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5 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

@Twentyfirst

Ego is not the same thing as multiple weird voices telling you random paranoid things.

Right but ego is one weird voice telling you random things. So remove the multiple and the paranoia. Would you agree on that. If so, is mental illness just ego multiplied with itself 

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I tend to imagine in my minds eye scenarios, people talking and just thinking generally and specifically, but I do tend to talk aloud. Not loudly but I start talking to my self, but it's the people and situations in my mind that I am being and it's like I'm playing chess with myself imagining vividly other people and worlds.

What is this? I don't weird people out and I let this happen when no one is around. I don't mind being alone because I can hallucinate other people and talk.

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1 hour ago, Twentyfirst said:

Right but ego is one weird voice telling you random things.

It's like you're confusing a working fireplace with a raging house fire.

Or a garden sprinkler with a busted fire hydrant.

xD

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Science experiment, take a group of schizophrenics put them in a 100% clean environment and see if that makes any difference

Somehow, no one has ever thought to do this

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18 minutes ago, integral said:

Somehow, no one has ever thought to do this

Because it probably won't help them much.

You don't think mental wards are clean?

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39 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Because it probably won't help them much.

You don't think mental wards are clean?

No, they’re inhaling laundry detergent nonstop, which in my case causes hallucinations, and thousands of voices in my head.

There is a massive epistemic Blindspot

They’re cloths have laundry detergent. They’re using cleaning products everywhere throughout the entire building, on the floors, the sheets, pillows, the workers use perfume… air fresheners are normally placed everywhere…

I feel like you didn’t really believe anything I said, as if I’m making a mistake here

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52 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Because it probably won't help them much.

You don't think mental wards are clean?

They are clean in the sense of being sterile, as infection control is an entire department that comes in and assess areas we fit out as part of commissioning. 

But clean in terms of smells and scents as per @integral's definition in relation to his triggers? No way. 

Smoking is a huge example - many mentally ill people still regularly smoke in acute adult mental health facilities.

The nurses hold onto their smokes and dispense them at regular intervals under struct supervision. It's rather well known nicotine assists in keeping these patients stable as it is a powerful dopaminergic drug.

I have witnessed these conversations almost every time we have been to these facilities.

'WHERES MY SMOKES, I NEED MY SMOKES' 

On the floorplan of a big refurb we did, there is an outdoor courtyard dedicated to this. These patients walk straight back into the ward, carrying these smells

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Allen Frances, one of the psychiatrists who wrote for the DSM, actually says severely mentally I’ll people were treated better in the 40’s then today. 

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48 minutes ago, integral said:

No, they’re inhaling laundry detergent nonstop, which in my case causes hallucinations, and thousands of voices in my head.

There is a massive epistemic Blindspot

They’re cloths have laundry detergent. They’re using cleaning products everywhere throughout the entire building, on the floors, the sheets, pillows, the workers use perfume… air fresheners are normally placed everywhere…

But how do you live life that way??

You'd have to be like Bubble Boy.

How do you expect a building to operate? Smells are part of the world.

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I feel like you didn’t really believe anything I said, as if I’m making a mistake here

I believe that's how it works for you. But I think your situation is exceptionally unique and not applicable to most schizophrenics.

But hey, if you found the cure to schizophrenia, by all means, make it your life purpose to push that up the culture and make a lot of money and fame for yourself along the way.

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12 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

But how do you live life that way??

You'd have to be like Bubble Boy.

How do you expect a building to operate? Smells are part of the world.

When you're desperate like I have, parts of your life is spent sleeping in tents in the woods. LOL

But Psychotic episodes happen from long-term exposure and it builds up slowly over many days, it's not that they need to be isolated 100% from the entire world. They can still go out to have fun and do whatever, Just that the core environment at home has to be without triggers (especially for Sleep recovery).

13 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

believe that's how it works for you. But I think your situation is exceptionally unique and not applicable to most schizophrenics.

But hey, if you found the cure to schizophrenia, by all means, make it your life purpose to push that up the culture and make a lot of money and fame for yourself along the way.

That's a good point. chatgpt: apparently it costs roughly 150k to run that experiment for 6 weeks 😭


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48 minutes ago, integral said:

chatgpt: apparently it costs roughly 150k to run that experiment for 6 weeks

Will be cheaper if you start with a group of psychotic baboons :P


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32 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Will be cheaper if you start with a group of psychotic baboons :P

Lmao actually I could introduce all the toxic chemicals Humans use into a baboon society and see if any of them become schizophrenic.

A bit simpler than finding even 1 schizophrenic baboon. 😅


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15 minutes ago, integral said:

I could introduce all the toxic chemicals Humans use into a baboon society

That's animal cruelty.


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4 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

That's animal cruelty.

Right to force a baboon Society to use Everyday cleaning products would be animal cruelty. 


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Tracking back to the schizophrenia topic directly - this is my anecdote from my experience with my ex who went through it (if any are interested):

It started with hearing odd things within sounds, and progressed steadily from there until experiencing full auditory command hallucinations. So, as an example (which he commonly reported), the sound of a drain gurgling. He would often ask me 'did that sound just like, say something? It sounds like children laughing when the drain empties, can you hear that?'. He would fixate on listening to the specific sound, analyzing it every time. It went from 'laughter sounds' to 'someone mumbling' to 'someone talking'. Right before he went to speak to a professional and start medication, these 'sounds within sounds' had jumped out to be independent voices telling him to do things. Checking the windows and blinds was a common command hallucination where the voices told him there were people about. Constantly opening and closing the blinds. Interrupted sleep to check the blinds....

The above was a similar story regarding visual hallucinations - where he would catch something in the corner of his eye. Soon he was seeing cockroaches flitting about. Shadows turning into animals - which in the same progression as above, moved to an animatronic dog that spoke to him constantly.

I had no idea how to deal with this other than to be there with him, and constantly repeat 'I know you see that L, and its real for you, but I want you to know I am here also, and I don't see that'.

I don't know what his full direct experience was like, but these were how his symptoms manifested and grew until they interrupted his ability to function. By the end he was terrified he wouldn't get his sanity/normal brain function back.

It didn't help his doctor's answer to the above was 'We really don't know, some people recover, some never'

This was from cannabis.

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@Natasha Tori Maru Thanks for sharing. That's a nice illustration of it. Disturbing indeed. Weird how it's mostly auditory.

Did meds help him?

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5 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

@Natasha Tori Maru Thanks for sharing. That's a nice illustration of it. Disturbing indeed. Weird how it's mostly auditory.

Did meds help him?

Yep, they stabilized him enough to begin coming back down to reality. Around 8 months of anti-psychotics and abstinence from all drugs 

They absolutely TRASHED his body though.

Destroyed his muscle mass (wastage and atrophy) and he put on a profound amount of weight.

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4 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

a profound amount of weight.

I've never heard fat described as "profound" before. :D

You have a way with words, madam.

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@Natasha Tori Maru He only got schizo symptoms from weed??

How much weed did he do? At what age?


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Just now, Leo Gura said:

@Natasha Tori Maru He only got schizo symptoms from weed??

How much weed did he do? At what age?

A fuckton, chronic blow-my-brains-out to escape life amounts.

By the time he went chronic with it... consistently for 4-5 months would be my approx

He was 32.

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