Leo's Blog Discussion Mega-Thread

[Jayson G]

6 hours ago, The Renaissance Man said:

@Jayson G True, he did give examples. "AI" is an example, but it would help to clarify how AI is theft, or "marketing", how is exactly theft? How am I supposed to make my offer known, in a sea of sharks? I can do my best to make it honest and valuable, but am I forced to steal to survive or is there an alternative I'm not seeing?

Is actualized.org theft in some ways?

So I meant more examples of the dynamic of theft: what is stolen, why it's stolen, what even is theft in this subtler sense... 

Also, what's the solution? And each example is quite different in nature and level of corruption. If I hide research on UFOs, am I committing theft? What if I am a hacker and give that all out for free, am I committing theft because I stole and divulged the information without those people's consent?

I mean I'm asking about Robin Hood here lol. Is it possible that Robin Hood like behavior is a net positive in corrupt societies, but compared to super mature societies it's still a net negative? Like Spiral Dynamics, where lower levels of development are necessary for the survival in societies at those stages?

Maybe Leo isn't even saying to not be a thief at all (because it would mean not surviving), and we're misinterpreting it.

@The Renaissance Man These are pretty good examples. I'm actually curious about a lot of what you mentioned as well. 

I think Leo would cover the dynamics of theft in his video, but also curious about AI and marketing as for a lot of us this will be a part of our future as business owners going on our life purpose. 

And I also think Leo is not suggesting to not be a thief as well. Theft does appear to be a natural consequence of survival. By nature of survival, if I'm surviving, I am consuming all kinds of resources from my environment, resources from other living beings, the environment, resources not even mine. 

[Yimpa]

Related blog post “Is AI theft?”

https://www.actualized.org/insights/is-ai-theft

[UnbornTao]

On 10/31/2024 at 3:51 AM, Leo Gura said:

If you are just starting off, you may not care about corruption because you just want results. But at my advanced stage I care about corruption as an epistemic and spiritual matter. So I point it out as a favor to mankind, for those who care about such things.

I'd include the story of Lucifer in your video on corruption.

Using the "fallen angel" as an analogy for the creation and maintenance of the self, in order to point out the primordial "corruption."

Edited November 1 by UnbornTao

[UnbornTao]

11 hours ago, Davino said:

Well yes. You have public schools yet the individual has to study.

But this endeavor is seen as a substraction--removing something that is identified as part of one's life. We aren't very eager to undergo this process, and many outright oppose it. This is why personal ownership is crucial. Either you intent to eliminate your own fantasies, or it won't happen. A group effort can help by providing accountability, guidelines and direction--and that's a high standard to meet, yet doable.

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I was thinking more about an inverse of propaganda.

I think high quality education is what I was looking for, but on all age groups. Something like Actualized.org actually 

Got it. 

If people can begin to consider content of "spiritual" nature, that is sincere and real, despite their tendency to instantly perceive it as cultish or weird (which may be a potential risk), then that'd signify progress. People barely ask themselves any real questions in their lives, though. But hey, what you advocate for is certainly a positive direction, provided others are along for the ride.

Edited November 1 by UnbornTao

[Extreme Z7]

@Leo Gura You forgot socialism on that list of theft.

[Yimpa]

Grand Theft Auto

[tenfo]

I recently started fishing and now I'm triggered.

[Yimpa]

25 minutes ago, tenfo said:

I recently started fishing and now I'm triggered.

https://www.actualized.org/insights/spying-the-devil-fish

[Davino]

@UnbornTao Thanks for taking the time to answer 

[Bobby_2021]

@Leo Gura Theft can happen only if you own something. 

Ownership and right to own something is really a falsehood held by the government. How can you own anything really?

How can theft happen when you don't own anything in the first place?

[Leo Gura]

2 hours ago, Bobby_2021 said:

@Leo Gura Theft can happen only if you own something. 

Ownership and right to own something is really a falsehood held by the government. How can you own anything really?

How can theft happen when you don't own anything in the first place?

Ownership is a construct, yet still, within that construct which everyone accepts, theft happens.

[mmKay]

3 hours ago, Bobby_2021 said:

@Leo Gura Theft can happen only if you own something. 

Ownership and right to own something is really a falsehood held by the government. How can you own anything really?

How can theft happen when you don't own anything in the first place?

Post-modernist defending his case in court

[Something Funny]

@Leo Gura your blog post on theft reminded me of something I heard from a twitch streamer who is an ex-pro gamer. He was talking about how in a zero sum game, taking away resources from your opponent in more efficient than doing your own thing. For example, if you opponent has a goldmine, and you get your own goldmine, than you are 1:1, and are equal. But if you take your opponents goldmine then it's -1 for him and +1 for you, so you are up two gold mines, instead of 1, essentially.

For some reason, I find this really interesting to think about and wonder how much it applies to the real life.

[Leo Gura]

@Something Funny Yeah. Interesting point.

[Basman]

2 hours ago, Something Funny said:

@Leo Gura your blog post on theft reminded me of something I heard from a twitch streamer who is an ex-pro gamer. He was talking about how in a zero sum game, taking away resources from your opponent in more efficient than doing your own thing. For example, if you opponent has a goldmine, and you get your own goldmine, than you are 1:1, and are equal. But if you take your opponents goldmine then it's -1 for him and +1 for you, so you are up two gold mines, instead of 1, essentially.

For some reason, I find this really interesting to think about and wonder how much it applies to the real life.

I think this analogy could help explain the supposedly high homicide rate during the Stone Ages (something like 10-20% of deaths). Hunter-gatherers would live in relative scarcity with little to no control over the resources they needed. Taking from others in a zero-sum kind of way would be extremely effective (plus no moral constructs around the killing of non-tribes members).

Could also explain rape and pillage throughout the ages. Way easier than growing crops.

[Bobby_2021]

7 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Ownership is a construct, yet still, within that construct which everyone accepts, theft happens.

Maybe people steal because they think they are the rightful owners of it. They don't accept ownership as a construct that applies to everyone. Everyone is for maximizing wealth for themselves.

Another point is, what's the right kind of reward for anything. You own something in return for contributing something, labour or products.

What's the correct balance for reward vs labour. This needs to be cleared up.

Theft can happen simply by suppressing your capability to contribute thereby stealing the rewards your might have been entitled to.

7 hours ago, mmKay said:

Post-modernist defending his case in court

Milordships, with all due respect the defendant talking out of their ass. 

6 hours ago, Something Funny said:

@Leo Gura your blog post on theft reminded me of something I heard from a twitch streamer who is an ex-pro gamer. He was talking about how in a zero sum game, taking away resources from your opponent in more efficient than doing your own thing. For example, if you opponent has a goldmine, and you get your own goldmine, than you are 1:1, and are equal. But if you take your opponents goldmine then it's -1 for him and +1 for you, so you are up two gold mines, instead of 1, essentially.

For some reason, I find this really interesting to think about and wonder how much it applies to the real life.

Positive sum games are rare. It's easier to rip off than going on a risky sail to find your own blue ocean.

It's the people who steal the most that claims there is enough for everyone else. Not really.

[vibv]

11 hours ago, Something Funny said:

@Leo Gura your blog post on theft reminded me of something I heard from a twitch streamer who is an ex-pro gamer. He was talking about how in a zero sum game, taking away resources from your opponent in more efficient than doing your own thing. For example, if you opponent has a goldmine, and you get your own goldmine, than you are 1:1, and are equal. But if you take your opponents goldmine then it's -1 for him and +1 for you, so you are up two gold mines, instead of 1, essentially.

For some reason, I find this really interesting to think about and wonder how much it applies to the real life.

It applies as long as you see it as a zero sum game where some party has to lose for another to win.

But that's false. We could achieve something so much greater if we'd work together as one people of Earth instead of trying to win stupid games we ourselves created.

[Yimpa]

On 10/31/2024 at 6:08 PM, Yimpa said:

Grand Theft Auto

I commit infinite theft and I have infinite wanted level. I am looking for myself everywhere. I make sex and commit crime to myself baby!

[Bobby_2021]

Colonialism wasn't strictly profitable. But it didn't had to because the sheer destruction of the colonies effectively meant that the the colonialist maintained their edge. Zero sum over positive sum. 

[Davino]

On 31/10/2024 at 11:26 AM, Leo Gura said:

Theft, corruption, super-truth, terrorism, Zionism, etc -- all these topics will have videos.

Very excited to watch them

Particularly the one on Terrorism

I ask myself how are you gonna keep up with the ammount of videos you have planned and your production rate. Given also that you're working on a course. Do you plan at some point to increase the ratio of generation or you assume many interesting topics will never see the light of day?