when I'm 80. I'm working on my lucky numbers as I type this comment. 

[Nilsi]

16 minutes ago, Nilsi said:

No amount of mental gymnastics about cooperation or enlightened self-interest will alter this fundamental truth. The presence of even a single bad actor - one seed of selfishness in the fabric of existence - inevitably collapses the entire system back into a molochian trap of predation, where survival is dictated by force, deception, and ruthlessness. 

I’m not saying it’s just or fair, but this is the brutal logic of reality. You can choose to be a martyr or a predator, but don’t delude yourself into thinking there’s any other option that isn’t built on wishful thinking and self-deception.

All notions of good and bad arise only from the perspective of your ego, which, bound by its own survival instinct, clings to illusions of meaning and self-preservation. But the universe itself is indifferent - it affirms itself in its entirety. It is an infinite, unfolding dream, one that gives rise to both the highest raptures of ecstatic unity and the most wretched hellscapes of exploitation, selfishness, and deception.

Yes, in its totality, the universe is something magnificent - but within its vast expanse festers every form of filth and horror. And the higher you ascend, the more suffocating the atmosphere becomes for the fragile illusion of self. Because that self - so desperate to persist - is nothing more than a transient flicker in the abyss, a mirage destined to dissolve into the infinite.

Edited 7 hours ago by Nilsi

[Francis777]

@Leo Gura "the only thing your ever supposed to do in life is be intelligent".

Is this because if you were infinitely intelligent you would always know exactly what to do in every second of every moment, which would mean you are living life in perfect flow, aka living life perfectly. Which is the ultimate goal of life? And that cannot be accomplished without perfect/infinite intelligence.

The goal of life is ultimately to live perfectly and that requires perfect intelligence. As such, intelligence is all you should strive for in life. - ?

[The Crocodile]

I have the basic insight Leo could really increase his video output by just reading these blog writings and releasing them as short/medium-length videos.

[Nilsi]

8 minutes ago, Nilsi said:

All notions of good and bad arise only from the perspective of your ego, which, bound by its own survival instinct, clings to illusions of meaning and self-preservation. But the universe itself is indifferent - it affirms itself in its entirety. It is an infinite, unfolding dream, one that gives rise to both the highest raptures of ecstatic unity and the most wretched hellscapes of exploitation, selfishness, and deception.

Yes, in its totality, the universe is something magnificent - but within its vast expanse festers every form of filth and horror. And the higher you ascend, the more suffocating the atmosphere becomes for the fragile illusion of self. Because that self - so desperate to persist - is nothing more than a transient flicker in the abyss, a mirage destined to dissolve into the infinite.

You either rise above it all or drown in your own shit. But there is no true reconciliation in this life - unless you can look into the abyss and affirm everything: the corruption, the deceit, the horror, the theft, the bloodshed, the violation, the unspeakable cruelty that festers at the core of existence. To find reconciliation is not to escape but to embrace - to say yes not only to the beauty but to the terror, not only to creation but to destruction, until there is nothing left to resist, nothing left to reject. Only then does the burden lift.

[integral]

5 minutes ago, Nilsi said:

but within its vast expanse festers every form of filth and horror.

All that's goodness?

All that hellishness has to be integrated.

Not recognizing it as good is a lack of consciousness, increase consciousness immediately reveals it all as good.

Inject a psychedelic and suddenly all of reality is just good...

Your world view is based on your current state of mind.

[Nilsi]

Just now, integral said:

All that's goodness?

All that hellishness has to be integrated.

Not recognizing it as good is a lack of consciousness, increase consciousness immediately reveals it all as good.

Inject a psychedelic and suddenly all of reality is just good...

Your world view is based on your current state of mind.

I don’t disagree with any of this, nor with what Leo was saying. I’m simply adding a much-needed caveat to the discussion.

[Yimpa]

4 minutes ago, Nilsi said:

I’m simply adding a much-needed caveat to the discussion.

Don't forget: Your musicaI taste SLAPS!

Edited 7 hours ago by Yimpa