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[Majed]

A video on how to become a millionaire then ?

[Leo Gura]

3 minutes ago, Majed said:

A video on how to become a millionaire then ?

I will have a comprehensive video on what creates success.

Those principles are what gets you to a millionaire and beyond.

It's not about the money. It's about your attitude towards work, business, and life.

Edited Friday at 08:25 PM by Leo Gura

[Majed]

@Leo Gura Nice, will wait for it!

[gambler]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

I will have a comprehensive video on what creates success.

Those principles are what gets you to a millionaire and beyond.

It's not about the money. It's about your attitude towards work, business, and life.

How about skin in the game? People can develop better knowledge, work ethic, and other qualities if they had more skin in their success, like starting a small business. And the same with if they themselves are responsible with their investment choices. It could open the door to the person reading up like crazy, learning finance and accounting stuff, the industry, business, competitors, analytics, and all sorts of important things that increase their chances and ability to create success for themselves. More skin in the game can also influence living arrangements and current employment. If they have a comfortable living arrangement, they don't have as much skin in their lack of higher level of success, so they might be content with doing something that doesn't lead to a lot of wealth. But if they know in a year from now the living arrangement would cease, and current employment won't cut it anymore, they could be more motivated to journey on a different path. One that would be more successful in providing a better life.

Edited Friday at 09:25 PM by gambler

[Twentyfirst]

48 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

No. That's not of interest to me.

And anyone who needs it explained to them how to become a billionaire will never become one.

To be a billionaire you have to be able to figure out very difficult problems all on your own with no one else to lead you.

A billionaire is paid for his leadership, vision, and ability to solve impossible problems. No one can teach you this. Either you got this in your bones or you don't.

Fair enough

[Leo Gura]

41 minutes ago, gambler said:

How about skin in the game? People can develop better knowledge, work ethic, and other qualities if they had more skin in their success, like starting a small business. And the same with if they themselves are responsible with their investment choices. It could open the door to the person reading up like crazy, learning finance and accounting stuff, the industry, business, competitors, analytics, and all sorts of important things that increase their chances and ability to create success for themselves. More skin in the game can also influence living arrangements and current employment. If they have a comfortable living arrangement, they don't have as much skin in their lack of higher level of success, so they might be content with doing something that doesn't lead to a lot of wealth. But if they know in a year from now the living arrangement would cease, and current employment won't cut it anymore, they could be more motivated to journey on a different path. One that would be more successful in providing a better life.

The notion you're looking for is AMBITION.

What's required is Ambition. Which is different than having a gun to your head. But of course having a gun to your head can be highly motivating. But that motivation will die as soon as you work your way out from the gun.

Edited Friday at 09:40 PM by Leo Gura

[The Renaissance Man]

Leo, a video/series on more stage theories would be incredible. Ken Wilber's Integral Theory would be a big one.

But also other lines of development. The 9 stages were amazing because they focused on perspective. I feel one on the development of morality/empathy would be foundational, as it's always intertwined with stages, so it's hard to pin-point it.

Even a more sophisticated revision of Maslow's hierarchy. I find myself checking it out continuously over the years to gain clarity over my life and behavior.

I just got a fetish for stage theories. Who doesn't come on.

[Leo Gura]

5 minutes ago, The Renaissance Man said:

Leo, a video/series on more stage theories would be incredible. Ken Wilber's Integral Theory would be a big one.

I plan to cover some of Wilber's work. But his stages are basically just Spiral Dynamics with different names, so there's not much to say there.

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But also other lines of development. The 9 stages were amazing because they focused on perspective. I feel one on the development of morality/empathy would be foundational, as it's always intertwined with stages, so it's hard to pin-point it.

I will just address morality and empathy independently, without appeals to models.

I have moved away from models because they are too limiting for where we need to go. The people who create these models are not intelligent enough to understand the highest stages, with the exception of Wilber.

Edited Friday at 09:46 PM by Leo Gura

[gambler]

24 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

But that motivation will die as soon as you work your way out from the gun.

Hmmm. You gave me something to think about. So what drives people to continue to be highly ambitious despite achieving a considerable amount of wealth? Is it status? Curiosity? Meaning? Philanthropy? Problem Solving? Lifestyle? Individual pride? Innate desire to do something that attracts them to its highest level because it's what they love to do? A combination of these things or is there more to it? Some people say 30 million is enough, but when they get to that milestone, despite their lifestyle being extremely frugal, they still say it's not enough and want more. What drives that?

Edited Friday at 10:03 PM by gambler

[The Renaissance Man]

13 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I have moved away from models because they are too limiting for where we need to go

A big benefit I've found that's quite unique to covering a topic through stages was in understanding the process of development. An "end game" explanation of the nature of the concept often doesn't give it to you, at least not so explicitly.

Maybe the usefulness is only for tier 1 and the beginnings of tier 2, and then it becomes an obstacle, I don't know.

For example the video on Love, even the more practical one, can be awesome to understand what love is and how to love more, but you need an extra step that sometimes it's hard and complex to understand how it develops in others, and what are the catalysts that make growth happen. The whole stage thing etc etc.

I guess a specific model isn't even required, but yeah, understanding the development of each line can be super super valuable, it sure was for me.

Edited Friday at 09:59 PM by The Renaissance Man

[Leo Gura]

58 minutes ago, gambler said:

Hmmm. You gave me something to think about. So what drives people to continue to be highly ambitious despite achieving a considerable amount of wealth? Is it status? Curiosity? Meaning? Philanthropy? Problem Solving? Lifestyle? Individual pride? Innate desire to do something that attracts them to its highest level because it's what they love to do? A combination of these things or is there more to it? Some people say 30 million is enough, but when they get to that milestone, despite their lifestyle being extremely frugal, they still say it's not enough and want more. What drives that?

Ambition is just a core personality trait. In that case it doesn't have any satisfaction or end. Ambition means you want the best, the biggest, the most significant, the perfect. You want to be the best in the world at something so its own sake. Like, you want to be best and biggest bank robber in the world.

Of course ambition can also be fueled by various negative problems in the psyche like not receiving enough love, feeling fundamentally inadequate or unlovable, needing endless narcissistic supply, getting high on fame or power, megalomania, needing a sense of meaning to avoid facing the meaningless of life and your own death, childhood trauma, etc.

Or, you could just be driven to do the most good in the world because you want to live the best life possible. And doing the most good requires having lots of power, wealth, and influence.

If you really wanted to improve the world, you would earn billions and then use it to fund philanthropic projects.

Edited Friday at 10:55 PM by Leo Gura

[Thought Art]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

I plan to cover some of Wilber's work. But his stages are basically just Spiral Dynamics with different names, so there's not much to say there.

I will just address morality and empathy independently, without appeals to models.

I have moved away from models because they are too limiting for where we need to go. The people who create these models are not intelligent enough to understand the highest stages, with the exception of Wilber.

Sort of, but if you look at this new book “Finding Radical Wholness” it brings a LOT more to the picture. 

[Davino]

4 hours ago, Willie said:

An intellectual deconstruction of rationality sounds like a snake eating its own tail.

Yes!

More on that:

 

 

 

 

 

[Leo Gura]

5 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

Sort of, but if you look at this new book “Finding Radical Wholness” it brings a LOT more to the picture. 

What does he say that's new?

[Thought Art]

@Leo Gura Compared to Spiral dynamics?  That’s all I say. He presents a lot of models in his work and I can’t say for certain compared to all his books only compared to spiral dynamics. 
 

He compares many other developmental models side by side which creates a holistic framework. 
 

A diagram I created: (can’t seem to attach an image).

Is that a new thing? Can’t upload images on mobile?

Anyway, it includes levels, and even other human developmental frameworks (including ones not spoken about to my knowledge) side by side so you can easily see how they compare according to Wilbur. 

Edited Friday at 11:40 PM by Thought Art

[Davino]

On the power of asking questions: What is intelligence?

 

I've been feeling that deconstructing rationality is gonna be a banger like deconstructing the myth of science.

[The Crocodile]

5 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Yeah. It's an excellent film.

Yeah the Christians in that film were the good guys.

[The Crocodile]

40 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

What does he say that's new?

He's a calcified mind. We both know there is nothing new.

Here's a contradiction between Ken Wilber and Sri Aurobindo where Ken appears to be completely wrong 

Ken Wilber creates a distinction between waking up and growing up, and says growing up creates stages of increasing holonic complexity that become integrated with waking up in the highest stages, and this happens by evolution.

Aurobindo had the more accurate view, the structures aren't just evolved, they preexisted in a higher plane because imagination is not limited by time.

[Leo Gura]

31 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

@Leo Gura 
He compares many other developmental models side by side which creates a holistic framework. 

He did that long ago in his previous books: Integral Psychology and Integral Spirituality.

9 minutes ago, The Crocodile said:

Aurobindo had the more accurate view, the structures aren't just evolved, they preexisted in a higher plane because imagination is not limited by time.

That's such a trivial difference.

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Anyway, if I find a new juicy model I will cover it. But I don't know of any right now.

Edited Saturday at 12:08 AM by Leo Gura

[The Crocodile]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

That's such a trivial difference.

Well, it was enough of a difference that Ken put it in his book The Religion of Tomorrow.

Ken's version of the Supermind is like a cereal box version of Aurobindo's original consciousness and description of the Supermind.

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The sense of solidity, mass. That is perhaps what the Veda meant when it said, “Agni is wider of light, and concrete of body.” You can say that the Supermind is harder than diamond and yet more fluid than gas.