Leo's Blog Discussion Mega-Thread

[Leo Gura]

2 hours ago, samijiben said:

Is the answer simply "You" or "Me?" Just like that? Simple?

No

[Husseinisdoingfine]

I'm posting this as a response to the blog post about the 3 flaws of conservatism. This video below is a really cool explanation of the origins of conservatism. It came out of the collapse of European monarchies and the idea was the intellectuals observing the developments of the time thought that the idea of a nobleman having the same amount of influence as a commoner was profane.

They wanted to preserve the hierarchy of the monarchy, without the monarchy itself. To achieve this, they turned their eyes to the market. 

 

America is a capitalist democracy. A conservative is someone who skews slightly towards capitalism and a liberalism is someone who skews slightly more towards democracy. 

 

Edited Monday at 03:12 PM by Husseinisdoingfine

[Juns]

@Leo Gura

https://www.actualized.org/insights/3-flaws-of-conservative-thinking

I quite regularly check your blog posts and have gained immense value from them but I don't really get what you said this video was outstanding. 

I watched the video without taking notes or anything so I won't have all the the things that I thought about available to me right now but I didn't think the video was that good tbh. Also, I checked out some of his other videos and he seems to be a China "shill"( I don't know if I'm using that word correctly). You just get the vibe that he's either getting paid by the CCP or he does believe the stuff he's saying but if that's the case then he isn't that smart. 

The reason I'm bringing this up is that I look up to you quite a lot and generally expect you to post "the best of the best" on your blog and so seeing you use terms like "outstanding" for a video like that just doesn't sit right with me. 

If you want me to clarify why I think the video wasn't that good and why the youtuber in general doesn't seem to be that good too I can. I'll rewatch and make notes. 

I look forward to your response

[Yimpa]

[Spiral Wizard]

@Leo Gura regarding your post on 3 flaws of conservative thinking: "Leftists regard mankind as cute puppy when it is more like a demonic rhinoceros."

This is gold.

A suprisingly sobering view & funny as hell as well! 

[integral]

@Juns maybe the video wasn't that great I'm not sure but his writing on corruption was pure gold. Insights this profound can't be found on the internet.

Edited Monday at 11:59 PM by integral

[Aquarius]

3 hours ago, Spiral Wizard said:

@Leo Gura regarding your post on 3 flaws of conservative thinking: "Leftists regard mankind as cute puppy when it is more like a demonic rhinoceros."

This is gold.

A suprisingly sobering view & funny as hell as well! 

Depends how far on the left you go and what nuances.

I'm a centrist and I see society as a highly damaged, manipulated and brainwashed bunch of lost souls...

[BlueOak]

Blog Quote:

Conservatives are right precisely because they are morally inferior and mankind is too morally degenerate to act any better. 

End Quote.

Mankind's focus was more liberal in 2006:

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/democracy-index-eiu?time=earliest&country=ARG~AUS~BWA~CHN~USA~OWID_EUR

The survival mentality has been heightened in people, along with the integration of Eastern authoritarian mindsets. Leading to more conservatism. Also there has been an organized push, to reduce education levels and increase the level of dogma and religion.

I believe this is a matter of focus, more than an inherent bias, also the fact that liberal party's are ignoring populism, which I have to say Leo, that last bit you repeatedly ignore in your conceptualizations. @Leo Gura

Because both of us could design a morally inferior liberal framework. Although I inherently hate ranking morality, we could construct one based on current societal trends.

Edited Tuesday at 06:31 AM by BlueOak

[Leo Gura]

8 hours ago, BlueOak said:

that liberal parties are ignoring populism, which I have to say Leo, that last bit you repeatedly ignore in your conceptualizations. 

I'm not ignoring it.

What leftists ignore is that left populism requires levels of development that simply don't exist in America.

Bernie Sanders is incapable of winning a fair election. Why? Because people are too corrupt and uneducated to vote for him.

You have to face the reality that liberals too are corrupt. And even far leftists are corrupt.

Edited Tuesday at 02:37 PM by Leo Gura

[BlueOak]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

I'm not ignoring it.

What leftists ignore is that left populism requires levels of development that simply don't exist in America.

Bernie Sander is incapable of winning a fair election. Why? Because people are too corrupt and uneducated to vote for him.

Yes, educational change has had a profound effect. Even small changes in the early years. As you know, corruption isn't inherent in an infant; it's societal conditioning over time to change family dynamics and the culture.

Populism doesn't require anything but a good speaker with the right message, money and the right conditions. Corruption doesn't have to be more conservative; it just flourishes more in that dynamic. 

While I could argue either of us with a blank slate could design a winning liberal politician (even chat gpt could), I feel it's better to argue about putting aside ideology entirely and transcending it, but it'll do both given the current political dynamic in America for example.

So I asked Chat GPT to model three candidates, Non Ideological, Liberal and Conservative:
 

*spoiler:
In the final analysis it backed you up
 

Edited Tuesday at 08:38 AM by BlueOak

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, BlueOak said:

As you know, corruption isn't inherent in an infant

Selfishness and ignorance are inherent.

It is not an evil society that created infants. It is evil infants who created society.

Edited Tuesday at 08:07 AM by Leo Gura

[Davino]

Quote

I find that environmentalists lack vision. They are playing not to lose rather than to win big. Our goal should not be to get nature back to where it was but to make it even better. Building a new continent is a far better project than colonizing Mars. Building a new continent would give mankind a powerful sense of collective life purpose. This would be the greatest project since the Pyramids.

Loved this 

[integral]

It takes a baby 40 years to uncorrupt themselves if they’re lucky.

I couldn’t sleep last night because of how profound this is, the word corruption has been uncorrupted lol

I thought a baby was a blank slate and pure, do you realize how delusional I was????

Edited Tuesday at 12:00 PM by integral

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, integral said:

It takes a baby 40 years to uncorrupt themselves if they’re lucky.

I've been alive 40 years and I'm still corrupt.

[The Crocodile]

24 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I've been alive 40 years and I'm still corrupt.

Yeah in 40 years you're realize how corrupt all this present-day corruption talk is.

[integral]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

I've been alive 40 years and I'm still corrupt.

Right, but you managed to uncorrupt enough to shit gold 😅 (golden insights)

Edited Tuesday at 02:07 PM by integral

[Leo Gura]

2 hours ago, integral said:

I thought a baby was a blank slate and pure, do you realize how delusional I was????

Its mind is a blank slate and pure, but it is thrown into a survival pressure-cooker from day one that never lets up.

It's the survival pressure-cooker that creates corruption. The baby has to invent defense mechanisms and survival strategies.

Edited Tuesday at 02:45 PM by Leo Gura

[integral]

@Leo Gura that’s reasonable, I still think though that they’re fundamentally corrupt as well genetically. They feel physical pain and emotional pain from birth, regardless of perfect conditions.

They’re not born with top 1% spiritual genetics, for example.

Some babies are more aggressive than other babies by the time they’re one years old and they haven’t had any life experience yet. They’re already kicking and screaming and wanting and desiring and there’s nothing going on besides sucking milk.

Parental love is important at such a young age, but even if they receive it or not, they could behave a number of ways depending on personality traits genetically encoded.

You would have to change there genetics to make the more resistant to corruption like top 1% spiritual genetics.

The structure of the human brain is built for survival. It’s not built for truth.

but maybe I’m wrong, maybe somehow with perfect survival conditions and no pressure whatsoever they all align with truth and are not corrupt. I don’t know.

Edited Tuesday at 03:25 PM by integral

[Leo Gura]

@integral There is no avoiding the survival pressure-cooker. It's inherent to life. Even if your conditions are great, you are still in a survival pressure-cooker.

Edited Tuesday at 03:50 PM by Leo Gura

[Vynce]

Im getting there..

..However, there has always been a threshold of unconditional love that I rarely crossed. 
And that is the unrivaled amount of cringe in this forum. 
 

Working on it..

Edited Tuesday at 04:08 PM by Vynce