Leo's Blog Discussion Mega-Thread

[Nilsi]

3 minutes ago, Nilsi said:

I don’t disagree with any of this, nor with what Leo was saying. I’m simply adding a much-needed caveat to the discussion.

I come from shit, I live in shit, and I have endured every form of psychological and existential abuse imaginable. And yet, I too recognize that all of this is ultimately good. But sometimes, it’s simply devastating - I break under the weight of it all. And to pretend otherwise is an insult to reality itself.

[The Crocodile]

Nilsi's music taste > Leo's music taste

Leo's philosophy > Nilsi's philosophy

[Nilsi]

1 minute ago, The Crocodile said:

Nilsi's music taste > Leo's music taste

Leo's philosophy > Nilsi's philosophy

I don’t fundamentally disagree with Leo’s philosophy, so I’m not sure what you’re getting at. Also, music taste is subjective - I thought we’d been over this by now.

[Nilsi]

7 minutes ago, Nilsi said:

I don’t fundamentally disagree with Leo’s philosophy, so I’m not sure what you’re getting at. Also, music taste is subjective - I thought we’d been over this by now.

The difference lies in the implications that are drawn. Leo is a saintly person - though, if you ask me, a bit naive. I’ve seen the streets, crime, and cutthroat business; I live in this world, whereas Leo only knows it from watching YouTube videos. Naturally, my emphasis is different. My solace is art - I’m not as invested in making the world a better place. Of course, part of me cares, but probably not as much as Leo does - mostly because I don’t believe it’s possible, though it is, of course, a most beautiful idea.

I need to Lacan-pill you guys more - maybe then you’ll start to understand what I’m getting at.

Edited 9 hours ago by Nilsi

[Nilsi]

The game is not an error.
It is the structure itself - 
a Möbius strip where the hunted and the hunter
forget which side they began on.

There is no outside,
no vantage point from which to proclaim:
"I have seen through it!"
Even the act of seeing through
is just another gambit,
another move in the circuit,
another stake in the game.

You say you seek reconciliation?
Watch it dissolve
the moment you close your hand around it.
Like the signifier, it always defers,
a vanishing horizon - 
you chase, you arrive, you slip,
you chase again.

To affirm? Yes, affirm - 
but watch affirmation spill,
split, rupture, mutate.
Yes becomes yes, but,
and yes, but
becomes the wound
where the Real bleeds through.

You speak of power, of strategy,
of the cold arithmetic of survival.
Not as neurosis, but necessity.
Not as choice, but as condition.
Because the body, the economy, the war, the lie - 
they are not deviations.
They are structural.
And structure does not justify itself.
It simply is.

If you seek escape,
understand:
to be outside is to be unspoken,
to be unspoken is to be void,
to be void is to be nothing,
and to be nothing is just another game
you have already lost.

So play.
Play the hand that plays you.
Become the move that undoes itself.
See that the contradiction was never yours,
never a flaw, never a failing -
but the pulse of reality itself.

[Nilsi]

10 minutes ago, Nilsi said:

The game is not an error.
It is the structure itself - 
a Möbius strip where the hunted and the hunter
forget which side they began on.

There is no outside,
no vantage point from which to proclaim:
"I have seen through it!"
Even the act of seeing through
is just another gambit,
another move in the circuit,
another stake in the game.

You say you seek reconciliation?
Watch it dissolve
the moment you close your hand around it.
Like the signifier, it always defers,
a vanishing horizon - 
you chase, you arrive, you slip,
you chase again.

To affirm? Yes, affirm - 
but watch affirmation spill,
split, rupture, mutate.
Yes becomes yes, but,
and yes, but
becomes the wound
where the Real bleeds through.

You speak of power, of strategy,
of the cold arithmetic of survival.
Not as neurosis, but necessity.
Not as choice, but as condition.
Because the body, the economy, the war, the lie - 
they are not deviations.
They are structural.
And structure does not justify itself.
It simply is.

If you seek escape,
understand:
to be outside is to be unspoken,
to be unspoken is to be void,
to be void is to be nothing,
and to be nothing is just another game
you have already lost.

So play.
Play the hand that plays you.
Become the move that undoes itself.
See that the contradiction was never yours,
never a flaw, never a failing -
but the pulse of reality itself.

So what do you do?
You do nothing.
Nothing but play.
Play and play well.
Play and know you are played.
Affirm, knowing that every affirmation
will break and turn against itself.
Accept, knowing that acceptance is a trick.
Move, knowing that movement is a spiral,
and spirals have no end.

[Nilsi]

Just now, Nilsi said:

So what do you do?
You do nothing.
Nothing but play.
Play and play well.
Play and know you are played.
Affirm, knowing that every affirmation
will break and turn against itself.
Accept, knowing that acceptance is a trick.
Move, knowing that movement is a spiral,
and spirals have no end.

Because the game was never against you.
The game is not a villain.
The game is not your enemy.
The game is just what is,
and there was never anything else.

[The Crocodile]

1 hour ago, Nilsi said:

I don’t fundamentally disagree with Leo’s philosophy, so I’m not sure what you’re getting at. Also, music taste is subjective - I thought we’d been over this by now.

No, you didn't understand Leo's new things. It's objective.

[Nilsi]

5 minutes ago, The Crocodile said:

No, you didn't understand Leo's new things. It's objective.

That's a bold claim to make without addressing a single one of my arguments.

[The Crocodile]

36 minutes ago, Nilsi said:

That's a bold claim to make without addressing a single one of my arguments.

You didn't make any arguments.

And the content of Leo's blog has nothing to do with any of what you said, considering you don't remember or understand what the content was.

 

[Leo Gura]

2 hours ago, Francis777 said:

@Leo Gura "the only thing your ever supposed to do in life is be intelligent".

Is this because if you were infinitely intelligent you would always know exactly what to do in every second of every moment, which would mean you are living life in perfect flow, aka living life perfectly. Which is the ultimate goal of life? And that cannot be accomplished without perfect/infinite intelligence.

The goal of life is ultimately to live perfectly and that requires perfect intelligence. As such, intelligence is all you should strive for in life. - ?

It goes much deeper than human living. It is a metaphysical condition of reality. Intelligence simply leads to the absolute perfection of existence because Intelligence, Good, and Perfection are identical.

The more intelligence you act with, the closer to Good the universe gets.

You can have absolute trust that intelligence will lead you to the highest good. But the trick is that it must be true intelligence, not self-deception, and also the highest good is not the same as what your ego wants or expects.

The highest good might lead you to getting burned at the stake. But if you are seriously intelligent even that will not matter.

Edited 7 hours ago by Leo Gura

[The Crocodile]

@Leo Gura You say all this and yet I don't think you would be able to understand all the mechanics in a car engine or how bridges and stuff are assembled down to the last fastener or how engineering and machine interactions and logic work exactly.

So could you go into the relationship between that sort of exact intelligence and then the graceful intelligence where everything works out naturally, where the difference or sameness lies naturally?

[Leo Gura]

3 hours ago, integral said:

YA because he finally said something practical.

Everything I say is practical.

Edited 7 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Leo Gura]

6 hours ago, Shane Hanlon said:

What does integrating this insight look like?

Well, firstly, I am not fully sure because I only just had it.

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I am struggling to feel its revolution for myself though. Maybe I don't comprehend the profundity of what you are attempting to communicate.

seems like it doesn't change too much for me. I'd still orient towards life the same way.

It's an advanced and subtle effect.

It creates a deep sort of buy-in effect since the mind now understands the why of things and how you're supposed to be using intelligence in a big picture sense, a spiritual sense.

Deep spiritual understanding is not like a brute technique that you apply to generate tangible results, it's more of a subtle reorientation of the mind towards godliness. It has a clarifying and deepening effect. Your understanding of life, world, and self takes on a new richness and abstract appreciation. It actually makes you more intelligent when you understand the metaphysical structure of intelligence. You can start to use your intelligence in a more advanced, abstract, holistic, mystical, and beautiful manner.

Think of it as your intelligence getting spiritualized, imbued with spiritual signifigance where as before it was merely material and utilitarian.

Advanced spiritual intelligence isn't just practical, it's poetry, it's beauty. It's like your mind learns how to dance and surf the waves of consciousness. This aesthetic quality is very important and lost on people who just care about material "practical" results.

The point of spirituality is to bask in the beauty of God, to recognize and appreciate its genius.

Edited 7 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Vynce]

31 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

It goes much deeper than human living. It is a metaphysical condition of reality. Intelligence simply leads to the absolute perfection of existence because Intelligence, Good, and Perfection are identical.

The more intelligence you act with, the closer to Good the universe gets.

You can have absolute trust that intelligence will lead you to the highest good. But the trick is that it must be true intelligence, not self-deception, and also the highest good is not the same as what your ego wants or expects.

The highest good might lead you to getting burned at the stake. But if you are seriously intelligent even that will not matter.

Can you describe to me; how you’d perceive intelligence and goodness in let’s say: your chronic bad health? 
 

How do you reconcile the un-good experience of pain with ultimate intelligence?

Is that insight only reserved for non-human levels of consciousness, or do you think I would get it if you’d describe it in depth?

[Vynce]

5 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Well, firstly, I am not fully sure because I only just had it.

It's an advanced and subtle effect.

It creates a deep sort of buy-in effect since the mind now understands the why of things and how you're supposed to be using intelligence in a big picture sense, a spiritual sense.

Deep spiritual understanding is not like a brute technique that you apply to generate tangible results, it's more of a subtle reorientation of the mind towards godliness. It has a clarifying and deepening effect. Your understanding of life, world, and self takes on a new richness and abstract appreciation. It actually makes you more intelligent when you understand the metaphysical structure of intelligence. You can start to use your intelligence in a more advanced, abstract, holistic, mystical, and beautiful manner.

Think of it as your intelligence getting spiritualized, imbued with spiritual signifigance where as before it was merely material and utilitarian.

Advanced spiritual intelligence isn't just practical, it's poetry, it's beauty. It's like your mind learns how to dance and surf the waves of consciousness.

Great point: a lot of resonance there. Even though is still a new domain.

there is this channel „Daryll Anka“ who supposedly channels the messages of „Bashar“ which is an alien entity, closely existing within the frequency of God.

He says; that whenever you follow your „highest excitement“ you act out of the highest intelligence possible in that moment. It’s also crucial to let go of expectations to what the outcome of that excitement might be. And to thoroughly question your belief system, which might dampen your excitements artificially. 
 

You can look it up, he made a whole formula around this insight. 
 

You resonate with this approach?

[Leo Gura]

9 minutes ago, Vynce said:

Can you describe to me; how you’d perceive intelligence and goodness in let’s say: your chronic bad health? 

How do you reconcile the un-good experience of pain with ultimate intelligence?

That issue is solved by simply dropping all your fantasies of how life ought to be. When you get very serious about truth you accept your life situation exactly as it is. So much so that you aren't childishly sitting around wishing it were otherwise.

If you were confined to a wheelchair you would just accept it as how reality is. Just as you now just accept that you are not a bird who can fly.

The goodness and intelligence of reality is not about pleasing or serving your fantasies. These two things are just not related. So I don't even think about the question you framed.

Imagine if I asked you, "How do you reconcile that you are not a bird who can fly with God's goodness and intelligence?!

Edited 6 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Yimpa]

42 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Perfection, Intelligence, and Good are identical.

PIG!

[Vynce]

14 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

That issue is solved by simply dropping all your fantasies of how life ought to be. When you get very serious about truth you accept your life situation exactly as it is. So much so that you aren't childishly sitting around wishing it were otherwise.

If you were confined to a wheelchair you would just accept it as how reality is. Just as you now just accept that you are not a bird who can fly.

The goodness and intelligence of reality is not about pleasing or serving your fantasies. These two things are just not related. So I don't even think about the question you framed.

Imagine if I asked you, "How do you reconcile that you are not a bird who can fly with God's goodness and intelligence?!

I reconcile it by building a plane.  

You see, there is some room for realizing fantasies. 

[Nemra]

13 minutes ago, Vynce said:

You see, there is some room for realizing fantasies. 

I think he meant wishing and doing nothing about it to actually change your situation.

An intelligent person would understand that wishful thinking won't automatically make it real for them.

Edited 6 hours ago by Nemra