Leo's Blog Discussion Mega-Thread

[Staples]

Yep, God is a logical necessity! That is part of what I call completeness. Everything has a logical explanation if you look for it because in order for a thing to exist, God must create an infinite causal chain that explains it. God justifies everything to an infinite degree because it can't not do it.

Although the first bit about God seeing goodness is still new to me, I haven't gotten to that part. I'm still dark and edgy.

[The Crocodile]

9 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

It's a complex matter that requires videos.

I mean, you already have a video on it.

Maybe the video is out of date with your new understanding though.

Pull out your copy of The Life Divine. And read the chapter "The Origin and Remedy of Falsehood, Error, Wrong and Evil".

[integral]

I also want clarification.

When my grandfather died at 93 he suffered for 20 years of pure pain and the entire family forced him to stay alive with medical intervention against his will.

At his funeral everyone was crying while I was happy and content with his death.

There was nothing at all bad with his death.

I also saw everything about people being sad and his funeral as beautiful.

I suspect this is still relative goodness. So I want clarification.

Unless this is what being more conscious is?

Unless non-relative goodness does not need a reason to see the goodness.

In that case it can be done by seeing the beauty in everything as a practical way to go about it. But that still seems relative as I need to be in a specific state of mind.

Unless a higher state of mind is exactly what being more conscious is?

[Leo Gura]

2 hours ago, The Crocodile said:

I mean, you already have a video on it.

There is deeper understanding to be had than that video, although of course it still holds.

Edited February 28 by Leo Gura

[Exystem]

Thank you Leo for your two recent blog posts!!! Yeah, it kicks in
So true... I can feel the love & realize the intelligence behind it.
At the peak of some awakenings it felt like the cosmic clock (consisting of infinite clocks each striking the perfect 12, or zero at the same time) /everything stands completely still.
Perfect alignment of infinity.
Absolute transparency, infinite intelligence, the unconditional self-luminous radiance of consciousness everywhere, selfless love overflowing itself.

Your post was a great reminder. Thank you!
 

 

[Ero]

Amen to the nature of intelligence post.
The free energy and active inference principles are lenses that allow one to see intelligence from the level of particles to that of ecosystems (a la Michael Levin, Karl Friston, Chris Fields)

That is what will sit at the basis of the upcoming scientific paradigm - liberating it from the shackles of materialism and anthropocentrism and beginning the study of the intelligence of all systems and on all levels, be it physical or “platonic”. 

I am glad to see you warming up to the deep spirituality of true Mathematics. Order isn’t a coincidence. It is the logical necessity of existence.

Edited February 28 by Ero

[Unlimited]

Great blog post. Hopefully I can have such breakthroughs myself at some point.

There was a little mistake: "Chasing after views and clicks is not unintelligent."

Or maybe your message was to go after views and clicks because it's the only Intelligent thing to do. 

Edited February 28 by Unlimited

[Princess Arabia]

The Ultimate Explanation of Intelligence (blog post) is off the chain. I read every word and was blown away. Have to read again to really grasp the full scope. 

@Leo GuraWhat do you think of unintelligence still being a form of intelligence. 

The core of the message, to me, is Intelligence is at the level of being. Everything about true Intelligence stems from that.

Edited February 28 by Princess Arabia

[Leo Gura]

12 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

What do you think of unintelligence still being a form of intelligence. 

It is from the ultimate view. But humans could behave in smarter ways by applying more consciousness to their lives.

It's like telling your child that he could stop biting himself.

Edited February 28 by Leo Gura

[Princess Arabia]

Just now, Leo Gura said:

It is from the ultimate view. But humans could behave in smarter ways by applying more consciousness to their lives.

Ok. Got it.

[Princess Arabia]

"Intelligence is how the Infinite field organizes itself" is very profound. From chaos to order. From insanity to sanity. 

[Terell Kirby]

Pretty profound quote from post on Intelligence:

"True intelligence requires seeing the importance of deconstructing the self, deconstructing the so-called material world, of deconstructing all imaginary boundaries and divisions in order to apprehend and re-collect more and more dissociated aspects of itself, to reach ever higher levels of abstraction and metaphysical comprehension in order to ultimately achieve complete Unity and realize itself as Sovereign, as God."

Deconstruction is mentioned a few times here-gets harder and harder to circumvent the necessity of deconstruction the deeper I go. It's not like I can ever see outside of the dream since it's all there, therefore nothing for me to do more worthwhile than deconstructing various ideas that hold me back from embracing the dream as it is .... a dream.

Edited February 28 by Terell Kirby

[Leo Gura]

9 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Intelligence is how the Infinite field spontaenously organizes itself towards Goodness and Love.

That's a better way to phrase it.

Intelligence is Good/Love-seeking.

Like a heat-seeking missile tuned to find Absolute Unity no matter what happens.

Edited February 28 by Leo Gura

[Unlimited]

@Leo Gura do you think there could be dangers in sharing such profound stuff with us? Maybe some people just take it for granted and will never do the required work themselves to come to these insights.

Edited February 28 by Unlimited

[Jayson G]

@Leo Gura In reading all that, Im still trying to grasp "what is intelligence, at its heart". Do you have a definition for that? Maybe I missed it. I think you described intelligence, and what is unintelligence, but Im still wondering what intelligence really is. 

And Im intuitively seeking intelligence, but Im also wondering why? If one's purpose of life is to raise intelligence, why? I know you'll say something like "for its own sake" lol .. and actually fundamentally thats why I want to seek it, but Im wondering also if there's a deeper why. 

Also here I think you were trying to say something different .. "Chasing after views and clicks is not unintelligent."

This is a big idea: "Unintelligence is anything which creates self-interference, incoherence, and obstructive division or stuckness within an infinite field of finite parts." I never realized that. But now its so obvious that thats the case, after you put it like that. 

[Yimpa]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

It's like telling your child that he could stop biting himself.

Biting myself while I read this 

[Yimpa]

Leo having a massive breakthrough the sane day I got my name legally changes at the driver license office. What are the odds?!

Never tell me the odds!

[Leo Gura]

3 hours ago, Jayson G said:

@Leo Gura In reading all that, Im still trying to grasp "what is intelligence, at its heart". Do you have a definition for that?

The self-organization of being towards God, Good, Love.

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And Im intuitively seeking intelligence, but Im also wondering why? If one's purpose of life is to raise intelligence, why?

Because God needs to move towards its own completion. This requires reorganizing all its parts until they flow together holistically enough to comprehend themselves and realize Unity.

Edited February 28 by Leo Gura

[Unlimited]

Intelligence and unintelligence seem to be closely linked to selflessness and selfishness.

[Water by the River]

@Leo Gura

"The entire spiritual path can be framed as the mind’s ascent from low to high to infinite intelligence. This ascent can only go so far without a parallel ascent towards the Good. Eventually the two paths, the path of intelligence and the path of doing Good must converge into complete Unity because they are metaphysically identical."

Chapeau! Great post.

Now you got it. Wisdom (which is Intelligence as you write it) and compassion (goodness/love/agape) form the two legs of stable realization. A tale told in the spiritual traditions since the dawn of time. There are instances/higher beings (some of the Alien category you write about, see for example David Spangler) in Reality that overlight and make sure that these insights find their path into every spiritual tradition.

Love and wisdom, compassion and wisdom/awakening/intelligence (I agree with your differentiation of intelligence and wisdom. Wisdom is the tendency/Karma/habit of the soul to express higher intellience, or not), Eros and Agape, Awakening and Boddhichitta form a pair. The two legs of the path.  Higher and more developed beings (non-human, subtle dimensions, "Alien",...) are traditionally always depicted as radiating huge love/compassion/Agape and presence/Awakening/realization. Which makes sense, since they have realized their true identity with the Totality since a long time.

https://www.actualized.org/forum/search/?&q=wisdom compassion&author=Water by the River

"Anything that obstructs the holistic flow of the universe is unintelligent, including impatience and frustration at the obstructions and divisions which presently exist and obstruct the holistic flow of the universe. The highest intelligence must recognize, accept, and love all of the unintelligence it finds within its infinite self. Such an intelligence is God, Good, Love.

Such is the metaphysics of Intelligence.

When you finally understand the structure of Intelligence, knowing how to behave in any given situation becomes 10x easier, clearer, and more powerful. There's no longer doubt and confusion about what you're supposed to do because the only thing you're ever supposed to do in life is be Intelligent.

Just be Intelligent. That's it.

If you fully grasped this, you would unlock a new tier of development."

 . Excellent. Godspeed!

 

Water by the River

Edited February 28 by Water by the River