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[Leo Gura]

@Rafael Thundercat Makes me wanna bring a dead skunk to an Ayahausca retreat and claim it is my spirit animal.

Edited April 8 by Leo Gura

[Nemra]

@Rafael Thundercat, if you don't mind, can you recommend me ayahuasca retreat centers that you think are worth going to?

Edited April 8 by Nemra

[Anton Rogachevski]

@Leo Gura

Leo, isn't 1=1 a meaningless statement? So truth isn't even worth talking about, because it only consists of meaningless self-canceling statements like: "God wants for you what you want for yourself." (Which in some way is true and profound if you still think God is something external outside of reality.)

Edited April 8 by Anton Rogachevski

[Yimpa]

Edited April 8 by Yimpa

[integral]

3 hours ago, Rafael Thundercat said:

I understand you perfectly. In the Ayahuasca retreats I go sometimes people use this ridiculous scents, like Agua Florida,Palo Santo,Sage, etc.. of course sometimes it can be warmless but I saw some shamans forbiding any scent because scents carry information,  and when you have a crystal, DmT,Cannabis etc.. flowing inside you, any scent can affect your system via nostrils. Think Prana as the carrier of this elements. 

One day I came out of the ceremonial room and there was a scent in the air,I followed the scent and found this artemisia plant, the scent was almost making me purge, so I came back to the room and was all ok again. 

Same reason one feels sick in the road in the summer, a lot of fumes full of chemicals. If one is clean one feels the effects. 

Exactly, my sister is a pranic healer, and when I told her about my huge discovery that scent causes hallucinations, she disagreed and told me that the energy in the room was causing it and that she should cleanse my house with Sage 😭

People are so confused about what energy is that they think it’s just this magical field inside a room. When It’s the air you’re inhaling making you feel something! That’s what the teacher was telling you the whole time but they misinterpreted all of it in a dogmatic way. 

Prana is a language to help you understand feelings and how it’s deeply entangled in your environment. It helps you elevate your ability to feel and make fine-tune discernment between things.

Like if you eat a tomato, you’re gonna feel how that tomato affects your experience. And then you could give it a label like low and high frequency or low high energy. Which is just words used to describe your feelings.

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[OBEler]

@integral Chatgpt4: "There is a condition known as Multiple Chemical Sensitivity (MCS), where people react strongly—sometimes severely—to scents, chemicals, or even everyday products. While MCS is still controversial in the mainstream medical community, some researchers theorize that neuroinflammation and central nervous system sensitization are involved."

Maybe smoking weed made your brain sensitive.

[integral]

@OBEler yes that’s it, I learned of that condition only a year ago after I had already solved it. It’s hard to realize that you could develop a condition like this just by smoking weed once.

The problem was my only symptom was hallucinations like I didn’t have anything else, I had no sore throat. I had no congestion in my nose. There was nothing. I was perfectly healthy with the body of an athlete.

It’s possible the weed I smoked was laced, with toxins or pesticides, and that triggered the sensitivity

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[Rafael Thundercat]

4 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

@Rafael Thundercat Makes me wanna bring a dead skunk to an Ayahausca retreat and claim it is my spirit animal.

Well, I must confess that sometimes the smells of the humans present are already enogth. There is a strange phenomena. Mainly with Women. Somehow Aya makes the production of many hormones increase on the person who drink. Adrenaline, and the others. Some of this Hormones in Woman makes then relase a strong smell. So yes, I dont want to sound like publicity but the Eros can be felt in the air. Maybe this is one of the misterious reasons people burn copal,sage and others plants with the excuse to cast away "bad Spirits" . Maybe is just to cast away Fart smell. Hehe

[Rafael Thundercat]

1 hour ago, integral said:

When It’s the air you’re inhaling making you feel something! That’s what the teacher was telling you the whole time but they misinterpreted all of it in a dogmatic way. 

Prana is a language to help you understand feelings and how it’s deeply entangled in your environment. It helps you elevate your ability to feel and make fine-tune discernment between things.

Like if you eat a tomato, you’re gonna feel how that tomato affects your experience. And then you could give it a label like low and high frequency or low high energy. Which is just words used to describe your feelings.

Yes, even Is important to clean those black fungi that grows in the room due to humid air (forgot the name) those black stuff generate neuro-toxins that even affect your dreams. The true Shamanic Powers are Hygene. Inner and Outter. 

About the food. I heard from a Pajé (Amazon healers) using his own way of speaking or his animist view to explain food spirits. He said: In the forest there are many plants. Animals eat specific plants that support their evolution. We Man are able to eat many plants, and because of this we think we can eat all. But actually for each person there are plants and foods that are Allies to their personal evolution and others that dont. 

So for me he basicaly said the what Ayurveda teach. That we have Doshas and no every food will serve us. This the same with  Psychedelics. Of course Aya works on my body. But for my particular Dosha Mushrooms and Peyote serves bettter my evolution. Aya can be taxative to the liver, so I use Kambô to clean the excess sometimes. But even Kambô dont work for everyone. One man I applied once had no Purging. So maybe cannabis is not for every human evolution process.  Again the rule is Know Thyself. 

 

[Rafael Thundercat]

4 hours ago, Nemra said:

@Rafael Thundercat, if you don't mind, can you recommend me ayahuasca retreat centers that you think are worth going to?

Depends where do you live. Most the ones I know are in Portugal. But I have connections all over Europe. Send me Private message and I recomended the best I know. I personally do less and less and trust less and less people. Majority of time I do only with Natives from Amazon. They at least know How to Open and Close properly the sessions and know how to hold the force steady. Difficult to explain. But if you drink it in silence it still work, but with the Chants the field open better for you to do your own inner Introspection.

[Aether Phoenix]

I think I beat the odds in this case, both of my parents are schizophrenic, so my probability is really high. I was always afraid of drugs. I tried weed once in my life (which duplicated my probabilities 😲). 
Recently with with 30+ years I tried, very cautiously 4/5/6 grams progressively of magic truffles which is still a very low dose. 
I think that if I move very slowly, I can integrate some lessons with few risk, but I own that I am dealing with crazy genetics. 
I have some unusual traits in me, like becoming very energetically absorbed with things, exiting movies feeling like the main character, etc… I think that I could easily fragment, but due to all meditation/theoretical understanding of reality etc… my mind is solid in grounding and  become into present, which is crucial. 
 

@Rafael Thundercat are you Portuguese?? 

[Rafael Thundercat]

@Aether Phoenix Brasilian with Portuguese Citizenship. Live in both Countries in different times of Year

[Leo Gura]

7 hours ago, Anton Rogachevski said:

Leo, isn't 1=1 a meaningless statement?

It is far from meaningless.

A baboon does not have enough consciousness to know that 1=1.

[Jannes]

5 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

It is far from meaningless.

A baboon does not have enough consciousness to know that 1=1.

Isnt that a pretty specific kind of human consciousness?

A bee can see ultraviolett on a flower while humans do not so it has more consciousness in that regard.

Edited April 8 by Jannes

[Leo Gura]

15 minutes ago, Jannes said:

Isnt that a pretty specific kind of human consciousness?

A bee can see ultraviolett on a flower while humans do not so it has more consciousness in that regard.

No.

Recognition of identity is fundamental. It is not like seeing UV.

1=1 is much more profound than anyone realizes. It's about identity. And Awakening is about identity.

All humans take identity for granted, as a given. But what is identity? That question leads to the deepest Awakening.

Do not take identity for granted. That's the fundamental error of science.

Edited April 8 by Leo Gura

[Jannes]

2 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

No.

Recognition of identity is fundamental. It is not like seeing UV.

1=1 is much more profound than anyone realizes. It's about identity. And Awakening is about identity.

All humans take identity for granted, as a given.

Okay I see. Would recognizing oneself in the mirror count as being conscious of identity?

 

 

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, Jannes said:

Okay I see. Would recognizing oneself in the mirror count as being conscious of identity?

It's related.

The point is that Consciousness has a self-reflection function. This function is much more than a binary operation. There are enormous degrees of self-reflection possible. Looking in the mirror is a small part of that. Basic Awakening is a higher form of it. And it goes up from there.

Edited April 8 by Leo Gura

[Nemra]

I understand the following way:

1=1 shows that 1 exists by itself by referring to itself.

Edited April 8 by Nemra

[Dazgwny]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

There are enormous degrees of self-reflection possible. Looking in the mirror is a small part of that. Basic Awakening is a higher form of it. And it goes up from there.

I remember an awakening where I looked around the room and all I could see was myself. The walls, the ceiling, everywhere I looked, I knew I was looking at myself. This was so profound to me at the time that I just couldn’t look anymore. I sat on my couch put my head in my hands and began to cry at the beauty. It was becoming too much in that moment. To reflect on myself in that manner was one of the most beautiful ways to this day I’ve ever reflected on myself. And it was so completely obvious. I was absolutely everything, and I knew it. Reason I say ‘was’ and not ‘am’ even though I know I am, is because in that moment I totally recognised it, where as presently I’m not conscious enough to. Same as the baboon not being conscious enough to recognise 1=1

[Leo Gura]

@Dazgwny Yup. I feel ya.