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[Jayson G]

@Leo Gura Oh thank the lord. 

I was gonna message my ex who I didnt contact for years to consider stop taking adderall prescribed for her condition lol but if its rare I'll stick to the no contact rule lol

But thats interesting, is what you read also applied to spiritual practice somewhat similar to psychedelics like shamanic breathing? 

I'd imagine a lot has to do with maturity? if you sort of "let" what comes up occur rather than turn it into grand stories. 

Edited Monday at 01:52 AM by Jayson G

[integral]

I smoked weed once at 21 and I stopped sleeping for 2 years from intense hallucinations and thousands of voices in my head. Devastating sleep deprivation of the highest level.

I woke up every day on the verge of suicide for 8 years before I figured out how to resolve it and start sleeping again. It took about 4 years after that for my brain to rebuild itself back to a normal state.

Weed is serious and can permanently alter how your brain functions from just 1 use.

[Leo Gura]

3 minutes ago, Jayson G said:

@Leo Gura

I was gonna message my ex who I didnt contact for years to consider stop taking adderall prescribed for her condition

It's rare. It's only a problem for those who are genetically susceptible to schizophrenia and psychosis.

3 minutes ago, Jayson G said:

But thats interesting, is what you read also applied to spiritual practice somewhat similar to psychedelics like shamanic breathing?

No. I don't have statistics on other drugs or methods.

[Jayson G]

5 minutes ago, integral said:

I smoked weed once at 21 and I stopped sleeping for 2 years from intense hallucinations and thousands of voices in my head. Devastating sleep deprivation of the highest level.

I woke up every day on the verge of suicide for 8 years before I figured out how to resolve it and start sleeping again. It took about 4 years after that for my brain to rebuild itself back to a normal state.

Weed is serious and can permanently alter how your brain functions from just 1 use.

@integral Just from 1 time? Thats wild bro. 

Glad you're back. Weed also took me to my lowest point ever. For 2 years I needed to get out of my very bad emotional state and fear. Sedona method literally saved my life. It slowly got me out of deceptions. 

If anyone is in a bad emotional state, fear, and stuff, Sedona Method helps a ton. 

And Time. Time heals truly, sometimes you have to ride it out and you'll be fine, as long as you stop doing things that are causing you harm. 

Edited Monday at 01:58 AM by Jayson G

[Leo Gura]

9 minutes ago, integral said:

I smoked weed once at 21 and I stopped sleeping for 2 years from intense hallucinations and thousands of voices in my head. Devastating sleep deprivation of the highest level.

That sounds like exactly the induced psychosis I was referring to.

You dodged a bullet.

Edited Monday at 02:01 AM by Leo Gura

[integral]

@Jayson G Sedona method might be useful for people who have chronic weed addiction, because they always seem dulled and at a low state and lack Clarity in every aspect of their life.

[integral]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

That sounds like exactly the induced psychosis I was referring to.

Yes your post is on point. No one understands this about weed, the cultural perception is that it's "perfectly safe" and "you can't die from it" or it "takes the edge off and helps you relax".

People think you're crazy if you attribute weed to psychosis.

[Jayson G]

1 minute ago, integral said:

@Jayson G Sedona method might be useful for people who have chronic weed addiction, because they always seem dulled and at a low state and lack Clarity in every aspect of their life.

@integral I didnt have that typical dullness problem. I had somewhat strong paranoia, a sense of being dissociated from my reality, etc. Sedona can help immensely even with stuff like that. I realized all that is just the mind on a heavy activation state playing tricks on you, and you need to slowly love it, accept it, allow it, and give it time. 

[integral]

9 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

You dodged a bullet.

I think I took the bullet in the head and spent 12 years recovering

6 minutes ago, Jayson G said:

@integral I didnt have that typical dullness problem. I had somewhat strong paranoia, a sense of being dissociated from my reality, etc. Sedona can help immensely even with stuff like that. I realized all that is just the mind on a heavy activation state playing tricks on you, and you need to slowly love it, accept it, allow it, and give it time. 

You are lucky that it was solvable through mind alone. 

It's not always all in your head.

Psychosis is not something you think your way out of, making it very difficult to solve.

[Jayson G]

@integral yeah, good point. I definitely consider there to be things outside of that category not solvable by Sedona method. 

[ExploringReality]

I do smoke cannabis, I notice I read more when I'm not high. I don't eat much when I'm stoned I've noticed. 

I do love the psychosis cannabis induces but it's not strong enough like LSD or psilocybin.

It makes me less social and more Philosophical. 

Edited Monday at 02:23 AM by ExploringReality

[Leo Gura]

26 minutes ago, integral said:

I think I took the bullet in the head and spent 12 years recovering

Sorry to hear of your struggles.

That's why I wanted to share the statistics.

Edited Monday at 02:39 AM by Leo Gura

[Yimpa]

50 minutes ago, Jayson G said:

I was gonna message my ex

Huge trap. Will lead down a crocodile hole. Don’t do it again. 

[Jayson G]

4 minutes ago, Yimpa said:

Huge trap. Will lead down a crocodile hole. Don’t do it again. 

@Yimpa yeah 1 message alone takes you down a rabbit hole of the mind for a month before you get back out and back to your life. 

[integration journey]

1 hour ago, integral said:

I smoked weed once at 21 and I stopped sleeping for 2 years from intense hallucinations and thousands of voices in my head. Devastating sleep deprivation of the highest level.

I woke up every day on the verge of suicide for 8 years before I figured out how to resolve it and start sleeping again. It took about 4 years after that for my brain to rebuild itself back to a normal state.

Weed is serious and can permanently alter how your brain functions from just 1 use.

But why did that happen to you from weed? That sounds scary. 

[integral]

17 minutes ago, integration journey said:

But why did that happen to you from weed? That sounds scary. 

I was predisposed to psychosis genetically, at 6-12 years of age I experienced many psychosis episodes, so genetics played a role. Everyone I know has smoked weed and none of them have this problem it's very rare like Leo says in his blog post.

I just got unlucky because Society didn't tell me this was possible or else I never would have done it.

Edited Monday at 03:32 AM by integral

[integral]

Psychosis is very complicated and it's not all in your head. This is what most people don't understand. When you smoke weed you're not just in psychosis now and your whole brain chemistry is gone. Many factors are all coming together to screw up your system.

Slowly over 12 years I figured out what was causing my psychosis, after weed triggered its activation.

Weed is just the activating switch.

The video bellow is of Jordan Peterson showing how he ingested a substance and it put him in a state which he cannot control for 25 days.

Weed activated my system were I no longer was able function in my environment and my environment was causing psychosis.

So I identified the environmental issues -> remove them from my environment -> and I experienced peace.

Edited Monday at 03:44 AM by integral

[Natasha Tori Maru]

I've had a lot of experience with cannabis.

I have since totally quit. I got sick of feeling foggy, and appreciate the precise clarity of mind sobriety brings.

I do not have an addictive personality, so it was never a crutch.

I never had any adverse affects. My sister, however, experiences full panic attacks at the smallest toke. My ex, also, was triggered into full psychosis - he required heavy medication to stabilise him. My brother also has experienced some psychotic symptoms.

It is a heavy substance that isn't given the full respect it deserves.

The biggest issue I have seen from individuals who do not enter psychosis: a total inability to emotionally regulate themselves. Without cannabis (or even with) they seem to fly off the handle very easily, and are overwhelmed by emotional states. This, combined with the rumination cannabis can lock you in, leads to paranoia. Very rapid emotional cycling is another common one.

@integral So much compassion for your struggles, I stayed with and lived with an ex who went through psychosis induced by weed use. He just wanted his brain to be normal again

I appreciate the post. Caution.

[integration journey]

25 minutes ago, integral said:

I was predisposed to psychosis genetically, at 6-12 years of age I experienced many psychosis episodes, so genetics played a role. Everyone I know has smoked weed and none of them have this problem it's very rare like Leo says in his blog post.

I just got unlucky because Society didn't tell me this was possible or else I never would have done it.

I hope you are feeling better now🙏

[integral]

@Natasha Tori Maru  I'm surprised you know so many people who have weed induced psychosis. No one in my family who have similar genetics with me have this problem. 

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The biggest issue I have seen from individuals who do not enter psychosis: a total inability to emotionally regulate themselves. Without cannabis (or even with) they seem to fly off the handle very easily, and are overwhelmed by emotional states. This, combined with the rumination cannabis can lock you in, leads to paranoia. Very rapid emotional cycling is another common one.

I think this is what weed dependency is. It makes you dependent because without it you don't feel good, and it takes months of abstinence before the withdrawals or side effects leave your system. Most people can't abstain long enough and so they live in constant emotional instability caused by weed withdrawals.

27 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

So much compassion for your struggles, I stayed with and lived with an ex who went through psychosis induced by weed use. He just wanted his brain to be normal again

I appreciate the post. Caution.

Thanks! Yeah the only people that can help him are those who have experienced it and resolved it. Doctors are completely useless in this scenario. So I was thinking of making a business around this, to see if I could help people who are trapped in the exact same problem.