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[Yimpa]

 

Hey buddy, I refuse to fix this mistake since there was never ONE to begin with 

[LifeEnjoyer]

51 minutes ago, Yimpa said:

 

Hey buddy, I refuse to fix this mistake since there was never ONE to begin with 

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[Terell Kirby]

Religious people acknowledge the existence of God, which is valid, but have no direct consciousness of God - only beliefs that are adopted dogmatically through their religion.

To realize God beyond human constructions, religious people would have to deconstruct their religion-which is looked at as sin and heresy.

In a twisted way, religion acknowledges God’s existence while at the same time preventing its followers from becoming directly conscious of God via Awakening.

Edited February 15 by Terell Kirby

[Yimpa]

On 2/6/2025 at 7:08 AM, Leo Gura said:

There is a clear difference between things which are made for the purpose of creativity vs for the purpose of making money. If a thing is being made for the purpose of money it is already corrupt from the moment of its inception.

 

[Rafael Thundercat]

12 hours ago, Terell Kirby said:

Religious people acknowledge the existence of God, which is valid, but have no direct consciousness of God - only beliefs that are adopted dogmatically through their religion.

To realize God beyond human constructions, religious people would have to deconstruct their religion-which is looked at as sin and heresy.

In a twisted way, religion acknowledges God’s existence while at the same time preventing its followers from becoming directly conscious of God via Awakening.

God as an abstraction is easy, as a direct experience is another level of mindfuckery.

[Rafael Thundercat]

God and god

Query:

Is God an abstract and meaningless idea?

Reply:

At first I was puzzled by your question, because it sounded as though you were asking whether God exists -- but you didn’t word it that way, and besides, I know you do believe that God exists.  From previous correspondence, I suspect that you are relaying a question from skeptical acquaintances whom you aren’t sure how to answer.  So I’ve given some thought to what they might mean by suggesting to you that God is an “abstract and meaningless idea.”

Perhaps the difficulty is that the terms “God” and “god” are used in several different senses.

Sometimes the term “god” is used for whatever it is to which someone gives his unconditional commitment.  This is what we mean when we say of a greedy man, “His god is money.”  There are lots of gods of this sort:  Sex, Me, Power, Reputation, and so forth.  Since almost anything might be someone’s “god” in the sense of unconditional commitment, I can see why someone might say that the term is meaningless.  But if we ask what deserves unconditional commitment, there is only one answer, and that is the God whom we worship.

Sometimes – although the term “god” itself is not often used in this way – people call themselves “religious” because they have elevated feelings.  If, for example, they have feelings of awe when they look at the sky, they say they are “religious.”  Since people may have elevated feelings about almost anything – from the Hubble Space Telescope to the Oprah Winfrey show -- in this sense too I can see why someone might say that terms such as “god” and “religious” are meaningless.  But if the question is what ought to arouse our loftiest feelings, again there is only one answer:  The Creator, whom we call God.

Sometimes the term “god” is used for a being who has vast powers, like the beings of the Greek myths (or like Marvel comic book heroes).  Though God is powerful, this is not what we mean by God.  The “gods” of mythological were contingent beings like you and me.  They didn’t have to exist; something would have had to cause them to exist.  But the true God, as Christians understand Him, exists necessarily.  He can’t not be.  Those “gods” existed in the same way that you exist; they just had more of everything.  But God is the answer to the question of why there is something and not rather nothing – why anything at all exists apart from Him.  Those “gods” were products of human imagination.  But there is, and can be, only one First Being.  God, then, is not a meaningless abstraction, but the Being above all other beings.

I can think of one more thing your acquaintances might mean in saying that God is a meaningless abstraction.  They may mean that whether He exists or He doesn’t exist, it makes no difference; life goes on the same way.  But if God is what Christian faith claims He is, then this is far from true:

God is not only the First Cause on which all other being depends, but the First Meaning on which all other meaning depends.  Apart from Him, life is absurd. 

He is the greatest and most praiseworthy thing.  Surely something is wrong with us if we cannot admire what is infinitely greater than ourselves.

Since He is the supreme and uncreated Good, we depend on Him even to put the goods of this life in right order.

Without His providence, we are constantly tempted to do evil so that good will result.

Without His grace, we cannot be forgiven our wrongdoing.  What is impersonal cannot forgive; morality, as such, has a heart of stone.

Without the same grace, we cannot be healed of our brokenness.  Moral discipline can accomplish something, and that is good, but eventually it hits a wall.

Without the same grace, we cannot make sense of our suffering, because we cannot offer it to be united with His sacrifice for us.

Finally, even in the unlikely event that we have all this world offers, we are compelled to ask, “Is this all there is?”  That which cannot be found in this world must be found out of this world.  In the vision of His face is that perfect fulfillment which leaves nothing further to be desired.

 

 

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[gettoefl]

Everyone has religion and lives it from womb to tomb - the scientist, the religious, the atheist, the agnostic.

Simply put, it's you or it's me.

Pay not heed to what people say since the majority can't get it.

Figure out your own religion.

 

[Infinite Tsukuyomi]

Now with mindfulness, inquiry and psychedelics (including 5-MeO) my consciousness is radically different than when I was atheist. My atheistic stage of understanding just threw the baby out with the bath water. Religion crazy = God doesn't exist, a strange conclusion

The depth to which I was unconscious of God/Absolute Truth was abysmal. 

My desire for Truth pushed me through Christianity, atheism, then materialism, then ontological mathematics and finally my 'self'. 

Looking back, I realize how religion was just the first clue. It's very easy to get stuck at this stage since questioning God is out of the question in Christianity.   

The step that atheist don't take, that I eventually did, was consider that there could be a God but that religion is simply wrong about God is. This allowed me to make the leap from materialism finally to the adjacent higher perspective. 

The saving move for me was to aim for Truth (since the word 'God' is corrupted by religion) 

A story/symbol about Truth (religion) >>> abject unconscious denial of truth (atheism) >>> pseudo-truth (materialism) >>> conceptual truth (ontology, theory, embrace of paradox, ideas, fantasies) >>> Truth

 

 

Edited Saturday at 05:56 PM by Infinite Tsukuyomi

[Yimpa]

 

[Rafael Thundercat]

Devil is a marketer, he offers you Full Truth, you pay with you whole life and in the end you get only half Truth.

[Davino]

I would love to read the presentation notes of Post Modernism too

[Rafael Thundercat]

https://www.actualized.org/insights/actualized-quotes-127

In the End? So the end is near?

[Yimpa]

 

[Sabth]

On 2/16/2025 at 7:21 AM, Rafael Thundercat said:

Devil is a marketer, he offers you Full Truth, you pay with you whole life and in the end you get only half Truth.

What is full truth? 

 

 

[Rafael Thundercat]

4 hours ago, Sabth said:

What is full truth? 

 

 

Ask God

[Sabth]

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On 2/17/2025 at 4:03 PM, Rafael Thundercat said:

Ask God

This is what I edited earlier below my post 

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What is full truth? 

Flee. My truth is flee. 

I wanna flee. 

In my dream today , which yesterday I had quite a good undisturbed sleep , I saw a lot of things. - my aunt say with their child give her an update (upgrade) like what I'm wearing. I wear a x and a hijab and then there are a few condescending remarks about me and then I went to the back room which had three beds kings and queens and of course (in front) I saw a few a lot of people of different beliefs and views NYC and I saw some a Christian holding a cross and there are a few others. 

I also dream about school. And I saw my brother and teacher. She didn't wanna meet me or see me . Just greeting without looking at me. And my bro she did. 

And before that I went like around this school. Like making a round. And I saw that there are some who sold pork and many more. The school isn't I anymore. And who were left aren't many anymore. It was different thing. 

And I saw that my sister was scorl the prophet. Or , there was a time when it happens. When it's true. And today it is no longer. And in my heart I say you should respect the p. But things are switching up. 

The only different thing is that now I don't feel like pain or like being pulled like my soul is being pulled from my body or my mind. I just felt a little empty. Or 

Wide. Or feeling good or okay. You might say desensitized or that now that I am finally "free" free from a lot of things. Not necessarily good but I just felt empty. Idk if danger can be felt more in front . 

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And then after I write this even though I didn't post it they would react to anything that I wrote and will do it first. They will flee. They will do anything that I said i wanna do. And it has been like this for a long time. 

 

 

This doesn't even taste good. It taste very bad. But I eat it. So different than what I bought. Do I have to regret it now or not? It really doesn't taste good. And will something bad happened to me? 

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Edited Wednesday at 04:22 AM by Sabth

[enchanted]

https://actualized.org/insights/snyder-on-freedom

In Leo's blog post about freedom, Leo says Snyder isn't telling about freedom on the existential level. What is existential freedom? 

Edited Wednesday at 05:08 PM by enchanted

[Davino]

I seldomly watch Graham Hancock content and despite seeing what Leo said in his blog post I find it useful to understand their mind as well as deconstructing history. Questioning what happened is easier to see when others have a wildily different story about history. One may have the insight about how profoundly constructed and narrated is history, whether those stories map properly to reality or not is irrelevant although a potential trap, unless you care about history more than epistemology.

Edited yesterday at 01:57 AM by Davino

[Davino]

PostModernism is the philosophical stealman Stage Green

Whole Higher and Ultra Perspectives Exist.

Edited Wednesday at 11:33 PM by Davino

[The Crocodile]

Leo is right about New Age fantasy it's just that Leo himself is really grotesquely ignorant. Like he needs to reread Law of One, and read the Seth books, specifically Seth Speaks and understand it from his new perspective. 

There is the Leo mind which is basic-bitch intellectual masturbation, or extending a principle of human intellect to the rest of reality and creating simple feedback loops.

And then you can transcend that into other territory.

All Leo spirituality, like Leo contemplation, is still locked in this physical reality frame and an ignorant physical consciousness with an intellect thrown on top. It does not access real other planes or see energy as it flows in the universe no matter how many hummingbirds he jacks off to.

Edited Wednesday at 11:48 PM by The Crocodile